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Funny Men’s Rights Video Time!

Don’t worry, it’s not a video BY an MRA. It’s a video ABOUT MRAs. A little cartoon, to be specific, by Scott Benson, who has this to say about it on his Vimeo page:

A quick editorial cartoon about the intersection of self-pity, entitlement, rape, territoriality, misogyny and fear of women. You see it all over the place online in the form of Men’s Rights Activists (of whom there are a few reasonable non-misogynists), Men Going Their Own Way, Pick Up Artists, and dudes touting the “Red Pill”, because The Matrix is a good movie. Look any of these up if you have the stomach for it. These are extreme examples, but watered-down forms of these ideas are everywhere.

In lurking their blogs and youtube channels for a while, I’ve noticed that beyond the standard patriarchal chauvinism there is this deep fear of women – what they will do to me, how they will reject me, how they will use me, how they are changing society in a way that does not favor me, how they are making men into something I don’t like, how they are making themselves into something I don’t like, that they won’t give me what I want, and that they won’t give me what I think is rightfully mine. This goes beyond fear of feminism- this is fear of women at its purest. And that, to quote a puppet, leads to anger and hate. It’s sad.

Naturally, Benson had to close the comments to the video because of, you know, too much MRA.

He wrote more about it all on his Tumblr.

I was alerted to the video by various people, including Cloudiah, which reminds me to remind you all to go look at Cloudiah’s excellent Artistry for Feminism And Kittens blog.

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Malitia
Malitia
8 years ago

@Falconer:

I can see that too… and people saying ‘abandon the children (except mine!)’ or ‘Why do you take his/her brat, my kid deserves to be saved more!’ etc. and the 4 in the boat pushing out any that threaten their survival (they might have an argument about when and which one first, and surely their own last) later… or die heroically and nobody gets saved.

Yes. People are (usually) attached to their children, but other people’s kids not that much (except really altruistic people, but even they aren’t likely to put those children before their own).

As I said I’m a cynic. :/

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

@Malitia:

I used to be a cynic. It was easy. You find examples all the time of people being selfish, of people hurting other people. It’s on the news, the Bible says it’s the natural state of man. It made me feel better about myself, because I was putting in just enough effort to feel like I was better than most.

I’m not anymore.

I’ve met too many people who give till they bleed. Too many people who will risk their own life to save a stranger. They’ll do it today. Then tomorrow. Then the next day.

The numbers tell me just under 1% of Americans are volunteering with a fire department or the Red Cross. Those volunteers give up a significant amount of their life.

And nearly 40% of Americans volunteer in some formal form, giving some time monthly.

Citation on the giving. Statistics on volunteer firefighters and Red Cross volunteers can be found pretty easily.

I used to be a cynic, but I just met too many heroes of all sizes. It got too hard to maintain after that. Sure, you can write off the first hundred you meet. “They’re in it for the accolades.” The first time you actually get in the trenches with them and watch them wear themselves down to exhaustion you realize that the accolades sound pretty dim from in there.

People can be shits. But they can be pretty awesome too.

Karalora
Karalora
8 years ago

With the “equivalent exchange” thing, I think the thought process is “I’m giving her what she wants (friendship), so she should give me what I want (sex)!” The problem is that if you’re only doing it to get something in return, what you’re giving isn’t friendship at all. Friendship is fundamentally unselfish.

Fade
8 years ago

Not to mention, they expect women to read their minds. Most nice guys don’t even say they want sex, they just kind of mope around and whine about girls dating “assholes”.

Ms Getta Lode
Ms Getta Lode
8 years ago

Malitia, I would like to please motorboat those kitten bellies, one after another.

Malitia
Malitia
8 years ago

I wrote a long and kind of whiny comment but I deleted it back after I disgusted myself enough with self-pity. It was way to stupid anyway.

I’m Hungarian by the way. :]

Fade
8 years ago

Is something wrong? I mean, cuz people have ranted here before about stuff sucking in life, and I don’t think anyone’d mind if you want someone to talk to.

But if not, just ignore this. XD

I am known to be very self-pitiful when achey and sick, just for the info.

