So the Men’s Rights subreddit has temporarily relaxed its policy of not allowing links to the terrible cesspool of lies that is Man Boobz to allow this post attacking me for detailing the disgusting threats and harassment a certain Canadian feminist activist has faced in recent days.
Most of the commenters flatly ignored the evidence of doxing and harassment that I included in my post — if they even bothered to read it — and simply invented their own story of what had happened. Instead of denouncing those who left death threats, they attacked me and the activist in question. And blamed all the ugliness on “trolls.”
Men’s Rights regular Sigil1, who used to post awful comments on Man Boobz as Eoghan (and using countless other sockpuppet accounts) responded in an all-too-predictable fashion, by falsely accusing me of making “false accusations” against MRAs.
You may recall that in my post I offered two pieces of evidence that showed that MRAs were involved in posting this woman’s personal information on the internet — that is, doxing her. One was a large screenshot from a Men’s Rights forum containing a wide array of her personal information including phone numbers and her home address. I also noted that the A Voice for Men forum featured links to several of her dating profiles.
In other words, these are clearly MRAs, and they have been disseminating her personal information — that is, doxing — her. To repeat, and I’m sorry that I have to repeat such an utterly simpleminded point: THE FACT THAT SOME PEOPLE (WHO ARE MRAS) ARE DOXING HER MEANS THAT MRAS HAVE BEEN DOXING HER. Other people who are probably not MRAs have also been doxing her.
In the Reddit thread, giegerwasright complains that “they” — meaning me –“are also moving the goalposts on doxxing to suit their needs.” Well, no. I’d say that a post on a Men’s Rights forum that includes her picture, links to her Facebook page, her Tumblr blog, her YouTube account, her old Twitter account, a dating profile, her home address and two phone numbers is “doxing” by pretty much everyone’s definition of the term.
As anyone who looks at the large screenshot I posted earlier would see, its author — a famous MRA spammer who goes by the name John Rambo — urged men to “contact her through one of the below methods and ask her why she hates men so much.”
In my earlier post I showed you the sort of horrific stuff many of those who have been contacting her have been saying.
Did I provide proof that any of these threatening and harassing comments were from MRAs? Well, aside from one message from A Voice for Men’s Dan Perrins, which was more of a gloating message than a threatening one, no. Part of the reason for this is that most of the direct threats sent to the activist were sent — wait for it — anonymously. That’s how threat-makers generally do things. Cuts down the possibility of getting in trouble.
As for the YouTube comments, I didn’t check. Why? Because, given that the video in question was titled “mras and feminists arguing at u of t mra event,” and that the video was linked to on assorted Men’s Rights sites including the Men’s Rights subreddit and A Voice for Men, I figured that the odds were pretty good that a lot of them were MRAs; certainly the odds that none of them were MRAs were pretty much zero. (And of course I never claimed they were all MRAs.)
But as I sat down to write this post I found I was curious about these nasty YouTube people. So I did a little experiment. I went through the list of awful YouTube comments that I posted on Monday, and took at look at the YouTube feeds of the various commenters who left them to see if I could determine whether or not they were MRAs. I included only those who made threatening and/or misogynist comments, and left out a few that didn’t provide enough information for me to make an educated guess.
Here are the results. But first, a TRIGGER WARNING, because I quote liberally from their nasty, violent and often crudely sexual comments. (You can skim down to my summary of what I found if you wish to avoid the gruesome details.)
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YouTuber Kilz Bryce, who wished a gruesome “death by cheese grater” to the red-haired activist (henceforth RHA), is an otherwise unassuming Japanese fan of Taylor Swift and Carly Rae Jepsen. VERDICT: Probably not an MRA.
Slurpos, who suggested shooting the RHA, is a racist conspiracy-monger who recently called MSNBC’s Melissa Harris-Perry a “slut.” VERDICT: Misogynist, but not a confirmed MRA.
Joris667, who suggested a “cock up the arse,” recently “liked” an antifeminist video by Mykeru, who just happens to be a contributor to A Voice for Men. VERDICT: Possibly an MRA.
Damndisplace07, who suggested punching the RHA, has posted a bunch of rambling, ranty misogynistic videos on YouTube, some of which rely heavily on Manosphere ideology and jargon. VERDICT: Probably an MRA.
BusinessmanBandit is a young entrepreneur and goldbug who likes referring to women as “bitches.” VERDICT: Misogynist, but not a confirmed MRA.
Lazywhiteb0y, who “would love to punch this annoying cunt directly in the face,” is a fan of rap, country music, guns and beer. VERDICT: Misogynist, but not a confirmed MRA.
