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The Feminist Hegemony will destroy your hard drive, and other things I learned from Erin Pizzey’s return visit to Reddit

Be vewy quiet! Most men wive wives of quiet desperwation.
Be vewy quiet! Most men wive wives of quiet desperwation.

Two weeks ago, you may recall, antifeminist crusader and recent A Voice for Men recruit Erin Pizzey made an “Ask Me Anything” appearance on Reddit which was a rousing success, at least by the standards of Reddit and the Men’s Rights movement. (By the standards of logic and ordinary human decency, not so much.) This Saturday, she gave a sort of encore.

Here are some of the interesting things I learned from her latest three-hour appearance. (I haven’t read all thousand-plus comments in the thread; this is based solely on what she herself said. Click on the headlines to see her original comments in their entirety, in context.) Her comments are, as always, models of good sense and lucidity.

Feminism should be banned as a hate movement because … some feminists allegedly think criticism of feminism should be banned?

Ban feminists from government perhaps! Personally, I think, I would describe feminism, and I have fought for 40 years to publicize the damage that they were doing to family life and men and boys. To me, to condemn men as sole perpetrators of all or almost all atrocities in this world, feminists are a hate movement. I say this because just recently Sweden, Norway, and I think Finland are trying to bring in a law in those countries that will make any criticism of feminism a punishable offense. That is not the action of a movement dedicated to equality and freedom of speech for all, it is totalitarianism.

If Erin Pizzey ever offers to split a piece of  cake with you, and is about to cut it in half, make sure you get to choose which half you get:

As far as I’m concerned, a sufficient amount of women have reached boardrooms and many of them publicly have said that they prefer a quality of life which includes family time, which for women in many ways is more important because we, in the long term, through our children and grandchildren. Men, as they climb up the steps to fame and fortune define themselves by how well they can take care of their wives and children. Different lifestyles, different goals, very few women want to spend the time and the total energy in making that high-achieving career lifestyle.

According to the most recent Catalyst survey, only 16.6% of Fortune 500 board members are women, and an even smaller percentage (14.3%) are CEOs. That’s a very strange notion of equality you have there, Ms. Pizzey.

Though she claims to work on behalf of men, she doesn’t seem to think that highly of many of them. Oh, and she seems a little delusional about what feminism is, but I guess we already knew that.

So many men are lickspittles. Often in my travels when I’m speaking, I have asked men, informally, why they would never stand up to women who were devoted to the idea of a world without men. The honest answer was they were too dependent on having relationships with women to stand up for what they believed. …

I think most men live lives of quiet desperation–that’s a quote, I can’t remember who said it but it’s true.

I believe that was Elmer Fudd.

Wait, no, he said something about hunting wabbits. No idea, then. Who could have Thoreau-n such an idea around? Walden you like to know?

Men Going Their Own Way have some darn sensible ideas about the world, and women need to watch out because men have given themselves the Right to Date:

I’m not surprised that men are going their own way. Why would any sane man want to risk losing his property, his relationship with his wife, his financial stability, the children that he will be deprived of… at the moment, men don’t have any rights in this area. In England, Harriet Harman and her very powerful harpies are trying to bring in a law that will mean a woman has only got to live with a man for a very short period of time before she’s entitled to exactly the same amount of money and power that is given to married women. That’s already happened in Australia and Canada too!

I am constantly in the company of women in their late 30s and 40s who after choosing a career have decided they want children and marriage. I have to regretfully inform them that the present climate against men, they are very unlikely to have a relationship with a man and will probably never have children.

It’s true. Nowhere is the problem more noticeable than Los Angeles, by the way, where men give themselves the right to date (meaning, they can have sex with as many women as they want at the same time)… very sad situation, but, why would they do anything else? The legal system can destroy them if they commit to a relationship.

The Feminist Hegemony will fuck up your hard drive:

I did manage to get exactly one paper published, decades after the fact, on the surveys I did of the first 100 women in my Refuge. Just one, in a tiny journal. … But the feminist hegemony has worked hard to keep work like this out of the public eye.

