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Why haven’t Men’s Rights Activists turned on Paul Elam for falsely accusing Arianna Pattek of civil rights violations? [UPDATE: Elam retraction]

Graphic from SAVE Services, whose press releases are regularly run on A Voice for Men. Why doesn't this apply to Paul Elam?
Graphic from SAVE Services, whose press releases regularly run on A Voice for Men. Why doesn’t this policy apply to Paul Elam?

UPDATE: Elam has retracted his original story. See the end of this post for more details.

Men’s Rights Activists often insist that false accusations of rape are literally as bad as rape itself, and that false accusers of rape should spend as much time in prison as actual rapists.

Presumably they feel the same way about false accusers of other crimes, from murder to check kiting.

So in the wake of Paul Elam’s reckless false accusations against recent Georgetown graduate Arianna Pattek, one would expect other MRAs to rise up en masse to demand that Elam turn himself in.

Elam, you may recall, accused Pattek of serious violations of civil rights laws, claiming that she, as an employee of Georgetown’s admissions office, showed clear bias against white men. Indeed, Elam didn’t even qualify his accusations with an “alleged,” as journalists routinely do when writing about those accused but not convicted of crimes. Here’s what he wrote about her:

Pattek, who clearly has issues with sexual and racial bigotry, decided she would not only trash the applications of white males on sight, she also decided to blog about her activities under what she assumed was anonymous conditions. Writing for a web blog called The Feminist Conservative, Pattek laid out precisely what she was doing in very clear terms. …

Clearly this is a person not only warped by ideology, but who also holds deep seated prejudices that guided her unscrupulous actions. Her targets were selected by sex, race, political beliefs and perhaps even religion. Her identity was traced after she referenced the subject of her master’s thesis at Georgetown in some of her writing, including the “about” page at the Feminist Conservative.

The trouble is that absolutely none of this is true. There’s nothing linking Pattek to the blog, which seems to be a hoax, and numerous things suggesting that she is NOT the author of the blog any more than Paul Elam is.

As Georgetown has made clear, Pattek never worked for the school’s admissions office. She never wrote a Master’s thesis; she graduated from Georgetown in 2012 with a bachelors degree, not a masters (as Elam claims) or a doctorate (as the FeministConservative blogger claimed about herself, if she is even a she). Pattek’s thesis was a Senior thesis required for her minor in Justice and Peace, which a program for undergraduates. The topic(s) of her senior thesis only bear a slight resemblance to the topic(s) of the alleged doctoral thesis of the FeministConservative blogger. Even a quick perusal of the “evidence” posted on A Voice for Men will reveal numerous other discrepancies.

Indeed, the falsity and recklessness of Elam’s charges against Pattek are so patently obvious that even some MRAs have begun to doubt. On the Men’s Rights subreddit, for example, the mods have added “May be fake” to the title of the thread discussing the feministconservative blog controversy.

In the comments, someone called isktamin offers this take:

I’ve been on another forum with a couple other people, and this is absolutely a fake. [Pattek’s] thesis states that she is of Jewish descent and identifies wholly as Jewish, while the blog states that she is Christian and not of Jewish descent.

Pattek seems to be a pretty good person. Someone’s been deleting all traces of her from the GU website, likely another student. Google archives are telling us that she has multiple awards, she helped children in need in Kenya. Her thesis is of pretty good quality, too. The blog is of shit quality without effort to spell things correctly. It’s quite the blatant online defamation campaign, and I haven’t the slightest idea why.

Incidentally, he’s right about the difference in religion, the awards, the work Pattek did in Kenya, the difference in quality between the blog and Pattek’s thesis. He’s wrong about who deleted the information: as we learned yesterday, it was the current director of the Justice and Peace program, in response to harassment from white supremacists.

Meanwhile, alt right Manosphere blogger Chuck Ross of Gucci Little Piggy has also cast serious doubt on Elam’s accusations.

Even on A Voice for Men a few Men’s Rights Activists have challenged Elam’s case, most notably Chris Deslone, the founder of the Men’s Rights subreddit and a contributor to AVFM.

So where is the upswelling of outrage amongst MRAs at Elam’s false accusations? Where are the calls for him to be charged with crimes as serious as the civil rights violations he has accused Pattek of? Where are the calls for him to turn himself in – or at the very least, to apologize for his misdeeds and step down from his position at A Voice for Men?

I haven’t seen any.

For MRAs, sorry seems to be the hardest word.

