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Lazy Libel 2: Georgetown prof debunks the alleged Arianna Pattek conspiracy. And more on Stormfront

Did Men's Rights Activists take their cues in this case from literal Nazis?
Men’s Rights Activists have a lot more in common with white supremacists than they’d like to admit.

Just a quick update on the case of Arianna Pattek, the recent Georgetown graduate targeted for harassment by A Voice for Men and others, including the white supremacists at Stormfront. As I pointed out in an earlier piece, the “detective work” that led A Voice for Men’s Paul Elam and the other Pattek-bashers to target her was incredibly inept and sloppy, and it’s clear beyond any possible doubt that she has nothing whatsoever to do with the misandrist blog they accused her of writing, which increasingly obviously seems to be an utter hoax.

A Voice for Men, which hasn’t yet acknowledged much less apologized for its obvious mistake, has made much of the fact that information about Pattek was pulled down off of a Georgetown website after various websites started targeting her — attributing this to some sinister conspiracy. “[I]t now appears almost certain,” Elam wrote in his error-riddled post on the matter,

that individuals at Georgetown, perhaps even university officials, are purging their online records of that thesis, and her identity, in order to protect the interest of the school against what will almost certainly result in a massive amount of litigation.

Last night Mark Lance, director of the Justice and Peace program at Georgetown, left this message in the comments here on Man Boobz. (I confirmed his identity through email.)

Hi. Im the director of the Justice and Peace program at GU, though I was not directing when Arianna graduated. I just wanted to let folks know that her information was removed from some web sites at to protect her. This story was first picked up by Stormfront.org and the white supremacists have been harassing and threatening her, including posting her home address, picture, etc. It was probably pointless, but the person who directed the program last year decided to remove the info. So, sorry, no conspiracy. Just an attempt to protect a young woman from vicious hate groups.

That explanation makes sense to me, and certainly he’s got more credibility on this matter than Paul Elam. (A ham sandwich has more credibility than Paul Elam.)

Lance’s comment raises an interesting question: Did Stormfront in fact start harassing Pattek before the MRAs got to her?

Here’s what we know: Stormfront — incorrectly — named Pattek the author of the feministconservative blog a little after 3 AM Eastern time on the 18th, the same day that Redditors in the Men’s Rights and Conspiracy subreddits (and a few others) picked up the story. Timestamps on Reddit aren’t precise, but I’m guessing they got to it after 3 AM.Β  The phony news also began spreading around Tumblr that day as well. Elam posted his piece trashing Pattek later that same day.

So, yes, it does sound like the white supremacists got to Pattek first.

Does this also suggestΒ  that the bogus information published by A Voice for Men came — directly or indirectly — from Stormfront?

That seems much less likely. Though I can’t confirm it, it looks like the whole thing originated not on Stormfront but on 4chan, and that their bogus theory about Pattek spread to all the other sites out there. (I find it hard to believe that all the other sites arrived independently at the same patently false conclusion.) It’s certainly possible that Elam got his info from Stormfront, but it seems more likely he got it from 4chan, or, even more likely, 4chan via Reddit.

If anyone has evidence that 4chan picked up the theory from Stormfront, let me know.

In any case, the whole event says a lot about how bad information spreads on the internet, and just who is getting information from whom.

It also says a lot that A Voice for Men, which likes to pretend it’s at the vanguard of a great 21st century “Men’s Human Rights Movement” was nearly as quick to jump on the Pattek-hating bandwagon as the literal Nazis at Stormfront — that is, the leftover stragglers from a 20th century hate movement.

And it’s quite telling that both Stormfronters and AVFMers think that doxing and harassment of individuals are justifiable forms of “activism.”

I would say something about strange bedfellows, but these bedfellows aren’t strange in the slightest. They’re two hate movements, just made for each other.

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opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Kittehserf – Cats ALWAYS help with the urgh, blagh! The B and W looks just like my Solomon, lovely, lovely mind bleach.

Just in case, anyone who does not know who Goatse is (I know, impossible) do NOT google that, curiosity splatted the cat, and none of us want that.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

Warning noted!

Your Solomon must be a lovely lad. Tuxedos kitties are gorgeous. We got our first back in ’69 and thought her colour was SO rare, never having seen it before. Little did we know how common it was until we got Mamie here twenty years later. She passed over a good few years ago now; I made a picture of her with the Mister recently. (It’s not actually her in the shot, it’s yet another tuxedo that looks a lot like her – yay for stock photos!)

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
11 years ago

i’m newly delurked, but i feel like there aren’t that many dog lovers out there. am i wrong? i mean i’m guessing you all love all animals, but i hear more about cats and small creatures than the pups. where my dogs at?

