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Screencap of the Day: The MensRightsWiki “Activism” Page

mensrightswikiactivism

Impressive! Here’s the link. Maybe they’ll eventually fill this blank page with inspiring tales of harassing women, including women they’ve mistakenly targeted because MRAs, on the exceedingly rare occaisions they try to be activists, are the most inept and gullible activists the world has ever seen.

And while we’re at it, here’s the Wiki’s ethics page.

ethics

Wow! Instead of nothing, this time they have a list of nothings.

Thanks to Reddit’s veduualdha and StephenMurphy for pointing out these links in r/againstmensrights.

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Marie
8 years ago

@TTF

not yet. Not the biggest buffy fan…;) though I could watch tv…

(or just hang out playing video games and checking manboobz like I am right not.)

and, I’m going to stop trying to make this thread all about me, so… ::actives prepare for different subject mode::

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Well here’s a subject change- a site that lists people who have committed violence against women or who have been accused of violence against women has appeared on tumbler recently (I discovered it reading the mr/reddit- they are positively gloating that there is something similar to register-her on the internet). And they have a screenshot of a not particularly critical feminist author saying she believes there is a biological element to men’s violence, i.e. men are biologically predisposed to commit violence against women. Which is exactly the same argument biological determinists have used to excuse men’s violence towards women. I am looking for input here- where is everyone on the existence of this tumbler?

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

oh, crap, here’s the tumbler: http://nametheproblem.com/

Marie
8 years ago

@TTF

trying to understand that tumblr…It’s a little unorganized.

My input: I doubt there biological element to it for the moment…way too much socialization + entitlement going on there… So not any coherent thoughts other than too much socialization going on to say if there is a biological difference, so, um, rambles.

Fade
8 years ago

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a tumblr that lists people who have been commiting violence against women, but I am a little skeeved out about the layout of this one. It seems to disproportionately feature MoC, and I really, really am guessing that MoC do not commit more violence against women. So that strikes me as… skeevy

I can understand how a women who had not yet analyzed the patriarchy would think that men are biologically predisposed to be more violent, but I agree that it is dangerously close to the abuser’s narrative that MRAs are so fond of (the only difference is that MRAs follow it up with “so you can’t blame violent men”.

It might have some handy resources, I guess, if you want to look up through the databases? *shrug* that’s my thoughts.

Fade
8 years ago

Went back to their blog b/c I am bored and postponing homework. Anyway, in the transgender activists section:

Transgender activists have framed the issue of Male Violence against Trans people as something wholly different from Male Violence against Women. This is a missed opportunity for solidarity around the issue of Male Violence.

Seems to be kind of a denial of cis privilege. It’s like some men act violently towards women, some act violently towards trans women, society encourages them to act violently towards both groups, but there are some definite things that cis woman do not have to worry about, and being assaulted for how our gender identity meshes with how we were assigned at birth will never be an issue for us.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

I, um, accidentally started arguing with the site moderator. Damnit. Think first, act last!! I always get that order confused.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

@ Fade- definitely seems a bit cis-gendered white woman feminism first, we’ll deal with Other issues later. But I’m a bit too caught up in my own privilege to really trust my take on that.

Falconer
8 years ago

If we’re recommending tv shows, I’ve been enjoying the Powerpuff Girls nostalgia trip on Netflix.

But I haven’t got to this bit yet.

Ella
Ella
8 years ago

Instead of using so much energy demonizing females and feminism, I wish they would focus on the issues that males face such as dealing with sexual abuse etc. I am actually very impressed with men like Theo Fleury who are actually doing something to bring these issues to light and recognize the shame and debilitating effect social attitudes (yikes I almost said the dreaded “P” word) have on survivors. Men who are facing challenges need support not finger pointing. Derailing others quest for equality doesn’t help your own cause. I was just reading an excellent blog entry by Julian Real on Radical Profeminist and he had an exellent analogy regarding male privilege.

Andrew Johnston
8 years ago

I’d just like to chime in on the whole “MRAs think Asian women are submissive” thing you were discussing earlier. I’ve lived overseas extensively and dated several Chinese women (including my ex-fiancee). Obviously that stereotype is not generally accurate, but what’s interesting is that within the expat community, the stereotype is the exact opposite. I’ve known men in real life and on the Internet who say that they would never marry or even date Chinese women because they are manipulative, greedy and domineering. I’ve seen articles on expat sites (which I can probably dig up if you’re interested) which tell Western men living abroad that if one of them should date a local woman, he should be prepared for her to take over his career and demand expensive gifts.

