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Why haven’t Men’s Rights Activists turned on Paul Elam for falsely accusing Arianna Pattek of civil rights violations? [UPDATE: Elam retraction]

Graphic from SAVE Services, whose press releases are regularly run on A Voice for Men. Why doesn't this apply to Paul Elam?
Graphic from SAVE Services, whose press releases regularly run on A Voice for Men. Why doesn’t this policy apply to Paul Elam?

UPDATE: Elam has retracted his original story. See the end of this post for more details.

Men’s Rights Activists often insist that false accusations of rape are literally as bad as rape itself, and that false accusers of rape should spend as much time in prison as actual rapists.

Presumably they feel the same way about false accusers of other crimes, from murder to check kiting.

So in the wake of Paul Elam’s reckless false accusations against recent Georgetown graduate Arianna Pattek, one would expect other MRAs to rise up en masse to demand that Elam turn himself in.

Elam, you may recall, accused Pattek of serious violations of civil rights laws, claiming that she, as an employee of Georgetown’s admissions office, showed clear bias against white men. Indeed, Elam didn’t even qualify his accusations with an “alleged,” as journalists routinely do when writing about those accused but not convicted of crimes. Here’s what he wrote about her:

Pattek, who clearly has issues with sexual and racial bigotry, decided she would not only trash the applications of white males on sight, she also decided to blog about her activities under what she assumed was anonymous conditions. Writing for a web blog called The Feminist Conservative, Pattek laid out precisely what she was doing in very clear terms. …

Clearly this is a person not only warped by ideology, but who also holds deep seated prejudices that guided her unscrupulous actions. Her targets were selected by sex, race, political beliefs and perhaps even religion. Her identity was traced after she referenced the subject of her master’s thesis at Georgetown in some of her writing, including the “about” page at the Feminist Conservative.

The trouble is that absolutely none of this is true. There’s nothing linking Pattek to the blog, which seems to be a hoax, and numerous things suggesting that she is NOT the author of the blog any more than Paul Elam is.

As Georgetown has made clear, Pattek never worked for the school’s admissions office. She never wrote a Master’s thesis; she graduated from Georgetown in 2012 with a bachelors degree, not a masters (as Elam claims) or a doctorate (as the FeministConservative blogger claimed about herself, if she is even a she). Pattek’s thesis was a Senior thesis required for her minor in Justice and Peace, which a program for undergraduates. The topic(s) of her senior thesis only bear a slight resemblance to the topic(s) of the alleged doctoral thesis of the FeministConservative blogger. Even a quick perusal of the “evidence” posted on A Voice for Men will reveal numerous other discrepancies.

Indeed, the falsity and recklessness of Elam’s charges against Pattek are so patently obvious that even some MRAs have begun to doubt. On the Men’s Rights subreddit, for example, the mods have added “May be fake” to the title of the thread discussing the feministconservative blog controversy.

In the comments, someone called isktamin offers this take:

I’ve been on another forum with a couple other people, and this is absolutely a fake. [Pattek’s] thesis states that she is of Jewish descent and identifies wholly as Jewish, while the blog states that she is Christian and not of Jewish descent.

Pattek seems to be a pretty good person. Someone’s been deleting all traces of her from the GU website, likely another student. Google archives are telling us that she has multiple awards, she helped children in need in Kenya. Her thesis is of pretty good quality, too. The blog is of shit quality without effort to spell things correctly. It’s quite the blatant online defamation campaign, and I haven’t the slightest idea why.

Incidentally, he’s right about the difference in religion, the awards, the work Pattek did in Kenya, the difference in quality between the blog and Pattek’s thesis. He’s wrong about who deleted the information: as we learned yesterday, it was the current director of the Justice and Peace program, in response to harassment from white supremacists.

Meanwhile, alt right Manosphere blogger Chuck Ross of Gucci Little Piggy has also cast serious doubt on Elam’s accusations.

Even on A Voice for Men a few Men’s Rights Activists have challenged Elam’s case, most notably Chris Deslone, the founder of the Men’s Rights subreddit and a contributor to AVFM.

