Don’t worry, it’s not a video BY an MRA. It’s a video ABOUT MRAs. A little cartoon, to be specific, by Scott Benson, who has this to say about it on his Vimeo page:
A quick editorial cartoon about the intersection of self-pity, entitlement, rape, territoriality, misogyny and fear of women. You see it all over the place online in the form of Men’s Rights Activists (of whom there are a few reasonable non-misogynists), Men Going Their Own Way, Pick Up Artists, and dudes touting the “Red Pill”, because The Matrix is a good movie. Look any of these up if you have the stomach for it. These are extreme examples, but watered-down forms of these ideas are everywhere.
In lurking their blogs and youtube channels for a while, I’ve noticed that beyond the standard patriarchal chauvinism there is this deep fear of women – what they will do to me, how they will reject me, how they will use me, how they are changing society in a way that does not favor me, how they are making men into something I don’t like, how they are making themselves into something I don’t like, that they won’t give me what I want, and that they won’t give me what I think is rightfully mine. This goes beyond fear of feminism- this is fear of women at its purest. And that, to quote a puppet, leads to anger and hate. It’s sad.
Naturally, Benson had to close the comments to the video because of, you know, too much MRA.
He wrote more about it all on his Tumblr.
I was alerted to the video by various people, including Cloudiah, which reminds me to remind you all to go look at Cloudiah’s excellent Artistry for Feminism And Kittens blog.
Okay, the only one I disagree with here is the arresting people who swear at the police (though like Kitteh’s said I’m 99 percent sure they
couldwould arrest you if you swore at them without the law, too.I mean, as far as I’m concerned, hate speech fuels hate crime. If everyone campaigns against homosexuality and then someone, fueled by a bunch of other people, goes out and murders a gay person, it’s not like it happened in a vaccuum. It happened in a homophobic world, where homophobic slurs were protected under the guise of free speech.
It’s terrible how men’s inherent, inalienable right to tell sexist, racist, ableist jokes where and when they want is being undermined by ALL THE LAWS.
which commenting policy was this?
/either forgot or didn’t read original comment
I mean, it can’t be manboobz because practically the only thing will get you banned here is being a disgusting, vile turd who attacks people or pumps rape apologia/abuse apologia
unless I misremembered.
At least we have the Dealt-It Act, for legal recourse.
Exactly why the founding fathers didn’t want women voting!
/sarcasm. also I think I stole this joke from somewhere, but I can’t remember where
Jill from Feministe and Melissa from Shakesville run the world, and they will impose their horrible “try to avoid saying things that might hurt someone’s feelings” comments policy on men like lensy via their army of government-funded cat assassins! You can’t blame him for being scared, poor thing.
Ah. :facepalm:
“If you fart in public here, you are executed.”
Memo to self: don’t visit Canada. Make sure Fribbie never visits, either.
“army of government-funded cat assassins! ”
I want to see this. I also want to know why Dave hasn’t confessed to having a similar army. Have the Furluminati sworn him to secrecy?
Next thing you know, they’ll be asking people to gain clear consent from people.
The world will turn to ashes.
Just once I want one of these clueless people who show up asking a bunch of obnoxious questions to actually go “oh, that makes a lot of sense. You guys are totally right! Thanks!” and go away or hang around being reasonable.
Never. Happens.
If you talk the cat assassins parachute into wherever you are and kill you. They’re like the SAS, but fuzzier.
Oh dear, I just scrolled up and saw that shit lensman is saying.
I wish I had seen that sooner. X_X
I used to work with an ex-Northern Ireland SAS major … and I can imagine a feline version of him!
Okay, I’m off. Catch you later, all!
Later, Kitteh!
@Aaliyah: hey! I’m in San Jose too! Lol, *and* I got my degree from uc Santa Cruz. Goddamn it, it was hot today in Cupertino.
I’m aware of the campaign to reform Section Five. I even bought the shirts. I am very glad that this law is finally being reformed in the UK. But at the same time, in countries such as mine those kinds of laws not only persist, but they are being expanded to include ideologies such as anarchism as potentially insulting and dangerous. So, yeah, it’s kind of personal.
The entire wall of text that was posted before was essentially a case about why those types of laws are totalitarian and dangerous, and I was immediately labeled as a sort of sexual insult apologist.
