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Lazy Libel 2: Georgetown prof debunks the alleged Arianna Pattek conspiracy. And more on Stormfront

Did Men's Rights Activists take their cues in this case from literal Nazis?
Men’s Rights Activists have a lot more in common with white supremacists than they’d like to admit.

Just a quick update on the case of Arianna Pattek, the recent Georgetown graduate targeted for harassment by A Voice for Men and others, including the white supremacists at Stormfront. As I pointed out in an earlier piece, the “detective work” that led A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and the other Pattek-bashers to target her was incredibly inept and sloppy, and it’s clear beyond any possible doubt that she has nothing whatsoever to do with the misandrist blog they accused her of writing, which increasingly obviously seems to be an utter hoax.

A Voice for Men, which hasn’t yet acknowledged much less apologized for its obvious mistake, has made much of the fact that information about Pattek was pulled down off of a Georgetown website after various websites started targeting her — attributing this to some sinister conspiracy. “[I]t now appears almost certain,” Elam wrote in his error-riddled post on the matter,

that individuals at Georgetown, perhaps even university officials, are purging their online records of that thesis, and her identity, in order to protect the interest of the school against what will almost certainly result in a massive amount of litigation.

Last night Mark Lance, director of the Justice and Peace program at Georgetown, left this message in the comments here on Man Boobz. (I confirmed his identity through email.)

Hi. Im the director of the Justice and Peace program at GU, though I was not directing when Arianna graduated. I just wanted to let folks know that her information was removed from some web sites at to protect her. This story was first picked up by Stormfront.org and the white supremacists have been harassing and threatening her, including posting her home address, picture, etc. It was probably pointless, but the person who directed the program last year decided to remove the info. So, sorry, no conspiracy. Just an attempt to protect a young woman from vicious hate groups.

That explanation makes sense to me, and certainly he’s got more credibility on this matter than Paul Elam. (A ham sandwich has more credibility than Paul Elam.)

Lance’s comment raises an interesting question: Did Stormfront in fact start harassing Pattek before the MRAs got to her?

Here’s what we know: Stormfront — incorrectly — named Pattek the author of the feministconservative blog a little after 3 AM Eastern time on the 18th, the same day that Redditors in the Men’s Rights and Conspiracy subreddits (and a few others) picked up the story. Timestamps on Reddit aren’t precise, but I’m guessing they got to it after 3 AM.  The phony news also began spreading around Tumblr that day as well. Elam posted his piece trashing Pattek later that same day.

So, yes, it does sound like the white supremacists got to Pattek first.

Does this also suggest  that the bogus information published by A Voice for Men came — directly or indirectly — from Stormfront?

That seems much less likely. Though I can’t confirm it, it looks like the whole thing originated not on Stormfront but on 4chan, and that their bogus theory about Pattek spread to all the other sites out there. (I find it hard to believe that all the other sites arrived independently at the same patently false conclusion.) It’s certainly possible that Elam got his info from Stormfront, but it seems more likely he got it from 4chan, or, even more likely, 4chan via Reddit.

If anyone has evidence that 4chan picked up the theory from Stormfront, let me know.

In any case, the whole event says a lot about how bad information spreads on the internet, and just who is getting information from whom.

It also says a lot that A Voice for Men, which likes to pretend it’s at the vanguard of a great 21st century “Men’s Human Rights Movement” was nearly as quick to jump on the Pattek-hating bandwagon as the literal Nazis at Stormfront — that is, the leftover stragglers from a 20th century hate movement.

And it’s quite telling that both Stormfronters and AVFMers think that doxing and harassment of individuals are justifiable forms of “activism.”

I would say something about strange bedfellows, but these bedfellows aren’t strange in the slightest. They’re two hate movements, just made for each other.