So where is the upswelling of outrage amongst MRAs at Elam’s false accusations? Where are the calls for him to be charged with crimes as serious as the civil rights violations he has accused Pattek of? Where are the calls for him to turn himself in – or at the very least, to apologize for his misdeeds and step down from his position at A Voice for Men?

I haven’t seen any.

For MRAs, sorry seems to be the hardest word.

You might expect Pierce Harlan of the so-called Community of the Wrongly Accused to have some sympathy for the wrongly accused Pattek. But he’s said nothing on his site (or anywhere else, as far as I know) about Elam’s false and reckless accusations, and Elam is still listed in the Community of the Wrongly Accused sidebar as a “False rape activist,” whatever that is.

Over on the Men’s Rights subreddit, meanwhile, the mods actually deleted a post asking “So, when does the woman you guys falsely accused get an apology?” (You can still find it here, but you can no longer reach it from the Men’s Rights subreddit itself.) The comments, naturally, are full of denial, and many have been deleted, making for a surreal discussion indeed. “I don’t recall having falsely accused anyone of anything,” real-boethius wrote indignantly. “Even AVFM had the story up as “Georgetown University Coverup?” – note the question mark, and they state that the evidence is inconclusive.”

Uh, Did. You. Actually. Read. Elam’s. Post?

Elam, for his part, after adamantly attacking all those who challenged his accusations in any way, may now realize that he’s made a huge mistake. He hasn’t admitted this, of course, but he has awkwardly appended to his post some of the information gathered by Chris Deslone that clearly shows that his accusations are completely bogus. So now we have the strange spectacle of a post that accuses Pattek of various civil rights violations, without even an “allegedly” to qualify the accusations, which ends with links to official statements from Georgetown that undercut everything Elam has said:

chris

Here, here and here are the Twitter links in that screenshot.

All of this is surreal enough, but perhaps the most surreal response to the whole thing comes from the Reno, Nevada MRA known as Scarecrow, a former-but-now-banned Man Boobz commenter, in a comment on Reddit:

scare

Apparently nothing is ever the fault of MRAs ever, including the things they do.

UPDATE: Elam has now retracted his original story naming Pattek as a civil rights violator. Here are the key bits of his retraction:

In hindsight it is apparent that I was too fast on the trigger in establishing a connection between the blogger who claimed to have sabotaged the applications and that of a former student at Georgetown. While there is circumstantial evidence that does connect the two, and many unanswered questions, there is nothing that makes that connection a verifiable certainty.

It was a mistake on my part for which I apologize to the woman in question, and to any readers who felt they were misled. The original article naming her has been updated with a link to this retraction and her name has been redacted from the article. I am also removing all comments to the article and closing them to make sure no references to her are made.

I think this somewhat mealymouthed mea culpa is about as close to an admission of wrongdoing as we’re ever likely to get from Elam on anything.

Elam continues to cast vague aspersions on Georgetown itself, however:

I also want to make it clear that this retraction does not mean that AVFM is abandoning its investigation into the validity of the claims made about trashing university applications based on sex and race. Additionally, we are not done with concerns about the university itself, whose unusual and somewhat cryptic manner of responding to this story leaves more questions than answers.

Actually, I think Georgetown was fairly direct in responding to most of the questions on its official Twitter account. Elam also brings up his conspiracy theory, saying that

we did not take an interest in it until it became apparent that Georgetown University was moving, without explanation, to remove all references to her from their websites.

In fact, the director of the Justice and Peace program at Georgetown, Mark Lance, provided an explanation of this to my readers yesterday, as I pointed out in this post. But I’ll recap: according to Lance, the past director of the Justice and Peace program took her information down in response to harassment from white supremacists. There’s nothing particularly mysterious about that.

I’m honestly surprised to see Elam admit to being wrong about anything. I suspect — though I have no proof, and this is simply speculation — that he may have spoken to a lawyer — either his own, or someone else’s.

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Maude LL
11 years ago

I hope this works.

Here’s my regular army:

http://i.imgur.com/ZwLtozI.gif

Maude LL
11 years ago

Oh I was hoping the gif would show.