Akranejames, who also favors punching “this type of feminist,” is mostly obsessed with video games. But he also made a recent comment suggesting that we should abandon feminism and “machism” for “equalism,” and the only people I’ve ever heard use that ridiculous term have been hopeless MRA types. VERDICT: Probably an MRA, or at least a sometime reader of Mens’ Rights sites.
Leinster4life13, who wanted to ship her to Saudi Arabia, is a soccer enthusiast who also recently “liked” a video by the notoriously misogynistic Manhood Academy. VERDICT: Probably an MRA, or at least an MRA-in-training.
Chocolateking1, who made a joke about keeping “bitches” in the kitchen, seems to be, well, the sort of trolly asshole who thinks jokes about keeping “bitches” in the kitchen. VERDICT: Misogynist, probably not an MRA.
MadDogFritz, who railed about “feminazi propaganda” and made three separate comments on three different videos demanding to know “who is the the red headed pig monster with the attitude,” has recently commented on a number of MRA videos and is also a big fan of TheAmazingAtheist and his antifeminist rants. Also has complained about “women’s lib.” VERDICT: Seems pretty damn MRAish to me.
Robert alakaka, who declared that the RHA is “one of the most unlikable cunts in his [?] existence,” and that he “sincerely hopes she dies,” is a raging misogynist and homophobe who recently “liked” a video featuring the MRA-ish “Dick Masterson” explaining how “men are better than women.” Aaaaand he’s a fan of TheAmazingAtheist. VERDICT: Definitely MRA-ish.
TheTrueValkyrie66, who compared the RHA unfavorably to goatse, is also a fan of TheAmazingAtheist and — wait for it — MyLittlePony. VERDICT: Probably not an MRA, but seems to have stepped straight out of the Big Book of Redditor Stereotypes.
HUEHEUHE HEUHEUEH, who made a generic misogynist remark, seems to be a Brony. VERDICT: Probably not an MRA.
EndlessCycleofPride, who declared “I hope you get raped,” is way into bodybuilding. VERDICT: Probably not an MRA, but a terrible person nonetheless.
Dominic Galvin, who declared “I want to punch her,” is a vintage car enthusiast and yet another fan of TheAmazingAtheist, especially his antifeminist rants. VERDICT: Possible MRA.
Corbbin Goldsmith, who suggested oral rape, is a software synth enthusiast and bedroom musician. VERDICT: An awful person, but there’s no indication he’s an MRA.
Amaurypenseur, who thinks that “feminists deserve rape as punishment,” is a weird Belgian who hates American culture, “hanker[s for] a society based on war, inequality and irrationally,” and is a sort-of fan of, um, Hitler. Verdict: Antifeminist (obviously) but probably not an MRA as such.
Theninja36, who wanted to “punch her in the face,” is a American gamer who seems a tad obsessed with Japan. VERDICT: Clearly hates feminists, as several of his comments attest, but there’s no indication he’s an MRA.
About all I can tell about Jack Ofalltrades, who made a crude, racist sexual suggestion, is that he’s a fan of the XFactor. VERDICT: Probably not an MRA.
So what have we learned here, aside from the sad fact that going through the histories of a whole bunch of YouTubers takes a fuck of a lot longer than I thought it would when I started out? Well, a number of things.
Out of the nineteen horrible commenters I was able to determine anything about, only one, Chocolateking1, seems to even vaguely fit the stereotype of the amoral, lulz-seeking troll that our friend Sigil1 wants to blame for all this.
Most of the commenters have been on YouTube for some time, with most of them using the site as an outlet for their various obsessions, which may or may not include hating on feminism. In a few cases they seem to be posting under their real names, which makes it all the more amazing that they’re perfectly willing to post violent and/or sexual comments as if no one except the nasty feminists would find any of this at all objectionable. Virtually all of them seem to be genuinely and unashamedly misogynistic.
Eight of the nineteen commenters are explicitly antifeminist, which puts them more than halfway along the route to possible MRAhood. Six — roughly a third of the total — are probably MRAs, or at the very least consumers of Men’s Rights and/or Manosphere media. Four are fans of TheAmazingAtheist. (NOTE TO SELF: TheAmazingAtheist has some really, really shitty fans.)
So congratulations, fellas: only perhaps a third of the many hundreds of terrible people who have been harassing and threatening the activist in question on YouTube seem to be MRAs or MRA-adjacent. Given that the total number of MRAs in the world is probably less than the number of people who watched that one video, that’s pretty impressive.
The comments I looked at here, nonetheless, are only a small fraction of the total number of threatening and/or harassing comments about the red-haired activist that have been posted to YouTube, and that are still being posted as you read this. She also received hundreds of messages directly, most of them anonymous.