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

As a former Nice Guy, I’ll confirm just about all of the above. It is worth noting that it’s usually not as explicit at that, in your head, but that is what it tends to boil down to. There’s a whole LOT of unexamined actions and thought-processes going on, actually. For instance, most NGs can point to a long string of anecdata about women who ignore “Nice Guys” (unstated: like me) while dating jerks/assholes. What most NGs fail to realize is that they’re doing an incredible degree of self-selection (people who are vulnerable to emotional abusers are also prone to trying to find undemanding friendships and sympathetic listeners, which is what the NG seems to be offering them) and confirmation bias (during my NG phase, I had maybe forty or so women friends whom I would’ve cheerfully accepted as potential partners–if they’d been the ones to make the first move, since I was being too ‘nice’ to ask them out–but I’d focus on the two or three who genuinely did end up with actual abusers/cheaters as proof that no woman wants a Nice Guy).

Of course, I also inflated the numbers of ‘asshole boyfriends’ (the ‘two or three’ number above is in retrospect; at the time, I would’ve sworn that fully half of them had ‘chosen’ assholes over Nice-me-Guys) by invariably taking the woman’s side in a mutually disastrous break-up–which, of course, are very, very common in high school and college, which is where the NG phenomenon is most common.

Another bit of self-sabotage: falling for a girl who is safely ‘taken’ (especially if the boyfriend is someone you’re inclined to disapprove of). This immediately makes it safe for you to vent to her about your own frustrations (in a general sense, never mentioning her specifically, of course), because you can tell yourself that if only she wasn’t with so-and-such, you could ask her out yourself. This is an excellent way to evade rejection, of course, but it also means you end up very, very frustrated.

Most NGs, like myself, eventually get out of this rut in one fashion or another, but it is very, very seductive and invisible when you’re inside it, because you’re quite deliberately creating situations where the evidence supports your existing worldview. (I broke free when I realized that a particular ‘joke’ of mine–that I had a knack for picking the least eligible woman in a mile radius to fall for–was actually just about a literal truth. I started then and there looking for eligible women, found one, got to see an unhealthy relationship and ugly break-up from the inside, and realized that most of those cases I’d been so judge-y about were probably just as two-sided as my own split–then went through some more casual dating and finally found the woman I can grow old with.)

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

@Malitia: sorry for the US-centric stats–that’s where I’m from, obviously, so that’s what I see, locally.

Sometimes it’s both radical and hard to see the potential for good in people, especially when faced with awful people. But I also struggled with depression a lot through my late teens and twenties–so for me getting past the view of all other people as being utterly untrustworthy and horrible.

Like Fade said, if you’d like to talk, the regulars here are generally wide open to talking. (and the trolls just want to scream)

Mary
Mary
8 years ago

That video was actually kind of terrifying.
Awesome, but it was so surreal, and the wonky music, and the robotic voice, and the colors… Gee.
(Super impressive and cool though!)

Abnoy
Abnoy
8 years ago

Hah, you womyn obviously know nothing about straight male psychology. For a guy , a girlfriend is the next step , the evolution, after girl friend. Getting friendzoned is getting stuck between states of being for a guy who expects to level up from boy friend to boyfriend. It’s not just about the physical sex, but the intimacy of pairbonding. But womyn never understand anything at all anyway. No wonder why the joke goes that the beta-and-below guys who go to psychiatrists usually end up talking about nothing except their (s)mothers tsk tsk. And oh, those who are ragging on femra’s now know what it’s like for guys to have to deal with manginas.

pecunium
8 years ago

Abnoy: Allow me, as a straight guy to set the record straight. All you women here take note.

Abnoy: You Are Full of Shit.

Howard Bannister
8 years ago

Hah, you womyn obviously know nothing about straight male psychology. For a guy , a girlfriend is the next step , the evolution, after girl friend.

….yes, they know. As they just got done saying, THAT’S THE PROBLEM.

So full of shit.

And oh, those who are ragging on femra’s now know what it’s like for guys to have to deal with manginas.

Manginas want to take away your right to vote? Fellow mangines, did I miss a memo?

Fade
8 years ago

Hey, annoy, did you know that it doesn’t matter what some whiny guy who doesn’t understand the concept of friendship thinks?

Falconer
8 years ago

Getting friendzoned is getting stuck between states of being for a guy who expects to level up from boy friend to boyfriend.

I didn’t know the Dating Game was TM and Copyright 1987 TSR, Inc.