You might expect Pierce Harlan of the so-called Community of the Wrongly Accused to have some sympathy for the wrongly accused Pattek. But he’s said nothing on his site (or anywhere else, as far as I know) about Elam’s false and reckless accusations, and Elam is still listed in the Community of the Wrongly Accused sidebar as a “False rape activist,” whatever that is.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, meanwhile, the mods actually deleted a post asking “So, when does the woman you guys falsely accused get an apology?” (You can still find it here, but you can no longer reach it from the Men’s Rights subreddit itself.) The comments, naturally, are full of denial, and many have been deleted, making for a surreal discussion indeed. “I don’t recall having falsely accused anyone of anything,” real-boethius wrote indignantly. “Even AVFM had the story up as “Georgetown University Coverup?” – note the question mark, and they state that the evidence is inconclusive.”

Uh, Did. You. Actually. Read. Elam’s. Post?

Elam, for his part, after adamantly attacking all those who challenged his accusations in any way, may now realize that he’s made a huge mistake. He hasn’t admitted this, of course, but he has awkwardly appended to his post some of the information gathered by Chris Deslone that clearly shows that his accusations are completely bogus. So now we have the strange spectacle of a post that accuses Pattek of various civil rights violations, without even an “allegedly” to qualify the accusations, which ends with links to official statements from Georgetown that undercut everything Elam has said:

chris

Here, here and here are the Twitter links in that screenshot.

All of this is surreal enough, but perhaps the most surreal response to the whole thing comes from the Reno, Nevada MRA known as Scarecrow, a former-but-now-banned Man Boobz commenter, in a comment on Reddit:

scare

Apparently nothing is ever the fault of MRAs ever, including the things they do.

UPDATE: Elam has now retracted his original story naming Pattek as a civil rights violator. Here are the key bits of his retraction:

In hindsight it is apparent that I was too fast on the trigger in establishing a connection between the blogger who claimed to have sabotaged the applications and that of a former student at Georgetown. While there is circumstantial evidence that does connect the two, and many unanswered questions, there is nothing that makes that connection a verifiable certainty.

It was a mistake on my part for which I apologize to the woman in question, and to any readers who felt they were misled. The original article naming her has been updated with a link to this retraction and her name has been redacted from the article. I am also removing all comments to the article and closing them to make sure no references to her are made.

I think this somewhat mealymouthed mea culpa is about as close to an admission of wrongdoing as we’re ever likely to get from Elam on anything.

Elam continues to cast vague aspersions on Georgetown itself, however:

I also want to make it clear that this retraction does not mean that AVFM is abandoning its investigation into the validity of the claims made about trashing university applications based on sex and race. Additionally, we are not done with concerns about the university itself, whose unusual and somewhat cryptic manner of responding to this story leaves more questions than answers.

Actually, I think Georgetown was fairly direct in responding to most of the questions on its official Twitter account. Elam also brings up his conspiracy theory, saying that

we did not take an interest in it until it became apparent that Georgetown University was moving, without explanation, to remove all references to her from their websites.

In fact, the director of the Justice and Peace program at Georgetown, Mark Lance, provided an explanation of this to my readers yesterday, as I pointed out in this post. But I’ll recap: according to Lance, the past director of the Justice and Peace program took her information down in response to harassment from white supremacists. There’s nothing particularly mysterious about that.

I’m honestly surprised to see Elam admit to being wrong about anything. I suspect — though I have no proof, and this is simply speculation — that he may have spoken to a lawyer — either his own, or someone else’s.

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Howard Bannister
11 years ago

@freemage:

What’s on my mind here is the threats and harassment. Is working to publish somebody’s name with a known hate group more prone to causing damage to a person than publishing it where reasonable people would actually believe it? I mean, can we divide between damage to reputation and incitement to violence?

Or would that operate under something other than libel?

pecunium
11 years ago

Howard: That wouldn’t be libel. That would be a violation of stalking laws, or harassment laws. Libel is purely about reputation.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Hmm. That makes sense.

Since the people posting are people that reasonable people aren’t going to mistake for news (although the world is filled with unreasonable people, but the reasonable person of uniform spherity is what the court is concerned with), then it really comes down to the harassment she’s received.

And….what I know of similar cases makes me think the laws there are either useless or unenforced.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I still kind of hope she sues them, even if she only recovers legal fees. Mainly, I just want there to be some negative consequences for that bloviating asshat.

Has anyone posted the AVfM pseudo-retraction on r/mr?

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
11 years ago

I still kind of hope she sues them, even if she only recovers legal fees. Mainly, I just want there to be some negative consequences for that bloviating asshat.

Has anyone posted the AVfM pseudo-retraction on r/mr?

Me too. And if there were some sort of legal repercussions for this, it would also serve as a deterrent for these kinds of Internet vigilante mobs in the future.

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Yes, and they are patting themselves on the back for printing a retraction. As contrite people do.

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cws3d/so_avfm_did_issue_a_retraction_regarding/

I know readers here are inclined towards laughing with tears in their eyes, so go ahead, have a laugh/cry.