They actually destroyed the hard disk of Professor Viano from Washington University when he tried to publish some of this work.

[citation needed]

For what it’s worth, there doesn’t seem to be anyone named Viano associated with Washington University in St. Louis (aside from a physics professor who got her PhD there), nor, for that matter, with George Washington University in Washington DC.

There is an actual Professor Emilio Viano who teaches at American University’s School of Public Affairs and is an adjunct professor of law at the Washington College of Law, and he’s written about violence and victimology so perhaps he is the man Pizzey is referring to. There is, however,  no evidence I can find online that anyone, much less the “feminist hegemony,” has ever destroyed his hard drive, and he seems to have published extensively and had what looks like a pretty successful academic career without any obvious hindrance from the evil femlords.

I did find a news article in which Viano is quoted about a case in which the FBI secretly got its hands on the hard drive of one of its agents suspected of selling secrets to the Russians, but 1) that wasn’t Viano’s hard drive and 2) I’m pretty sure the Feminist Hegemony had nothing to do with that, as it was never discussed at any of our meetings that I can recall, though admittedly I spent most of our meetings eating the complementary bon-bons and playing with the cats.

I eagerly await Ms. Pizzey’s clarification of her assertions about the mysterious “Professor Viano from Washington University” and his “hard disk.”

The last little lesson I learned from Pizzey’s appearance:

An appropriate and hilarious response to the trolly question “what type of breading and/or egg wash do you use for battered women?” is:

Fried food gives me indigestion.

This from a woman who claims to care about victims of domestic violence, and whose biggest claim to fame is that she was the founder of one of the first DV shelters for women. Evidently when you spend a lot of time in the company of Men’s Rights Activists, jokes about “battered women” are just part of the landscape.

Ms. Pizzey, might I suggest that if you indeed suffer from any sort of digestive problem it might just be because you are full of shit?

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Smudgyglasses
Smudgyglasses
11 years ago

The collectivist attitude among so many MRAs and notably Erin Pizzey is revolting. Down with individuality! We can’t have the society we want with you running around doing what you want with your lives!

Aaliyah
11 years ago

She’s such a disgrace to anti-abuse advocacy.

Collects_Caps
Collects_Caps
11 years ago

It’s not her fault, really. Pizzey is clearly a being from an alternate dimension in which the matriarchy rules everything; after being sent through a wormhole into our world, she has continued her campaign, ignorant of the actual social status of women.

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

I’d have to go back and check the minutes, but wasn’t that the same meeting where we decided to extend The Vast Fem-Wing Conspiracy Over Language via insistence on proper spelling and punctuation?

genderneutrallanguage
11 years ago

Pizzey opened the first battered women’s shelter. She received lots of support to do this. Once she opened the shelter, she realized there was a need for battered men’s shelters as well, and tried to open one. As far as anti-abuse and equality goes, you will be hard pressed to find someone better than Pizzey. The only real fault you found with her beliefs is that she supports equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

Aaliyah
11 years ago

The only real fault you found with her beliefs is that she supports equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

Yup. The reason we find her last quote (among other things) disgusting is only because we don’t like her support of equality of opportunity. That makes so much sense. We don’t have any valid criticisms of her. She’s just perfect.

Thank you for enlightening us, The Egalitarian One.

Steph
Steph
11 years ago

So disappointing. Pizzey was a personal hero of mine when I was growing up because of her fight for DV shelters over here in the UK. Can’t quite believe what she is saying now – just doesn’t make any sense. How can you go from supporting victims of DV to saying such crap?

Shadow
Shadow
11 years ago

As far as anti-abuse and equality goes, you will be hard pressed to find someone better than Pizzey

YOU might, but those of us that don’t indulge in the stupidity that is the MRM find it MUCH easier

bahumbugi
11 years ago

I am really curious about how her …err…viewpoints evolved over time.

Rosie
11 years ago

Reblogged this on FEMBORG.