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

Howard: Oh, you know how it is–our Women Feminist Overlords obviously aren’t telling us ALL of the agenda; we’ve just accepted it blindly and obediently.

Falconer: Well, in First Edition, sure–by 3rd, though, “Boyfriend” and “Girlfriend” became Prestige Classes.

Yellaine
Yellaine
8 years ago

“Getting friendzoned is getting stuck between states of being for a guy who expects to level up from boy friend to boyfriend.”
I can believe that. Nice Guys(tm) aren’t boyfriend, and they’re not friend either. They may pose as such, but people who secretly resent you for not fucking them and believe you should act like a sex vending machine are DEFINITELY not your friends.

Go hug a cactus, Abnoy.

cloudiah
8 years ago

People can be shits. But they can be pretty awesome too.

That sums up my worldview pretty well. I’ve been fairly lucky in knowing way more of the awesome ones, than the shits.

Briznecko
Briznecko
8 years ago

I take my worldview from Monty Python:

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
8 years ago

CLOUDIAH – I saw your blog for the first time today, and it was one of the only things that got me through a really bad bout of migraine (once the light sensitivity wore off). I have been a manboobz reader for almost a year, but I didn’t realize all the awesome bloggery that was around. You’re a darn wonder.

I see that while I was sick the trolls have resurfaced. Could pemra be an Abnoy sock? I don’t know how these things work.

I’m off to a job interview!

Also, LOLing at “Straight male psychology”
A google image search for this reveals this:

http://filmsnoir.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/deadlierthanthemale-178×300.jpg

which made me LOL again.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Aw bahumbugi, thanks. I mostly started it for selfish reasons, to have a place to collect all the things that had made me laugh or go “wow” here, but I’m glad other people enjoy it too.

Good luck with the interview!

Falconer
8 years ago

@freemage: Oh, I thought the line had been cancelled and all the copies were sitting gathering dust in a warehouse next to the Indiana Jones RPG. Huh.

Falconer
8 years ago

Good luck, bahumbugi! Glad to hear your migraine is better.

MorkaisChosen
MorkaisChosen
8 years ago

Fuck you, Abnoy, and your assertion that all my awesome happy platonic friendships with women who make me laugh and smile and which involve, as far as I can tell, zero sexual tension are doing it wrong.

Fuck you.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

Hah, you womyn obviously know nothing about straight male psychology. For a guy , a girlfriend is the next step , the evolution, after girl friend. Getting friendzoned is getting stuck between states of being for a guy who expects to level up from boy friend to boyfriend. It’s not just about the physical sex, but the intimacy of pairbonding. But womyn never understand anything at all anyway. No wonder why the joke goes that the beta-and-below guys who go to psychiatrists usually end up talking about nothing except their (s)mothers tsk tsk. And oh, those who are ragging on femra’s now know what it’s like for guys to have to deal with manginas.

<a href="http://i1311.photobucket.com/albums/s669/HuddiBras2/KindnessCoins_zps275945ad.jpg&quot; Here, I made you a quick quiz. Which of the two paths seem most likely?"

Preston Pans
8 years ago

Am I the only one who thought Abnoy’s post was satire?

pecunium
8 years ago

Preston Pans: Yes.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

I just re-read it, and you’re right. Assuming its just satire is much more fun.

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
8 years ago

The nice guy attitude makes me feel like I should not use my personal emotions when deciding whether to date someone. However the idea of dating someone I do not like much really fills me with dread and I am not fully sure why. It is such a sacrifice to ask someone to make, to have to see them regularly when you really do not want to. At the same time I feel like I should feel sorry for them because to them not dating is the worst thing in the world. To me not dating is just not having met the right person, having other things to do and having a busy life.

What I don’t understand about nice guy logic is the only solution to what they want is for women to not have any contact with men outside necessary work unless you are sure you are happy to marry them. Suddenly dating becomes a big deal, not fun but a commitment that you make without being able to change your mind. Friendship becomes impossible. Given how scary that makes dating, if nice guys won and had their way I am sure very few women would date. I do not see how that makes their lives better. Unless other men being lonely as well is something that makes them happy.

I have a couple of nice guys in my life. I have been a nice girl before and I hope I have mainly outgrown it. Hopefully I will also outgrow the pressure I feel to date people I do not want to. It makes me feel guilty when I am attracted to someone because often it is the wrong person, not the person who has been (force) feeding me kindness coins.