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
11 years ago

Wouldn’t there be damage to her reputation regarding hiring? Unlike other alumni, her dissertation is no longer easily accessible from the Georgetown website (because white supremacists?). In addition, her name may come up in Google searches years from now linked to this stuff. Being re-linked to her over and over again whenever she attempts to have a legitimate online presence.

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
11 years ago

Even if a future employer doesn’t believe the allegations, the employer may decline to hire her because of possible controversy.

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Oh man, to be the lawyer who broke ground with successfully suing for internet harassment- think I could get my law degree fast enough?

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

oh crap, words came out before my compassion muscle flexed- I really hope that’s the worst thing I say all month.

Mouse
Mouse
11 years ago

MRA’s. Taking responsibility for their actions since forever.

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
11 years ago

@ttf

I guess I’d rather be the sixth or seventh. Not to avoid breaking new ground, it would just be nice if it’d allready be happening. Telling a child right now, “You could be the first female / etc. president!” is pretty depressing. It always bothered me that the person telling me was expecting it to take soooo long for it to happen.

But I understand the sentiment.

Mouse
Mouse
11 years ago

Also, notice how several MRA’s post with real names and pictures and still talk shit? Must be nice to have that privelege. Feminists and women have to hide their identity for less than that.

pecunium
11 years ago

ttf: I don’t think it was a lack of compassion; the opposite rather. We’ve been talking about people being harassed for days. It’s not as if this is going to be a thing one would ever lack for a case; so wanting to make it happen isn’t bad.

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
11 years ago

Seconded.

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Thanks, pecunium. Maybe we could put out an ad somewhere: ‘looking for lawyer who wants to make history’. Or if she is at all interested we might be able to get a pledge drive going to help her pay legal fees. Though more than likely she wants her life to go back to whatever kind of normal she can hope for these days.

katz
11 years ago

Maude, is the duckling part of the army, or is it just the victim?

cloudiah
11 years ago

So, question to Manboobzers about this:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cwwgx/do_i_have_a_leg_to_stand_on_refusing_to_post_this/

Should we warn them that a MRA RA (say that out loud) threw away their flyer and that MRAs might be attending their event with cameras? It appears to be an event happening next Tuesday at Eastern Washington University, and I have found phone numbers but no emails for both the professor who is speaking, and for a woman who is the main contact for the series of programs.

As a side note, I think the topic is … problematic, or at least the description of it is, since it seems to imply that there’s some uncontrollable physiological process that turns perfectly nice people into rapists.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I’m leaning towards not reporting the MRA RA for throwing away the flyer, I just wanted to have a chance to type MRA RA and say it out loud a few times. It sounds like growling.

pecunium
11 years ago

This comment hurts:

[–]typhonblue
[-1] 20 points 12 hours ago (24|4)

If you’re a gay guy worried about being raped they can justify that with their special privilege decoder rings.

But they can’t justify a straight guy’s fear of gay male sexuality.

The idea is to play one of their prejudices against the other to induce a state of cognitive dissonance so powerful it jump starts something resembling critical thought.

How does one say that with a straight face?

cloudiah
11 years ago

Possibly the only reasonable comment ever from David’s imposter on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1cws3d/so_avfm_did_issue_a_retraction_regarding/c9l05bi

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Cloudiah: Yes. Report, absolutely- messing with the safety of female college students? Nosir, not on my watch. Wanna figure out a way to make this happen?

timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Zhe’s (neat, never used that pronoun before- handy!) responsible for the welfare of the women in that university and the only frigging thing that has ever reduced rates of sexual assault on a campus has been the tech men not to rape campaigns. Zude is in the wrong.

bahumbugi
11 years ago

@ Fibinachi – amazing.

On lawsuits — as someone who has dealt with courts in the U.S. around both criminal and family law, both personally and professionally, I’d say she’d stand absolutely no chance at any kind of conviction whatsoever. I’m NOT a lawyer, though.

Ugh, this comment chain on reddit makes me physically ill. I need to have some tea now. I’d say it is fair to tell the organizer, but I doubt they have teeth. No email only phone number though? That’s so odd.

The poster does seem pretty problematic…and mildly creepy. There’ really no information about this person (seems to be a man). He is a professor at a community college in Spokane. He teaches “psychology of murder” over the summer. It’s odd they have no faculty page on him, didn’t see publications anywhere, seems to be a masters level adjunct. He won some teaching award, maybe is a nice guy:
http://sites.ewu.edu/easterneronline/2011/10/10/psi-chi-faculty-of-the-year-awarded/
“Single dad and psychology instructor”

I wonder what the MRAs would say when they find out he’s a single dad…

I did find an email address for the organizer on a bunch of websites.

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