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Lazy Libel 2: Georgetown prof debunks the alleged Arianna Pattek conspiracy. And more on Stormfront

Did Men's Rights Activists take their cues in this case from literal Nazis?
Men’s Rights Activists have a lot more in common with white supremacists than they’d like to admit.

Just a quick update on the case of Arianna Pattek, the recent Georgetown graduate targeted for harassment by A Voice for Men and others, including the white supremacists at Stormfront. As I pointed out in an earlier piece, the “detective work” that led A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and the other Pattek-bashers to target her was incredibly inept and sloppy, and it’s clear beyond any possible doubt that she has nothing whatsoever to do with the misandrist blog they accused her of writing, which increasingly obviously seems to be an utter hoax.

A Voice for Men, which hasn’t yet acknowledged much less apologized for its obvious mistake, has made much of the fact that information about Pattek was pulled down off of a Georgetown website after various websites started targeting her — attributing this to some sinister conspiracy. “[I]t now appears almost certain,” Elam wrote in his error-riddled post on the matter,

that individuals at Georgetown, perhaps even university officials, are purging their online records of that thesis, and her identity, in order to protect the interest of the school against what will almost certainly result in a massive amount of litigation.

Last night Mark Lance, director of the Justice and Peace program at Georgetown, left this message in the comments here on Man Boobz. (I confirmed his identity through email.)

Hi. Im the director of the Justice and Peace program at GU, though I was not directing when Arianna graduated. I just wanted to let folks know that her information was removed from some web sites at to protect her. This story was first picked up by Stormfront.org and the white supremacists have been harassing and threatening her, including posting her home address, picture, etc. It was probably pointless, but the person who directed the program last year decided to remove the info. So, sorry, no conspiracy. Just an attempt to protect a young woman from vicious hate groups.

That explanation makes sense to me, and certainly he’s got more credibility on this matter than Paul Elam. (A ham sandwich has more credibility than Paul Elam.)

Lance’s comment raises an interesting question: Did Stormfront in fact start harassing Pattek before the MRAs got to her?

Here’s what we know: Stormfront — incorrectly — named Pattek the author of the feministconservative blog a little after 3 AM Eastern time on the 18th, the same day that Redditors in the Men’s Rights and Conspiracy subreddits (and a few others) picked up the story. Timestamps on Reddit aren’t precise, but I’m guessing they got to it after 3 AM.  The phony news also began spreading around Tumblr that day as well. Elam posted his piece trashing Pattek later that same day.

So, yes, it does sound like the white supremacists got to Pattek first.

Does this also suggest  that the bogus information published by A Voice for Men came — directly or indirectly — from Stormfront?

That seems much less likely. Though I can’t confirm it, it looks like the whole thing originated not on Stormfront but on 4chan, and that their bogus theory about Pattek spread to all the other sites out there. (I find it hard to believe that all the other sites arrived independently at the same patently false conclusion.) It’s certainly possible that Elam got his info from Stormfront, but it seems more likely he got it from 4chan, or, even more likely, 4chan via Reddit.

If anyone has evidence that 4chan picked up the theory from Stormfront, let me know.

In any case, the whole event says a lot about how bad information spreads on the internet, and just who is getting information from whom.

It also says a lot that A Voice for Men, which likes to pretend it’s at the vanguard of a great 21st century “Men’s Human Rights Movement” was nearly as quick to jump on the Pattek-hating bandwagon as the literal Nazis at Stormfront — that is, the leftover stragglers from a 20th century hate movement.

And it’s quite telling that both Stormfronters and AVFMers think that doxing and harassment of individuals are justifiable forms of “activism.”

I would say something about strange bedfellows, but these bedfellows aren’t strange in the slightest. They’re two hate movements, just made for each other.

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bahumbugi
bahumbugi
11 years ago

@cloudiah – my life goal is to be like that woman.

@opheliah – yeah, i want a doberman who is trained to growl and bark on my stealth commands, but i live in a tiny apartment and don’t have good enough health to make sure it gets the exercise it would need. or $ for another pet.

i will probably go to sleep soon. i’m watching erasing hate. feel overwhelmed. if anyone wants to entertain me though…what’s your ideal dog pack? (stick to breeds just for descriptions sake or be like big brown beast it’s all good, i love my mutts they’re just hard to describe). as of now i want a doberman, a golden, a basset hound, a greyhound, and a norwich terrier.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
11 years ago

erasing hate, documentary about a former skinhead, way more disturbing when you know about MRAs.

thebewilderness
thebewilderness
11 years ago

Great Danes. I have only ever had one at a time but they are very sociable and would be lovely in large numbers.
Or Irish Wolfhounds. They are very sweet also.

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Bahumbugi, I would love a Tibetan Mastiff, and also a chihuahua, the big guys might need snacks 😉 . Otherwise an Alaskan Malamute.