Preston Pans
8 years ago

I think it was the “womyn” that did it. I genuinely thought no-one would actually write such crap and mean it. Then again I’m continually amazed by what people actually write and mean 🙁

Yellaine
Yellaine
8 years ago

Preston Pans: Abnoy has been trolling Manboobz for quite a time, which is why we have no doubt.

On a more interesting subject: Cats! And Science! Magic cats! (call that what you want, it may well be science that’s still magic for me)

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

Oh, Preston Pans, you poor, deluded, hopefully optimistic, happy individual with a good, healthy outlook on other human beings.

Don’t you know? Manboobz is where the hope for humanity goes to die.
Then it gets resurrected by recipes talks and quantum mechanics and deontological ethics.
Until it gets murdered again when Mark Minter posts.
It’s the circle of men’s rights. Death, pain, alleviation, alienation and the occasional cake batter recipe.

@Pear_tree:

Yep. Pretty much that.

Although good luck with coming to terms with the fact that you don’t have to spend time with people you don’t want to spend time with – it’s a point surprisingly often maligned.

Reading that, it sounds glib, yet it’s… pretty much the salient point here. Reciprocity used a battering ram is not friendship or kindness, it’s manipulation.

Preston Pans
8 years ago

@ Fibinachi

Ohhh, cake recipes! I highly recommend this one.

Fingers crossed for the linky thing…

Preston Pans
8 years ago

Result!

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

Caramelized mango? Wow.

Thank you. That actually *does* look delicious.

Preston Pans
8 years ago

You’re welcome!

So do you get many recurring trolls? So far I’ve had the displeasure of reading pemra, truthy, marky, some dude named first joe and now this abnoy, who I thought was making a funny. I meet a new one every other day or so.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Preston Pans: welcome! Yes, we have many returning trolls who vary in literacy and coherence, but they’re all pretty awful.

freemage
freemage
8 years ago

Preston Pans:

We’ve got some trolls who are so desperate for our attention that, once a particular nick gets banned, they attempt to come back, again and again. Apparently they can’t get positive attention from anyone, so they have to come here for mockery, just to prove to themselves that they still exist.

Yellaine
Yellaine
8 years ago

They come and they go… We have all kinds, and we have a lot. That’s because of the subject of the blog, but also because they’re tolerated as long as they don’t engage in personal attacks, use slurs,… (many people enjoys reading and destroying their ridicul ‘arguments’ and ideas. It’s like a zoo, we’ve got all king of troll species) As long as they’re not too much below the minimum human decency. then they get banned. There even is a yearly award!
http://manboobz.com/2013/01/02/the-winner-of-the-man-boobz-troll-of-the-year-award-for-2012-goes-to-mral-no-thats-not-a-typo/

Some come, drop a stupidity, and we don’t hear about them for a while. Other spend more time here than most regulars, like NWOSlave or David K Meller who wrote an impressive of comments. We have misogynist who hate the word, and trolls who are pride of how much they despise female. We have conspiracy-theory fanboys who seem to live on internet, and pseudo celebrity who do real world activism against hard wood chairs (google Tom Martin ^^) We have people who write 100 message to explain that we have no life, and some who come here for therapy (while insulting us) or dating tips. Quite a few pretend to be above all, because feminist and MRA is the same (evil/stupid/a little good, you pick) Sometimes we have PUAs and people who brag about having sex or a girlfriend, sometimes we have MGTOW and ‘incels’.
Countless get banned and try to come back with sockpuppets. And sockpuppets for their girlfriends. They often get caught very quickly in part thanks to David but mostly because their terrible at disguising their personnality. Even on internet, people know you’re a dog. ^^

Tl;dr: yes, a lot of trolls. Though it varies, the number is obviously not constant.