Somebody, anybody, please tell me where exactly in a what I wrote above did I say that women should be insulted or objectified. Please tell me where I specifically stated that a man is justified in objectifying and insulting a woman.
Let’s make things perfectly clear: women should be respected, women should not be judged on appearance and clothing, women should feel safe. They should not be objectified, or deliberately insulted and extra effort should be made to make them comfortable in environments that are male dominated.
Racial and sexist jokes or slurs are not OK, especially when you are in a place where you get to meet other people for the first time. It’s a really bad idea to behave like a pompous sexist asshole in front of people you hardly know and who can potentially affect your professional future. It’s also a really bad idea to be overly open and confide personal beliefs to relative strangers. That’s basic common sense.
At the same time, you might say something that you don’t feel is particularly offensive which can be, under certain circumstances be received as insulting by the other party. Maybe they are from a particular religious background or maybe they just had a bad day. Maybe it’s a slip of the tongue. There are times when you don’t intend to be offensive or insulting but, for some reason, you appear this way.
What do you do at a time like this? OK, so the Ada Initiative’s Code of Conduct has a reporting guideline which allows people to settle their differences before taking drastic action, but other “Zero Tolerance to Offence Offence” policies don’t have such niceties and immediately go for the nuclear option.
The point is this: making offence punishable in law and policy even when it’s made abundantly clear that it’s not intended opens a whole can of ugly worms since not only what people find offensive is highly subjective, but also creates a system that can be potentially abused by the powers that be.
Lensman, other people may have responses for you, but I’m just going to talk past you at this point. The US has a constitutional freedom of speech, where even assholes like the Westboro Baptist Church get to shout hateful things at soldiers’ funerals. I think it’s great that everyone here legally has the right to protest, and at the same time I think it’s awful that there are so many communities around me where it’s totally cool and expected for bros to say misogynistic and triggering things and then act like it’s women’s fault that we’re not laughing along with them. (And for straight people to say hateful things about gay people in front of gay people … etc. etc.)
So that’s what I care about. If what you care about is being thrown in jail because you blaspheme in the newspaper article you write, then we are talking about two very different things, and in fact you are now talking about something very very different than those DUI jokes you were talking about earlier.
And if you’re specifically upset about the potential harm of any zero tolerance policy, I’m just not sure how common it is that such a policy exists in a context where (1) one would not be clear on which jokes are unsuitable going into it, and (2) the topic of the joke would be such that the person would be harmed if they couldn’t address it. I mean seriously: How hard is it to hold off on the dick jokes for the period of one conference?
Troll decides to shoehorn pet issue into whatever conversation he can. Continues doing so after being called on it.
These guys need to start their own blogs.
Abnoy, I didn’t let through your long comment suggesting that we were all hypocrites for not thinking ephebophilia was just dandy. You’re going to have to start your own blog for that, dude.
Lensman, you whined about blogs – Shakesville in particular, I think – having their own rules about what comments are permitted. You whined about not being able to make so-called lighthearted or well intentioned jokes. Blogs are PRIVATE spaces. The owners call the shots on what is and isn’t allowed. And on social justice blogs, it’s a fair bet that unacceptable comments are going to be sexist, racist or ableist. What you think is fine may not be in the perception of the people the jokes are about, or the owners of the blog. It’s their call, not yours, and protesting afterward doesn’t help.
And this has jack shit to do with government, so why did you leap to “but do you support laws like these, blah blah”? Oh yeah, because your first complaint was baseless, and it was time to move the goalposts.
Poor thing, he was really hoping that he could shift from “rules at Shakesville” to “rules in society as a whole THEREFORE government censorship THEREFORE civil rights nightmare” and nobody would notice.
Been taking a mental health week from the misandryfiles and came to check if this had been posted. Manboobz never lets me down.
I found some blogs you might be interested in, lensman:
The Beginning of History: European addiction with the extremes, Foreign Policy Association blog.
The Free Speech Blog.
I found these mostly at random and have no idea if they’re good sources but I’m just trying to get you started. I’m sure if you google “Section Five UK sucks” or “Greece hates freedom” you’ll find some even better ones. Anyway, go talk about your pet issue there, where it will be on topic.
Wow, what did I even do with the HTML there? The two links I intended to include work. The bit that is a borked link (“Foreign Policy Association blog) wasn’t even supposed to be a link at all.