I know it’s old, but it cracks me up.

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Oops, wrong vid.

This is a doggy one.

cloudiah
11 years ago

My pack would be a bunch of beagles. But mutt beagles, all adopted from animal shelters. 😀

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
11 years ago

lolllling cats are so weird and hilarious it’s true.
dogs demand so much attention (mine, now, and all the time)

Kittehserf
11 years ago

The ninja kitty is never the wrong video!

OMG that cupcake dog. Never seen such an expression. If there’s ever a film about the Zombie Dogpocalypse, Cupcake Dog could star in it.

I don’t know about a dog pack – I’m not familiar with enough dogs – but if I had a dog, I’d rather like a retired greyhound. Apparently they turn into complete couch potatoes given half a chance. 🙂

Kittehserf
11 years ago

(That’s a dog on this side, obvs – over ‘tother side we’ve a crowded house: seven of Louis’s dogs, two who came to live with him later, nine of my kitties and one who came to live with us over There a couple of years ago.)

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
11 years ago

My pack would be a working dog gang – border collies, huntaways and healers. Smart as all hell but need constant exercise.

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Sorry, I won’t post any more, but this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI4yoXyb1_M

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Apologies for posting critter vids?

Piffle!

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Sorry, keep cocking these things up.

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Kittehserf, hope it’s not too personal but I’m sensing a Louis theme? :))

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Got it in one! Take a peek at my blog if you aren’t bored to conniptions want to know more. 😀

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Ooo, I didn’t know you could look at blogs that way! Lovely, lovely blog.

He looks very handsome.
I don’t know if you know of The Mighty Boosh T.V. Show, but the picture of Louis in his Aran jumper reminded me of this sketch. (I know I promised no more links, promise, last one, honest)

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Kittehserf, sorry, dominating thread, but no ones here, so I’m justifying it to myself.
Anyway, just looked back at your pic of your lovely Louis at the start of thread and realised if I scan down there is your lovely Tuxedo cat. My comments after might make more sense now, I thought you’d posted a pic of Louis accidentally, instead of your kitty. Sorry for my weird comments after, hope they make more sense now 🙂

Kittehserf
11 years ago

LOL they made sense to me anyway, opheliamonarch, ‘cos my great hurdle is not making everything Louis-themed (hence “bored to conniptions”)! 😀

I don’t have sound on my work pc but the combination of aran knits and Kiss makeup made me laugh. They look ever so much better from the back. 😛

I’m kinda glad I don’t know what they sound like …

katz
11 years ago

if anyone wants to entertain me though…what’s your ideal dog pack?

Great pyrenees or Bernese mountain dog, German shepherd mix, mini Aussie shepherd, and pug or Frenchie.

Listed like that, it’s a very multinational list.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Dogs Without Borders! 🙂

Brz
Brz
11 years ago

Actually, there’s a quickest (and less disingenuous) way to connect the MR movement to the far-right : Jack Donovan, whose book “the way of men” is advertised on “The Spearhead” and is href=”http://www.returnofkings.com/1074/the-best-book-of-2012-for-men”> positively reviewed by Roosh is, well, a href=”http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/3/3/anarcho-fascism”> fascist.

Of course, Jack Donovan doesn’t describe himself as a Mra, he will not “whine” about male suicide rates, anti-men biases in the medias and ask for the construction of more men’s shelters, he just want a href=”http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2013/01/how-to-start-a-gang-the-co-op-gym/”> non-inclusive co-op gym where men can start “under the radar” an elitist gang of anti-modern muscular Spartans.

I don’t know if Roosh is aware of this, but a few weeks ago, I’ve been surprised to read a post on his collective blog a post about href=”http://www.returnofkings.com/7451/modern-woman-in-wanting-to-be-for-herself-has-destroyed-herself”> Julius Evola’s thoughts on the sexes. After all, it isn’t so surprising that these Pua who dream of being “alpha males” start looking at the virtues of “radical traditionalism” between two posts about weight lifting, skinny-fat “betas” Untermenschen and untrustworthy modern women.

Jack Donovan is by far the most radical guy of the “manosphere” and, yet, almost no post about him on Manboobz, apart from href=”http://manboobz.com/2011/10/12/if-youre-an-alpha-male-shouldnt-you-be-allowed-to-just-punch-people-who-annoy-you-at-work/”> this which says “lol Donovan want to punch people”.

Is it because you’re too busy to demonize those whiny Mra who want to play the victim competition with the feminists to look at the ones who have more concrete and bloody ambitions or is it just because you’re uncomfortable with Donovan being both homosexual and fascist?

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Brz, wah? You no makey sense.

katz
11 years ago

And zero for three on the links.

Brz
Brz
11 years ago

Five actually, I’m proud of myself.