A cat-shark pursuing a duck!

La Strega
11 years ago

@Valerian,

So you think it’s booze? Cuz this is one seriously incoherent thread! These guys are just tripping out. creaming their jeans over La Roosh. Man oh man this is some weird shit…

Kittehserf
11 years ago

… Minty had a mind to lose?

thekidwiththereplaceablehead

Things made clear in Elam’s apology:

Doxxing is still an acceptable form of “activism”. Not at all a strange internet-revenge woman-punish intimidation fantasy that is completely ineffective at changing any of the things we claim to care about. We support due process, presumption of innocence, and even anonymity for dudes accused of rape, but “an internet detective said so” is good enough for people who may have said something we don’t like.

We’ll believe anything that confirms our worldview. The ConservativeFeminist blog is true because that’s what I bellyfeel. Even if it might be a hoax, that’s still totally what feminists in higher education do.

scarlettpipstrelle
11 years ago

Quite ironically, the tepid retraction appeared right next to a more prominent headline, “http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/we-are-winning-the-pr-war/” Oh really?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

So they’re using the Charlie Sheen definition of “winning”?

lowquacks
lowquacks
11 years ago

. . .Isn’t throwing “allegedly” around wherever it fits at all if addressed criminal acts that may not have taken place one of the first things they allegedly teach you in journalism school? I thought it was the “say that what you’re saying is not to be taken as legal advice” of journalism like that.

Perhaps I’m giving Elam too much credit. Easy to do.

-lowquacks AKA flowquacks AKA lowquack$

scarlettpipstrelle
11 years ago

The more I read MRA spoutings (yes, I know it’s worse than smoking would be for my health) the more I realize how little being proved wrong will matter to MRAs. From the comments on their sites, I’m gleaning a view of the world we would have, if they ran it. A world where women are always doubted and every accusation against them is presumed true, and with the opposite for men. One commenter recently criticised Price for allowing as to the possibility that a few men might up and leave wives for no good reason. The commenter’s take was that this never happens, it’s always the wife’s fault, for being a “war pig.” You all can quote many other examples and so can I, but that about sets the scene. A world in which no woman is safe unless she has men in her life who value her enough to protect her themselves. (yup, seen that comment pass too, without disagreement from them) A world in which women are given nothing (unless a man values them), yet are not trusted enough to be given decent paying jobs to earn their own way. A world in which women are always under the authority and judgement of men in all settings, and where men by default own and take everything they want. A world in which women have no right to expect to vote, travel in safety, or live in comfort – these must all be bestowed by men who have judged them to be worthy. The picture that comes to my mind is the world where Dr. H. H. Holmes, a.k.a. Herman Webster Mudgett and his ilk would be quite happy. Some MRAs seem to think that would be a big improvement over the world we have now.

Quackers
Quackers
11 years ago

@lowquacks

Flowquacks has a nice ring to it!

-Quackers

Jessay (@jessay)
11 years ago

E. Legally speaking, the use of a question mark in my title indemnifies me from any personal responsibility for my statements made in the body of the post.

Unfortunately there are people out there who are totally willing to go to bat for horrible shit like calls to violence so long as after someone like Elam ends it with, “Of course I’m not serious.” People who understand how to manipulate statements to create plausible deniability while still getting to do harm are some of the most evil scum on the planet.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Cassandra: Ha, I was thinking the same thing earlier, that they’re using the Sheen definition of “winning.”

pillowinhell
11 years ago

Fibinachi, that story was glorious!! If you choose to make it an animated series and have kickstarter to help you fund it, I will totally donate to your genius!!!!

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Sorry, went to bed, bit late I know but…

@Fibinachi that was awesome,

was just re-reading that Adonis Mirror article, I’d forgotten just how good it was.

@kittehserf, loved the cartoon, reminded me of Simon’s Cat 🙂

bahumbugi
11 years ago

Minty’s oblique references to his “Experiences” abroad seem really creepy and suspect (sex-tourism?)