Yellaine
Yellaine
8 years ago

Urg. I won’t correct all my typo, but I can’t let that:
*an impressive number of comments
Nothing about their comments was impressive, except maybe the tenacity and creepiness.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

“It takes all shorts to shape the world
It takes all kinds of minds to keep the whole thing fresh
So come one, come all, to the blog of the Manboobs
We’ll fill you in on the way:

We’ve got…
[Jaunty tune]

David K Meller and Tom Martin, that’s two
Minter and Joe are along too!
And NWOSlave drops in to drop something he thinks is true
There’s Abnoy and No Name and a guy called Glen Ross
Who likes to spend time shouting “that ain’t rape!” while we discuss
And in his own points tend to gloss
over the stranger points

There’s a Pell or two or three, four – we’ve lost track, we can’t keep up any more!
Sometimes we get the Carthists and Christians and Communists
(And they all think we suck, they all wish we’d drop straight through the floor)
In fact I’ve lost track of the people who say we’ll burn in hell
but given that they’re not going it’s all just as well

Sometimes a frenchman named Brz
He’s from Algeria, don’t’cha know,
Will link to norwegian feminist reasearch and when debated
no one knows where he’ll go, and why he won’t show
us those facts he seems to be missing
and that priviledge he’s dissing

It’s a human zoo of misery
and a common den of depravity
And most of us it are all awash savagery
And frankly quite prone to bickery
dickery doo
(That rhyme sucked! Self awareness: The one quality which binds our trolls together by its absence!)

Mr. Al is a pal of the kind of people
Which other people tend to not sleep
with
And Mr. Joe is a great guy who will to his last breath defend
The rights of people he thinks are okay
I mean – as long as they don’t get too uppity about it

You’ve got your MRAs and your PUAs and your MGTOW
Who all tend to link to GWW by way of aVfM, our the SP
you reading me?
Amidst all these TLA’s we often find to our dismay that their opinion can be sum’d

“Everything’d better if you’d jump on our boner”

Which reminds me of this charming fellow, first name of Stoner, who has amazing and intricate
delightful views
on how many things to screw

Yep.

It’s a whole world of fun in the Manboobsian world.”

Eh, not feeling it tonight. Need more cofffee, I think.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

@Pear_tree: “However the idea of dating someone I do not like much really fills me with dread and I am not fully sure why.”

I would feel the same way, were I dating. The thought of being expected to get into something that suggests emotional involvement, or intimacy (let alone sex) or just continued contact with someone I don’t much like – it makes my skin crawl. I don’t wonder why I feel that way; it seems entirely natural to do so. There may also be the element that not liking someone much means there’s no real trust, and who would want to start spending time with someone you don’t trust?

@Yellaine – “Some come, drop a stupidity, and we don’t hear about them for a while.”

“Drop a stupidity,” love it. Describes them perfectly. 🙂

Pear_tree
Pear_tree
8 years ago

Fibinachi and Kitteshserf thank you 🙂

Aaliyah
8 years ago

@Abnoyying

Hah, you womyn obviously know nothing about straight male psychology.

I know maybe three feminists who actually use the word “womyn.” You aren’t being very clever if you’re trying to make fun of feminists.

For a guy , a girlfriend is the next step , the evolution, after girl friend. Getting friendzoned is getting stuck between states of being for a guy who expects to level up from boy friend to boyfriend. It’s not just about the physical sex, but the intimacy of pairbonding. But womyn never understand anything at all anyway. No wonder why the joke goes that the beta-and-below guys who go to psychiatrists usually end up talking about nothing except their (s)mothers tsk tsk.

You don’t know all guys, nor do you speak for all of them, sorry. Friendship between men and women happens all the time.

And you’re telling us that we don’t understand straight male psychology, yet you think that the alpha-beta conception of masculinity is valid? Ok. Also, you do know that it’s very demeaning to men when you say that non-alpha men are only the way they are because of mother issues, right? You probably don’t since you don’t seem to actually give a shit about your own kind.

And oh, those who are ragging on femra’s now know what it’s like for guys to have to deal with manginas.

The “manginas” I know are the nicest, most respectful men I know. And they aren’t really feminine. Many FeMRAs tend to be assholes who make many feel like they’re betraying women by pushing their MRA agenda, which is decidedly anti-egalitarian.

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

He did it, he spelled women w-o-m-y-n. Wow.

And this:

“Hah, you womyn obviously know nothing about straight male psychology. For a guy , a girlfriend is the next step , the evolution, after girl friend. Getting friendzoned is getting stuck between states of being for a guy who expects to level up from boy friend to boyfriend. It’s not just about the physical sex, but the intimacy of pairbonding.”

