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How bad ideas get started: The “Apex Fallacy,” the “Frontman Fallacy,” and the murderer Marc Lepine

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Would MRAs still be into the Apex Fallacy if boards of directors looked like this?

So some Men’s Rightsers are up in arms because the powers that be at Wikipedia just deleted a page devoted to a phony “logical fallacy” invented by a friend of Paul Elam. According to the now-deleted Wikipedia page, “the apex fallacy refers to judging groups primarily by the success or failure at those at the top rungs (the apex, such as the 1%) of society, rather than collective success of a group.”

In other words, it’s a convenient way for MRAs to hand-wave away any evidence that men, collectively, have more power than women. Mention that men hold the overwhelming majority of powerful positions in the worlds of politics and business, and, I don’t know, podiatry, and MRAs will shout “apex fallacy” and do a little victory dance. Rich and powerful dudes don’t count, because of poor and powerless dudes!

On the Wikipedia discussion page devoted to the question of deleting the apex fallacy entry, one Wikipedia editor – who voted “strong delete” – noted that

This is men’s rights activist astroturfing. The guy above [in the discussion] isn’t posting examples of its usage because they’re all on websites showcasing brutal misogyny and hateful ignorance, like A Voice for Men.

He’s got a point. When I did a Google search for the term, my top ten results (which may be different than your top ten results, because that’s how Google works) included posts on The Spearhead; The Men’s Rights subreddit; Genderratic (TyphonBlue’s blog); Emma the Emo’s Emo Musings; and a tweet from the little-followed Twitter account of someone calling himself Astrokid MHRA. In other words, five of the ten results were MRA sites, several of them with explicit links to A Voice for Men. (That “MHRA” is a dead giveaway.)

The top result, meanwhile, linked to a post on the blog of the delightful Stonerwithaboner, who doesn’t consider himself an MRA, as far as I know. But he’s still kind of a shit, and he did recently confess to being (as I suspected) the person who was going around posting comments on manosphere sites as David H. F*cktrelle, Male Feminist Extraordinaire ™.

So, in other words , I think it’s fair to say that the term “apex fallacy” has not yet achieved academic or philosophical respectability just yet.

The deleted Wikipedia page attributes the term “apex fallacy” to Helen Smith, a psychologist who is a longtime friend to A Voice for Men, and dates it to an interview Smith gave to the odious Bernard Chapin in 2008.

But the idea seems to be a simple reworking of a bad idea that’s been floating around in Men’s Rights circles for a lot longer than that.

Back in the 1990s, New Zealand Men’s Rights Activist Peter Zohrab came up with what he called the “Frontman Fallacy,” a notion he spread via the alt.mens-rights newsgroup on Usenet and elsewhere; the term has been widely adopted in Men’s Rights circles since then. As Zohrab defined the term,

the Frontman Fallacy is the mistaken belief that people (men, specifically) who are in positions of authority in democratic systems use their power mainly to benefit the categories of people (the category of “men”, in particular) that they belong to themselves.  

So, in other words, if you mention that men hold the overwhelming majority of powerful positions in the worlds of politics, business, and podiatry, MRAs will shout out “frontman fallacy” and do a little victory dance. Rich and powerful dudes don’t count, because of poor and powerless dudes!

Like the extremely similar “apex fallacy,” this idea is rather too silly and facile to count as a real fallacy, but it has proven quite popular with MRAs. Looking through the google search results for “frontman fallacy,” I see links to a wide assortment of MRA sites using the term, including AVFM, Genderratic, Stand Your Ground, Backlash.com, Toysoldier, Mensactivism.org, Pro-Male Anti-Feminist Tech, Fathersmanifesto.net, Mensaid.com, and some others. Like “apex fallacy” it hasn’t made much progress outside the Men’s Rights movement.

What’s interesting about this to me is that this is not the only bad idea that Peter Zohrab has ever had.

Indeed, Zohrab had some extremely bad ideas about Marc Lepine, the woman-hating antifeminist who murdered 14 women at the École Polytechnique in Montreal in 1989.

While Zohrab, to my knowledge, never explicitly justified Lepine’s killings, he described the massacre in one notorious internet posting as an “Extremist Protest Against Media Censorship.” Of Lepine himself, he wrote

I bet you don’t know he wasn’t a misogynist – because you have been conned by the media (as usual). In fact, he was a Men’s Rights activist (albeit an extremist one), and one of the things he was protesting about was media censorship.

Zohrab went on to say that it was clear from Lepine’s writings – or at least writing alleged to have been written by him —  that

he [was] against Feminists — not against women — he clearly states that he is protesting against various issues which are aspects of Feminist sexism.

Indeed, Zohrab seems not only sympathetic towards Lepine’s “cause” but seems to feel that he was being unfairly misrepresented:

The write-ups on Marc Lepine concentrate on character-assassination. They take things out of context, in the same way that fathers are slandered in the divorce/family court, in order to deprive them of custody or access. …

Marc Lepine was not only not sexist, as the media stated – he was actually fighting sexism!