Even if most of these messages weren’t sent by people who identify explicitly as MRAs, a signficant proportion clearly were, so we’re still talking about many dozens, perhaps even hundreds, of MRAs and fellow travelers who decided that the appropriate response to the video of the red-haired activist was to fire off comments and messages calling her a “bitch” or a “cunt” or something equally odious — and/or suggesting that she should be punched, or raped or even killed.
This whole exercise has helped to make even clearer to me why so many MRAs have made their names posting videos on YouTube: Because YouTube is filled to overflowing with the sort of terrible people who think rape threats are hilarious and that GirlWritesWhat is a genius.
MRAs, these people are your audience. Your peeps. Your most likely source of future converts. (Well, maybe not that Belgian Hitler fan. He’s got some ideas about statutory rape of teen boys that are as likely to offend MRAs as they are to offend feminists.)
And you wonder why so many see the Men’s Rights movement as a hate movement. (Hint: It’s the hate.)
NOTE: My promised post reflecting a bit more on A Voice for Men’s role in this all should go up tomorrow.
Dang it!
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html also conspires with kitties!
So does one type “ ” to create an extra space?
Yeah, it’s NonBreaking SPace (acronyms!)
“Amazing, a leftie who can write on a white board (that’s not mocking, my mother’s a leftie and ends up wearing the ink)”
Too right, I’d end up with it up to the wrist. 😀
Let’s see if this works …
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In case anyone missed it, MRAL-cum-tina posted a lovely little rant about how he totally wasn’t Steele on the last page.
(Dude, if the reason you’re upset people are saying you were Steele is that it makes you seem sad and pathetic to be hanging around a blog that has banned you a dozen times, maybe repeatedly coming back onto that blog to insist on your innocence isn’t the best idea?)
@Cooking:
I quite liked the “4 Hour Chef”, TImothy Ferriss.
It managed to capture that “But cooking never felt like an adventure to me, also, I lived off pasta and tuna in cans for years – when something is “brazed lightly for three minutes, what does that *mean*?”” feeling I sometimes got when reading cooking instructions. Most of them seem to accidentally assume a certain… competence – which might not be there. “How hard can boiling be?”.
Hard enough, I tells ye.
Now cooking does feel like an adventure! And as an aside, I can memorize random strings of numbers.
@Amatyultare
Welcome to this circle of tantrums, this holdout of baseless accusations most dire. I hope you enjoy your permanent status as a manboobed monstrosity hellbent on corrupting virtue and also being an irrational something something I lose track of the adjectives and insults but basically, hi!
… Huh, sort of getting a bit strange with the greetings lately, isn’t it? “Here, have a candle and a hard chair and here’s the list of things you’re now causing MRA’s to think you are!”.
😀
@Mark Jones:
It’s a pleasure, and I’m glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your life.
A Tina was his most recent sock and he did finally meltdown dramatically? Because awesome!
Kitteh — what we’re you going for? It’s not  ”
Sleeping pill has kicked in, so logic fails and I can’t guess what you where trying for. Two spaces? ?
So Tina…
I’m clearly out of it. G’night!
I thought the Tina thing was one of us taking the piss? Confused now.
“clintiskeen | April 17, 2013 at 10:11 pm
OH SHIT I WASN’T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT??!?!!- no rapist ever”
Ever heard of Stubenville, Amanda Todd, Rehtaeh Parsons, or Audrie Pott. The perpetrators shared the information openly and with a fair deal of societal support including that of parents, schools and students. Part of the reason for this is that by sharing the information and photographs, the other people feel like they are sharing the blame by association. The way it works is this: Photos and info are shared between students. Some students (knowing or unknowing) jack to the images and stories. Guilt causes them to side with the perpetrators.
The teach men not to rape campaigns help greatly with this by encouraging people to consider the rape of others the fault of the perpetrators, rather than the victims or society. It’s only societies fault, if they cover it up.
If we can encourage people to think for themselves by not allowing themselves to have guilt by association. With these campeigns the world will be less ridiculous than it is today. I also confirm you should go sleep on a Lego block.
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Dehlia Smith’s “One is Fun” cookbook is great for (relatively quick) recipes for one person – and, of course, you can multiply up for more people. One of the joys of Dehlia is that all her recipes come out as they are supposed. And that’s real.
^ Delia not Dehlia (or even Dahlia).
I’ve been watching a lot of docs on Jane Elliot lately and this linked new report reminds me of something she says about the self-fulfilling prophecy created by bigotry. You oppress a group of people and claim that they’re angry, aggressive, whiny, anti-authority, etc, just so that you can say, “See, I told you they were like that” when they express righteous anger at their oppressors. I also love that she wouldn’t allow herself to be tone-trolled. She isn’t nice because bigotry isn’t nice. That woman is awesome.