This matriarchy has dominated even nature here, controlled every last aspect, even the dirt, even the germs, all of the animals, and certainly, all of the men.

mother nature, you misandrist, you!
http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/gz4f941d18.jpg

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
11 years ago

@Fibinachi, your courtroom drama is now on display at the Manboobz Greatest Hits Hall of Fame

I feel terrible for Pattek and all the hell those white supremacists and MRA’s have put her through. There are still MRA sites out there libeling her. Is there a legal way for her to have them take them down?

Falconer
11 years ago

Maude LL may have a regular army, and a platypus army, but I have a seven nation army:

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
11 years ago

@thebionicmommy,

Thank you. I’m honored.
(also, that thread is fantastic)

theseventhguest
theseventhguest
11 years ago

@Fibinachi

Your courtroom drama was magnificent.

Howard Bannister
11 years ago

Seconding, thirding and fifthing everybody here, Fibinachi. That one totally belongs in the Hall of Fame.

@thebionicmommy: Libel is difficult in this case because even when you can point to a specific statement, you have to prove that harm was done because of it. Which is to say, Paul Elam can claim that all the harassment was because of 4Chan, 4Chan can claim it was all Stormfront’s fault–it’s going to be hard to prove that the harm was caused by any single posting, so going after individuals is hard, and I don’t think you can allege that any group of them were conspiring.

I am, of course, not a lawyer. I’m working entirely from a wiki-level understanding of the laws involved.

Buntzums
Buntzums
11 years ago

In Elams retraction ” While there is circumstantial evidence that does connect the two, and many unanswered questions,”
what evidence?
“I also want to make it clear that this retraction does not mean that AVFM is abandoning its investigation into the validity of the claims made about trashing university applications based on sex and race.”
what investigation?

There was no investigation or evidence so why should Elam write this?

freemage
11 years ago

Howard: Repeating untrustworthy sources doesn’t shield you from a claim of neglect. Anyone who repeats the libel and re-publishes it would be held just as liable as the originator, so “who said it first” is fairly unimportant, so long as none of those sources has standing as legitimate. If Elam pointed to Stormfront and 4chan, the judge would bust a gut laughing, tell him to pull the other one to hear the bells, and then get down to brass tacks.

The difficulty in a case like this is the ‘damages’ phase. You have to show that some damage was caused to the victim in order to get anything other than a forced retraction and legal fees–and they’ve already got the retraction, within the bounds that the law demands.

Some accusations are so over-the-top damaging to reputation that simply uttering them is enough to cause actionable harm–an accusation of pedophilia, for example. Outside of those very rare cases, though, she’d have to show that, for instance, she lost a job or job opportunity, or was forced to spend considerable amounts of money on restoring her reputation.

This is going to be doubly difficult since many courts still regard ‘internet reputaiton’–ie, what people online think of you–as something distinct, and less important, than real-world reputation.

bagelsan
bagelsan
11 years ago

C’mon guys, we really should check ourselves. I’d hate to be accused of stupid-asshole-shaming Elam.

girlscientist
girlscientist
11 years ago

“I also want to make it clear that this retraction does not mean that AVFM is abandoning its investigation into the validity of the claims made about trashing university applications based on sex and race.”
what investigation?

Yes, indeed. AVFM never looks at the admission statistics, and if the ratio of white men admitted at Georgetown is inferior to what you might expect compared to demographics. AVFM never interviewed Georgetown’s actual admissions office to get an idea of how it works. AVFM never heard of an actual white man who was rejected from Georgetown despite submitting a good application. Hell, they never sent in a fake application for a white man to see what happens. They never did what you might expect from an investigation. They just saw the blog entry, never questioned its validity and set out to out the author (badly) to punish her (if the author is a woman). Has anyone even contacted Arianna Pattek in a respectful manner to ask her if she’s the author of the blog? I bet nobody has. I bet she’s only received hatemail.

Wow. Some investigation. The FBI should call Paul Elam and offer him a job to teach at their academy.

bagelsan
bagelsan
11 years ago

Late to the party, catching up on comments, but I see that Fibinachi owns the Internet now. All is well in the world.

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