Alex
11 years ago

She is a rather odd sort of person, isn’t she?

cloudiah
11 years ago

It’s not really supporting equality of opportunity when you blather on about how women don’t really want jobs where they have to work hard because women are just better at being mothers and NOT working hard, and you know, everyone knows that, and that’s the only reason there are so few women in those jobs, because women lack ambition, so …

Malitia
Malitia
11 years ago

In the name of my single mother, who managed to rise to middle management position all by her own and my three (not-blood related) grandmothers, who worked and cared for their families all their lives I feel offended by this woman.

But I’m Hungarian, as from a former communist country (and now… I don’t know what, maybe the place that doesn’t learn from the past) so what do I know? :/

gillyrosebee
gillyrosebee
11 years ago

@ genderneutrallanguage

The only real fault you found with her beliefs is that she supports equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.

Not even remotely. I can’t speak for anyone else, but the fault I find with her is that she supposedly cares so much about the health and well being of domestic violence victims, but she’s thinks it’s just OMG SO FUNNY! to joke about them being cooked and eaten (or not, because, you know, she has a sensitive digestive system).

I think you’ll find that making sure there are sufficient shelters for people trying to leave abusive relationships and situations is a pretty uncontroversial idea here.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

As far as I’m concerned, a sufficient amount of women have reached boardrooms and many of them publicly have said that they prefer a quality of life which includes family time, which for women in many ways is more important because we, in the long term, through our children and grandchildren.

Oh, Erin, why should anyone listen to a writer whose mind has deteriorated to the point where she can vomit up that abomination of a sentence and not notice that it’s missing an ending?

Alex
11 years ago

She has SO many sentences like that. Erin, what are you trying to say? FINISH IT.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

( GRAMMATICALITY )

TomBcat
TomBcat
11 years ago

On Friday I was informed that I got my dream job. But obviously I have to decline since biology dictates that instead I want to make babies and stuff.

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

As far as she’s concerned. Well then, I suppose the discussion’s over. No need to listen to all the women who are fighting to tear down the social obstacles she’s working so hard to maintain for them, keeping them in subservient, low earning roles or unemployed and dependent.

You can leave an abusive relationship, sure, but be primary income earners and work in male-dominated industries and positions? Naw. You should be barefoot and pregnant. It’s what you really want.

TomBcat
TomBcat
11 years ago

Does she mean that women live through their children and grandchildren?
Yeah, sounds healthy to me.

marinerachel
marinerachel
11 years ago

Pursuing your own goals is dumb. Make babies instead and maybe they’ll do it for you.

lensman (@l3nsman)
11 years ago

The “Millions of men live lives of quiet desperation” was said by Bill Maher…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iHCfuRWIQ (relevant part after 2:40)

If you don’t feel like watching the clip, the full quote goes something like this:

“I understand women suffer, but I don’t think it’s as much publicized that a lot of men in America are living lives of quiet desperation, lobotomized of their libido, anesthitizing themselves with sports and pornography, and living in an orwellian world where they have to pretend to concur to a woman’s point of view (…) (Men) have to pretend to believe because it’s easier to nod than live in the Doghouse.”

No, there is no empirical evidence that what he says is true. I may be one of those men, but this isn’t indicative of how prevalent this phenomenon is.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Man, she’s pissed that the feminists she worked with back in the day didn’t kiss her ass enough. I’m sure she’s totally not a complete assache to deal with. Her hard-on for feminism read like the sourest of grapes.

Her and Elam are perfect for each other. If there’s a hell, I hope they both rot there.

Cthulhu's Intern
11 years ago

@hellkell, Actually, I don’t think that even they deserve to go to a hell. Remember, that’s eternity of constantly suffering. Lego stepping, however, I am perfectly fine with.

That being said, though, was she even really a feminist, or was she just trying to stroke her own ego? Like, saying she founded the first battered women shelter when she just helped it. Kind of like the feminist version of Al Gore inventing the Internet, to use an out-dated reference.

Dvärghundspossen
11 years ago

Okay, I’m a Swede, and this “Sweden wants to make it a crime to criticize feminism” is COMPLETE NEWS to me. Maybe that is because she just pulled that one out of her arse!

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