Is why Peart_Tree wrote this:

“What I don’t understand about nice guy logic is the only solution to what they want is for women to not have any contact with men outside necessary work unless you are sure you are happy to marry them. Suddenly dating becomes a big deal, not fun but a commitment that you make without being able to change your mind. Friendship becomes impossible. Given how scary that makes dating, if nice guys won and had their way I am sure very few women would date. I do not see how that makes their lives better.”

Fun? Chemistry? Forget it ladies. Also, if you start dating a guy — you’re not allowed to stop. I mean, you’d be threatening the dude’s idea of “pairbonding.” You’d be casting him off, sticking him “between states of being.” Christ, that sounds like fun. Why oh why won’t someone date these guys? It’s almost seems like being with them would be uncomfortable, stressful and ultimately depressing — because you would be responsible for their fragile egos, hapiness and mental health. (sarcasm off)
Fun times, eh? I dated one of these guys once. When I broke it off (which caused him to scream and yell at me), I didn’t date for three fucking years. That’s what dating an energy vampire will do to you. Dating someone with a smidge of self-esteem and confidence is less trouble, really.

But Anoy goes on:

“But womyn never understand anything at all anyway.”

Oh fella, I’d love to see the citations on that. Maybe you found it from the same source that alleges all boys have cooties and dogs can’t look up.

“No wonder why the joke goes that the beta-and-below guys who go to psychiatrists usually end up talking about nothing except their (s)mothers tsk tsk.”

Yes, see…we’re all responsible for their mental health. Let the good times roll. Shit, I use most of my energy keeping my own mental health in check.

” And oh, those who are ragging on femra’s now know what it’s like for guys to have to deal with manginas.”

Do you deal with mangina’s often, little one?

Ms Getta Lode
Ms Getta Lode
8 years ago

Preston Pans: I thought it was satire too, but then the regulars started responding and … Well … I trust them to know a troll when they see one.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

I don’t know why Ignoyramus is bothering about adults dating, or not. This is after all the troll who was bragging about having sex with children not that long ago.

Shiraz
Shiraz
8 years ago

Shit, I forgot about that, Kitteh.

Ms Getta Lode
Ms Getta Lode
8 years ago

kittehserf: oh, hell. I don’t even want to know …

saintnick86
8 years ago

@Kim: Yeah, I’d say my grandmother and uncle have malignant narcissism. They’re both manipulative and known to cause familial discord for the sake of attention. For example, my grandmother – when she wanted to have a party – would lie to my uncles that one of them was going to host a get-together, with everyone realizing later they just took her word for it and she planned it. The worst part is that she’d do this regardless of what was going on in other peoples’ lives, as if such things can be put on hold for her amusement. It doesn’t help she and my uncle are co-dependent, especially when I was (unfortunately) living with them.

My uncle would constantly get away with taking her money and stealing her car and bringing in seedy people (many of them likely dealers or prostitutes he found at dive bars). Even, on occasions, break into my room and take things he would pawn. Oh sure, she would argue about it – but she did nothing to change it (even defending him when it was suggested she get a restraining order if he was causing THAT much anguish). She would demand I give her money because my uncle had drained her account and, since he rarely answered her calls and refused to talk to her in person most of the time, she took all that frustration out on me. She’d yell and call me horrific names out of nowhere and it greatly frustrated me – since I actually bothered to help her out. Even when I drove her around for errands and pretty much proved to be more reliable than my uncle (who would spend days in a crack-induced hibernation), she would have freak-outs about me using the car whenever I wanted to go somewhere close by myself. She’d call asking where I was and what was happening…even though I would tell her right before I left. She even ruined an evening with friends because she continuously called me until I brought her car back. This is also around the same time when my dad got one of his old cars back (a family friend was borrowing it as he was visiting from Brazil), my uncle drove is barely a block before getting the entire side scratched.

As of now, a “friend” of my uncle stole my grandma’s car and totaled it as well as said uncle – under the delusion he’s some master carpenter – cutting the phone line due to his incompetence. What makes me grind my teeth is the fact my cats who live there had gone without food for several days at one point, all because he “didn’t feel like” going to the market. He’s an utter piece of shit yet my grandma continues to enable him, even as he destroys her possession. I’m really glad I moved out and went as far north as I could get (I’m at the state border) because nothing I do seemed to improve anything and at one point I planned to commit suicide because I couldn’t stand it anymore. Thankfully I didn’t, but neither of them even considered the fact their behavior caused me to do such.