This is no more true than the other stereotype. I suspect that this is what happens when those “China doll” presumptions collide with reality – any hint of assertiveness comes across as domination.

Marie
8 years ago

@falconer

Perhaps I should watch Powerpuff Girls XD (liked that part you linked to too much.)

cloudiah
8 years ago

I saw that thread on r/mr. The poster said that collectively Man Boobz was being hypocritical because we hadn’t criticized the existence of that blog, but we do criticize AVfM in relation to register-her.com.
A. Yeah, I doubt any of us were even aware of this site before now.
B. I don’t believe anyone associated with Man Boobz is involved with the site.
C. Man Boobz does not link to, endorse, write for, or promote the site.
D. I couldn’t find any sign that the site owner has released personal information, or intends to, such as the named individuals’ home address/phone numbers, routes to/from work, etc.

Yeah, clearly Man Boobz’ connection to this site is EXACTLY like AVfM’s connection to register-her.com. Good gotcha, boys!

/sarcasm

Shaenon
8 years ago

Where I come from, no one gets more โ€œpuddyโ€ at the club than guys who leave 600+ word missives in the comment sections of blogs they donโ€™t like.

Where I come from, no one gets more “puddy” than guys who call it “puddy.”

katz
8 years ago

Yeah, that tumblr seems really skeevy to me. I also noticed that it’s mostly MoC. It seems like they only post men who have been convicted of crimes against women, which is good, and they do link to sources, but that’s the sort of thing that, even if it’s well-run, encourages copycat behavior that’s likely to be sketchier.

And I don’t really believe in shaming people for crimes, pure and simple. There’s a reason we don’t put people in the stocks anymore. Yes, these men have done things they ought to be ashamed of, but once you start using shaming as punishment for some people, there’s no longer a firm line preventing people from shaming, say, women convicted of prostitution.

cloudiah
8 years ago

And as sketchy as it is, it is still better than register-her.com, which is run by the site that r/mr links to in their sidebar.

There’s another thread on r/mr about a guy going to jail in New Zealand for possessing fairy/elf porn, because the imaginary characters in it have childlike characteristics. I suspect the guy is going to jail more because he has a history of actually abusing children, but I admit to being troubled by the implications of outlawing a form of pornography involving fictional beings. But anyway, if you click through to the blog post, and read a bit, you’ll see that the dude is yet another MRA who is obsessed with David. He’s combed through all of David’s published articles to look for things he can misrepresent. I’m pretty sure the blog owner visited us as a troll once, because I remember someone trying to argue that David was a pedophilia apologist after he wrote a favorable review about a gay author.

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
8 years ago

Never seen the powerpuff girls, but I did see the feminist frequency vid on youtube, so thought they must be crap, am I missing something?

Sorry, really will stop posting now.

Marie
8 years ago

@opheliamonarch

Haven’t seen it, so can’t say if you’d be missing something ๐Ÿ˜‰

And no reason to stop posting (unless you want to). But you aren’t annoying me, and I don’t think you’re annoying anyone else.

Bagelsan
8 years ago

Cartoons? If anyone hasn’t seen Avatar: The Last Airbender yet, do that! ^^

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Melody – “Iโ€™ve never been in love personally, but I would love to be in the future. It sounds amazing.”

I hope you are, and happily. It’s wonderful. ๐Ÿ™‚

Marie
8 years ago

@bagelsan

Wheee, random interjection time! Is it weird that while I like ATLA, I don’t really love it? I mean, there are just way to many things I don’t care for (and not all problematic things, some things that are perfectly fine but get on my nerves). Ex: for some reason I can’t stand King Bumi or the Order of White Lotus. Or the way Bryke write ‘romance’ but that was a bigger problem in LOK.

/raaaaaambblllllliiiiiinnnnnnnng.

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
8 years ago

Thanks Marie, I find this all really interesting, but I’m painfully aware I’m new and feel like I’m monopolising, don’t want to tread on any toes ๐Ÿ™‚

Marie
8 years ago

@opheliamonarch

You’re fine ๐Ÿ™‚ We’ll tell you if it feels like you’re monopolizing (or at least I will. This isn’t a hivemind, despite what mras would believe XD)

MKlein
MKlein
8 years ago

@ timetravellingfool re: your Tumblr link

Yeah, I don’t really believe in biological “wiring”/”evolution” explanations for things like abuse. I’m sure that’s an oversimplification on my part, but it’s currently pretty much impossible to conclusively prove a purely biological basis for abuse, considering the huge socialization factor, so in my opinion considering a biological basis is just a distraction, and also sort of apologist-y (I’m not saying that about you, but about the person who posted that statement about men and abuse).