Lots of MRAs love talking about the “frontman fallacy” or the new and improved “apex fallacy.” They don’t seem much interested in talking about Zohrab himself.

Like it or not, MRAs, this man is one of the leading figures in the emergence of the Men’s Rights movement online, and in the intellectual history of the movement, such as it is.

If I were a bit more paranoid, I might wonder if the emergence of the “apex fallacy” was some sort of an attempt as a rebranding, an attempt to push the “frontman fallacy” and its creator, the old, odd duck Peter Zohrab, with his embarrassingly sympathetic feelings toward a mass murderer of women, down that famous memory hole.

P.S. Don’t read the comments to that MensActivism.org posting, unless you want to get really depressed.

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Oliver Omar
Oliver Omar
10 years ago

Octo, I’m not confusing cause and effect. That’s Sheryl Sandberg — who thinks the most effective way to advance women’s rights is by getting more women to devote their entire lives (!) to the goal of gaining corporate institutional positions of power.

Oliver Omar
Oliver Omar
10 years ago

Okay, thx for the engagements. Even the meanist.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Ally: thank you.

I should have said “only cares about people he wants to fuck, and these ‘identity politics’ get in the way of his straight white privilege.” Maybe?

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Well, I guess we needed an illustration of how it actually is possible for identity politics to be used in an unproductive way just to make Oliver feel a bit less sad about the fact that he’s been getting his ass handed to him.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Oh boy, a typical accusation of being too social justice warriorish. Original.

OK, how about I really don’t like being splained to and nitpicked by children with no life experience. Perspective, get some.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

“Meanist”?

Oliver Omar
Oliver Omar
10 years ago

Ouch! Maybe that’s the meanest.

Octo
Octo
10 years ago

Yeah the timing of this little spat was just perfect, haha.

And I’m totally down with supporting the great ideology of meanism :p

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Feminists are such meanies! I should be allowed to put bugs in their desks!

(Oliver, age 5.)

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

I wouldn’t want to be accused of meanphobia, so count me in.

sparky
sparky
10 years ago

“Meanist” because we didn’t immediately all agree wholeheartedly with Oliver.

Oliver, Sheryl Sandberg has nothing to do with this year-old thread or the “Apex Fallacy.” You came in here all “feminist should” this and “identity politics are tearing the progressive movement apart!” Which also had nothing to do with this year-old thread or the “Apex Fallacy.”

trans_commie
10 years ago

@Ally, I thought it was just a way to add “male” into the privileges, but I guess it could be read differently. Isn’t it transphobic to equate penis with male (and vagina with female)?

Of course it is, but that wasn’t what hellkell was doing. It’s okay to refer to a cis man as having a dick, and then to casually reference that fact in conveying the idea that that cis man is a misogynistic, entitled douche who only cares about his libido. People here say things like “MRA dudebros care about nothing but getting their dicks wet”, but that’s not transmisogynistic because it’s only about stereotypical cis male MRAs.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

You’d think he could have at least found the thread where people were actually talking about Sandberg.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Yeah, I like the idea of being a meanist.

auggz, got to say I agree with hellkell here. When someone’s talking about Mr Straight White Dick it’s a given it’s going to be about cis het guys and their privileges. The fact of it being about privilege says straight away it’s not about trans women.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Or, what Ally said more eloquently. 😛

Fatman
Fatman
10 years ago

This thread has earned the coveted Triple Necro award.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Basically Auggz’s interjection was like if hellkell had said something about thin-crust pizza and Auggz had chimed in with “hey, can we not equate all pizza with thin crust?” and then responded to the “huh?” response with “why do you hate deep dish pizza, you deep dish hating bigot?”. And this conversation had happened while discussing what everyone could plainly see was a thin-crust pizza and proud of it.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Mmm, pizza …

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

Seriously, can we trade Oliver for a pizza? His entertainment value seems to have expired.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

And this conversation had happened while discussing what everyone could plainly see was a thin-crust pizza and proud of it.

With extra cheese.

trans_commie
10 years ago

I went to a NY-style pizza place gain in downtown Boulder today – for the first time in 5 years. Everything they had there was as delicious as I remembered it. I love it when folks keep their recipes.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

In this case the pizza in question is older than dwarf bread and has been reheated so many times that you could probably use it as a projectile weapon, like a discus covered in pepperoni.

hellkell
hellkell
10 years ago

Mmmmm…NY pizza.

kittehserf
10 years ago

Like B’hrian Bloodaxe’s famed battle bread they found with his body in Thud! – as inedible as the day it was baked.

cassandrakitty
cassandrakitty
10 years ago

NY pizza is fairly thin and..? Not quite sure what “NY style” implies.

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