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bagelsan
bagelsan
11 years ago

99% of men will suffer a unicorn inconvenience in their lifetime.

cloudiah
11 years ago

WHY ARE FEMINISTS SO OBSESSED WITH BEARS?!?!!?!?!?!?!

pecunium
11 years ago

All the bears I know think people who are afraid of bears should wear bells. It’s so much easier to find them that way, and they are better sport that the people who aren’t afraid.

bagelsan
bagelsan
11 years ago

Yes, yes, pecunium, but you must admit that the unicorns are the real problem.

pecunium
11 years ago

No…. I’ve never seen a unicorn, so I don’t think they are any problem at all.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Telling men they can end rape is like telling minorities they can end stealing. Feminism is a whole new level of hate. ~ Paul Elam

On the front page. In a fancy quoteblock like a ghandi quote or a thinspiration message or something.

pecunium
11 years ago

That’s because Elam isn’t a racist, but a liberal.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Hm… More accurate: “Educating people about what rape is is like telling governments that ending poverty will likely reduce the number of poverty-related crimes, such as theft. White MRAs who try to appropriate the experience of people of color, without understanding it, are a whole new level of racist.”

Okay, so it’s not catchy.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

“If my stated goal was to be a great basket ball player and I spent all my time on a coach, eating cupcates,”

Best.
Typo.
Ever.

😀

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

Cupcats are part of a balanced breakfast!

Aaliyah
11 years ago

Telling men they can end rape is like telling minorities they can end stealing

Yes, because the reasons some men rape are exactly like the reasons some people belonging to minority groups steal.

Is this dude living in another world?

Fade
11 years ago

You’ve also got to love their classy* but typical comparison of woman’s bodies to objects you can steal.

*sarcasm

Aaliyah
11 years ago

You know, there’s something about Elam that reminds me of Dr. Robotnik from The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog…

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@Fade

Like, if I say I want kids to be safe and then I start handing a four-year old chainsaws, it doesn’t really matter what I said.

Just remember, in mra spirit, you have to say you really want them to be safe everytime someone points out it, while completely ignoring what you did/ are doing.

@katz

Honestly, when there’s a guy just outright proudly calling himself a racist, my willingness to care about anything he says plummets to zero.

Yes. Seconded.

@falconer

Like, if I say I want kids to be safe and then I start handing a four-year old chainsaws, it doesn’t really matter what I said.

BRIEFLY THE AWESOMEST RELATIVE THOUGH

XD So glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I scrolled by this though. XD

sidestinkappleeye
11 years ago

“Telling men they can end rape is like telling minorities they can end stealing”

There are so many problems in this statement I don’t know where to begin.

As far as poor or minority people stealing more than white people

CITATION FUCKING NEEDED!

It is certainly an interesting white male privilege to be a part of a group who’s history includes a large amount of enslaving, murdering, oppressing and stealing from native people all over the world to then create a narrative that minority groups are more prone to crime than you.

I am a black woman who was robbed at knife point while pregnant by a white man. What are the odds that there would have been a full on media blitz and man hunt for the guy had I been white and he black?

angryrant/

Kittehserf
11 years ago

All the hugs, sidestinkappleeye, if they’re welcome! 🙁

“Cupcats are part of a balanced breakfast!”

I am totes going to tell Katie she’s a cupcat now. Though platecat would describe her better.

Confession, I didn’t even see that one when I copied it: it was “lying on a coach” that caught my eye. 😀

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

Lol! I didn’t notice that typo; I was all about the cupcats. 😀

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Coaches and cupcats, double win!

As long as one gets to choose the coach, of course. I can’t actually think of any basketball coaches I’d want to lie on, but there is a chess coach who comes to mind.

Say, do cupcats have icing on top?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

@ sideeyestinkapple

It does rather depend on how we define “stealing”, doesn’t it? For example – Bernie Madoff stole a shitload of money from a lot of people, but that kind of theft is usually left out of how people conceptualize “stealing” in the way our MRA friend is talking about.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

So cute! (The cupcat, not the theft.)

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
11 years ago

Didn’t white people spend the last several centuries stealing ALL THE THINGS? We’ve stolen continents. We’re pretty much in first place if there’s a theft competition.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Kitties are good at stealing. THEY STEAL YOUR SOULZ.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Didn’t white people spend the last several centuries stealing ALL THE THINGS?

Pretty much. We stole everything that wasn’t nailed down, and if it was nailed down we made someone else go looking for a crowbar. Our track record is not good on the whole theft issue.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Ah, Woody Guthrie described white folks stealing so well:
“Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen.”