Crumbelievable
Crumbelievable
11 years ago

So then whoever first brought the blog to the attention of r/mensrights got the info from reading Stromfront…now that’s a pleasant thought!

Maude LL
Maude LL
11 years ago

Sorry opheliamonarch for letting about CB. I couldn’t help sharing my despair with the good manboobzers…
Hope it doesn’t ruin your day, and I am sending you a big helping of fuzzy to compensate.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Everyone, please drop what you are doing and read/look at LBT’s artistry!

BritterSweet
11 years ago

I’m a dog lover, but I’m also a lurker, so my love for doggies is mostly invisible.

cloudiah
11 years ago

There are many dog lovers on board — I am one of them, I just prefer to live with cats. Please feel free to share cute doggie pictures with total abandon.

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Kittehserf, I’m no expert, but that looks not unlike Louis the 13th, I could be wrong, like I said, no expert on cat breeds or French Kings πŸ™‚

Kittehserf
11 years ago

We love doggies here too, bahumbugi! Have you any pics you’d like to share?

Of course cats are the overlords. Our Dark Master is himself a robot inhabited by miniature kitties. One can see them if one looks closely into his eyes.

Kittehserf
11 years ago

opheliamonarch wins! That’s exactly who he is. Photoshopping is a wunnerful thing. πŸ™‚

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
11 years ago

i don’t post pictures of my dog because i’m afraid of a few men who stalk me. one who is squatting on my domain name. he scared the shit out of me several times and i made it clear i was not interested.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
11 years ago

@LBT

I like the Mississipi story. πŸ˜€ Especially the tone, it’s kinda fable-y.

@opheliamonarch

I heard the guy’s name was Kirk. I’ve never seen goatse but I have this friend who had a habit of graphically describing foul things in great detail whilst I was eating my lunch sandwiches… *horror*

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

bahumbugi, Dogs? I have four πŸ™‚
Rottweiler – Toby
Lab cross springer – Sprocket
Pug cross Shit tzu – Petula
Cocker – Abbie.
I’m obsessed!

Brittersweet, lovely puppy πŸ™‚

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
11 years ago

all the dawgs!

i just have a small fluffy type black dog. she’s very silly. grew up with big dogs. love love love the giant dog hug, miss that!

cloudiah
11 years ago

You can post pictures of random cute dogs too. Sorry about the stalker. πŸ™

cloudiah
11 years ago

When I was in a kid I used to get rides to this summer camp I went to with a woman who owned three black dogs: a dachshund, a lab, and a Great Dane. ALL THE SIZES OF DOG IN THE BACK OF ONE TRUCK, GOOD SLOBBERY FUN.

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Maud’s LL, thanks for the fuzzy, I know I moaned, but it was another nasty thing I needed to know, that’s why I come to Manboobz πŸ™‚

Kittehserf, I’m so proud, what a guess, It was a toss up between Louis and a persian πŸ™‚

Creative, Kirk? oh God, it almost makes it worse knowing he had a human name…mind melting… must see more kitties (puppies).

Kittehserf
11 years ago

bahumbugi, I’m so sorry you’re being stalked. πŸ™

Have a kitty and bulldog:

http://youtu.be/V7zJxH4ZVr4

BritterSweet
11 years ago

^That dog is not mine. Just a dog video I found on a Youtube search.

This puppy isn’t mine either, but the video is from when I babysitted her while her owners were out on vacation:

Kittehserf
11 years ago

“It was a toss up between Louis and a persian”

That’s what he gets for not combing his hair! πŸ˜€

Kittehserf
11 years ago

That pom, d’awwww!

I saw a lovely dog this morning. He looked like he was mostly German Shepherd – he had the build and colouring – but instead of the back sloping down to the hindquarters and straight tail, his back was much straighter, and his tail was pure Spitz-type, a big spiral plume going over his back.

opheliamonarch
11 years ago

Bahumbugi, my big lads great for hugs πŸ™‚

So sorry about the stalker, I’ve got a similar problem, no online identity as a result.
Had a guy from school get back in touch on facebook thought it was okay, then things got weird.
Apparently I picked the cool bad guy at college over him (my husband) and he was the, wait for it, ‘nice guy’ I overlooked.
Apparently, he wouldn’t be divorced twice with a kid he never sees if I’d only realised I loved him.
He’s part of the reason I have a Rottie, no facebook account, and frequent Manboobz daily.

Creative Writing Student
Creative Writing Student
11 years ago

This one’s a kitty, and a little immature, but funny.

And an adorable corgi puppy because corgi puppies *squee*

cloudiah
11 years ago

All stalkers need to step on all LEGOs for all of eternity.