Also, some women really do abuse some men, so making it a “gender-biology” thing seems pretty questionable on that basis alone.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

opheliamonarch – high fives for long happy marriages, and for love, and pets!

To the “love’s just a chemical reaction” sneerers (no regulars here, of course, I’m thinking of tossers like NumptyMinty) I say “so’s your disdain, then.”

Kittehserf
8 years ago

opheliamonarch, you’re not monopolising at all, you’re fine!

Even if you were, it’s nice to read about happy things, y’know? For their own sake and also as a “yah boo sucks” to the MRA idiots.

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

Terribly sorry, I know this was left behind long ago, correct me if someones said it before but didn’t the Grand Doosh say he could no longer, ahem, reach conclusion? And that was giving him the happies? So quoting him on what would happen if there was a kidlet would be redundant? Or has he changed his mind again?

opheliamonarch
opheliamonarch
8 years ago

*sighs with relief* ๐Ÿ™‚

Deoridhe
8 years ago

I love reading about peoples’ happies. I wish I had a man to be happy with, but there’s time.

I agree that the rates of male on female violence is most likely much more socialization than anything else, but that’s because pretty much everything about humans (except for our drive to walk and our drive to develop/use language) appears to be much more socialization than anything else. Humans are short on instinct, long on socialization. Also, I think socialized female “violence” – by which I mean ways that individuals gain and maintain power over others – is much less likely to look like punching someone, and much more likely to look like extended harassment and verbal bullying. That is, it has less of overt violence (because that is reacted to strongly negatively within the culture) and more of covert or implied violence. This is a pattern which I also think repeats itself in other cultures where overt violence is more discouraged; the desire for power-over-others plays out in more hidden ways. This isn’t due to innate differences, though, but rather due to socialization.

leftwingfox
8 years ago

opheliamonarch: Generally, the show is pretty good. Even with that episode, if I remember correctly, it was solved by the other women in the show convincing the girls that equality was the important part, which meant treating her as any other criminal.

So the question is whether the stawfeminist villain is supposed to represent all feminism, or just the sort of reactionary asshole that occasionally shows up in social justice movements. I believe the episode is problematic because it doesn’t really make that clear.

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

Oh Lord, I need to stop falling down the Doctor Who rabbithole on Youtube. *ugly snorting feelings” Sorry to get off thread!

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Feminist Frequency makes me so happy. I just want to get drunk with Anita Sarkeesian and listen to her calmly and logically analyze all the media I consume. And tell me it will all be ok.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

@Theda Bara – yup, Roosh the Douche did say that. He was happy because it gave him another reason to play his nasty little mind games with the unfortunate woman he was with. Causing women distress matters more to him than the pleasure of sex which PUAs would have everyone else believe is so important to them.

@Deoridhe – “I love reading about peoplesโ€™ happies. I wish I had a man to be happy with, but thereโ€™s time.”

I love reading about them too. I also have trouble resisting the urge to talk about mine, because even after six years my head’s still spinning that it all happened! ๐Ÿ˜›

Falconer
8 years ago

Well, PPG isn’t without its problems. I’ve seen that Feminist Frequency vid but I haven’t seen the episode. Generally I will say that PPG is cute and funny and the lead characters are three girls, all of which is refreshing, but I allow as how it’s not without its problems.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

I don’t know what to make of that tumbler. President Obama makes it on the tumbler. As does Tony Blair. I know I swing a little to the apologetic side, so I am making it a point to clear my skepticism with people, and I do see the point there- the victims of these folks economically fueled wars are peripherally related to the patriarchy. But is that reaching beyond what is useful? And not all of these people have been convicted- some are just accused. Certainly there is an extremely low conviction rate, but we do need a civil justice system of some sort. If it is failing us, should we attack relatively powerless individuals or try and change that system? Obviously you guys are on side here, I am just asking for input. Speaking of which, awesome points about the visible minority bias- totally did not pick up on that. And if the visible minority bias is a direct result of our society’s tendency to demonize people of colour, then is this vigilante registry really helpful or is it hurtful Further, the author that seems to be these folk’s mentor was criticized for her works by the bellhooks society. And their approach to trans-women seems cis-gendered-centric. Yeah, many question marks.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
8 years ago

Bah, humbug. I come here for the misery and mockery and misandry. Reading about your happiness makes me realize people are having genuine connections with their significant others and their friends, enjoying inspired and beautiful human relationships with each other and without the weird psuedo pressure of evolutionary hogwas hand arbitary distinctions between alpha-beta-gamma-zeta behaviour.

Humbug, says I! It’s all chemicals and evolution and sluts and I don’t wish you a happy and fantastic time with the people in your life that matter greatly to you, no siree, I do not.

And you can have some coal for Christmas, you can.

What? What’s that, Marlowe? Ghosts of what now? Tell them to come back later! I’m busy! I don’t have time to gain a perspective on life and the importance of human warmth, I’m mocking peoples joy and happiness. No you can go rattle your chains elsewhere. Oh come on now, that’s hardly reasonable.
Fine, fine, I’ll have a little past-present-future moment, then. Seesh. Nag nag nag.

… Oh my gods you guys, the world is beautiful.

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

@Kittehserf Yup advice about women from the douche boils down to “look at me,look at me, I can never hope to land a woman with her own opinions and self-determination because that makes me feel less then, so long hair and heels and no english preferably and then I’m a happy boy” I’ve been on his forum a lot.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Jeez, you’re brave, going there! I won’t go near any MRA or PUA sites – first, because I get enough of ’em here; second, because they really are keen on doxxing anyone for the crime of being a woman or not hating women.

Say, didja see the latest pics of Mr K? ๐Ÿ™‚

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

Sorry to double post but Kittehserf, I’ve had a very long, hard week, feel free to post pictures of Mister and make me smile!

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

Ninja!

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Who is going to mra sites? They are bad places, never go there. reddit is kinda ok because of the anonimity, but still, bad places.

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

@timetravellingfool I pretend to be a dude, don’t use my own IP just my college PCs. FOR SCIENCE. Miss my soul though. That’s why Manboobz is important and my SO gets more cuddles then she ever signed up for.

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Omg, theda, that’s a hella cool shit. Be safe, and do pass on your findings!! And decompress often!

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Theda Bara, here’s one that’s … not quite suitable for work. A bit. Beware, it’s caused a couple of hot flushes in its mature audience. ๐Ÿ˜‰

red and gold tapestry bedspread

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

Well obviously Kittehserf is trying to end me *fans self furiously*. Ahem but a quiet thanks between us who appreciate himself. *blushes*

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Heheheh there are quite a few of us, believe me! If he was in earthly flesh he’d need a security detail when we travelled.

katz
8 years ago

I donโ€™t know what to make of that tumbler. President Obama makes it on the tumbler. As does Tony Blair. I know I swing a little to the apologetic side, so I am making it a point to clear my skepticism with people, and I do see the point there- the victims of these folks economically fueled wars are peripherally related to the patriarchy. But is that reaching beyond what is useful? And not all of these people have been convicted- some are just accused.

Oh. Well, in that case, it’s complete bullshit, only a speck better than register-her because it doesn’t list addresses (just names and photos, because no one could ever find their location from just that).

Obama and Blair have done bad things. But, first off, when you say “he’s a war criminal” when you mean “I totally think he should have been convicted of a war crime,” you’re opening the door for others to say “zie is a criminal” when they mean “I totally think there should be a law against what zie did.” (“That woman who had an abortion is a murderer” is an example.)

And, second, while I’d have no problem with a tumblr of politicians who have abused their power, lumping them together with actual sex offenders is really, really belittling to actual victims of sex crimes. It’s reminiscent of using “you got raped” to mean “something bad happened to you.” (And no, having categories on your blog doesn’t help.)

Theda Bara
Theda Bara
8 years ago

Oh Doc, I’m the belieber of the historical. No shame, his biographies are my jam! Ahem. I should know better, apologise for me and the silly fangirling!

timetravellingfool
8 years ago

Yeah, thanks, Katz! ok, bad place. Bad, bad place.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Nothin’ silly about fangirling, especially when it’s him! I’ve been doing it for over thirty years. And it’s one of our marriage anniversaries on Wednesday! ๐Ÿ™‚