This whole thing is obnoxious and I’m mad at myself for being mad at her for getting so angry and feeding into the narrative that they work so hard to orchestrate, while I completely understand why she did. Those men could’ve let her get through what she had to say without interrupting and held debate until she was finished. They know they can spew vile, disgusting, violent rhetoric on AVFM, creating a hostile environment, and then act civil in person in order to appear to be the rational side of the argument. The news won’t bother to fact check why feminists are so upset. They won’t look into the posts that make the feminists attending feel threatened and put them on edge to begin with.
I just let through a comment from Dan Perrins. Let’s just say he has an extremely inflated sense of his own importance.
So she comes to an MRA event, whatever that was, brings her manifesto of how MRAs being “helped” by feminists, stands on the fringe, insists on reading it, and tells them to “shut the fuck up”,. She, of course, is a women, they are only men, and they should “shut the fuck up”.
Manboob, I told you these people are serious. This is going to turn into a war. You can read my post and you know I tell men to resist women by denying them support, by turning their backs on women, by living their life as free men, unchained in slavery to women, all indivdual actions to improve the lifestyles and lives of men in a revolution “on the street”.
But there are others, and in the future there will be more than a few, that will not accept their marginalization within society as a mere opportunity to explore the blessings of buddhist nothingness. They will not adopt the attitude of deference and properly revere the little dears as women demand they do. As one comment said “No one half my size will make me bow down to her”.
They are not going to told to “shut the fuck up”. Already some aspects of the movement are being exposed and influenced by more radical ideas. Wouldn’t shock me if in the next five years to see Islam making a foothold over here with American men far more open to it. I can already see coments of men refusing to fight them as slaves to women, refusing to kill Islamic men that fight to keep from allowing the women in their societies to marginalize them as american women have marginalized american men.
I am telling you, stay your course, continue to humiliate and ignore the real grievances of the men, greviences that whether you agree or not, are very real to them, keep telling them to “shut the fuck up” and this shit will not end well.
I haven’t quite read the whole thread and don’t know if this has been noted, but as our de facto youth correspondent I should point out:
is probably something of a joke. 9GAG, a reasonably asinine site that aggregates various supposedly funny images from around the internet, does not host politically motivated content, on the whole. It’s just a stupid internet-pictures site.
9GAG’s supposed stealing from 4chan and reddit and repackaging the whole thing as a decidedly uncool “safe version” of the internet lacking the lurking-required injokes has attracted some heat, tho. Because of this and a code of honour dictating that when non-4chan mischief’s going on one doesn’t point back to 4chan, 9GAG is the current scapegoat for whatever 4chan types decide to get up too. Previously, eBaum’s World hold this position, and then reddit, which does still get the same treatment sometimes. “le 9GAG army” and “le reddit army” in comments and such are both dead giveaways for something actually being 4chan-orchestrated, as much as Anonymous “orchestrates” anything.
@Mark Minter
Islam’s not just some bogeyman to threaten women with. In fact, being one of the world’s most-practiced religion, a diverse religion with many schools of practice! Dudes aren’t going to get incredibly misogynistic and then suddenly convert to Islam, because that’s really not how conversion works and misogynistic internet dudes seem to be pretty firmly either atheistic or Christian. Dudes aren’t going to get more and more misogynistic because of the supposed “war” on them being waged by people protesting speeches at universities – if that makes you hate women, you already hated women!
Thank you and please don’t come back.
@Dan Perrins
I’ve no idea what you’re on about, but I have a feeling your thousands of pages on misandric corruption won’t be taken seriously outside of various misogynistic fora you already participate in. Sorry about that.
It’s good that you have a hobby tho! That’s a fucking awful choice of hobby, but you had the right idea in wanting one.
aaaaaand Minty is threatening us…who’s the hate movement again?
I see Minty is one of those Americans who thinks that “Muslim” means “awful scary brown person who hates women”. I mean, I have plenty of issues with Islamic doctrine about gender issues, but if I had to choose between MRAs and, say, the mutaween, I think I’d take my chances with the dudes in the thobes.
Yeah, Manboob, these people are serious. This wasn’t just a prank in April gone to far, as I had always hoped. War! Boys vs. girls, just like we remember from kindergarten!
Wait, why is Marky talking to himself?
Actually, there were loads of muslims on my former job. Most of them were just… average people. Imagine! And one muslim girl I worked with was AN EXPLICIT FEMINIST! *heads explode everywhere*
Btw, in my experience, people who go on about how TERRIBLY OPPRESSED muslim women are as a group quite often are terrible sexists themselves. Example: On my former job one muslim woman wore a hijab. One day there’s this temp, a man, who sort of out of the blue asks her whether she would consider being a housewife if she were married and her husband made enough money for both of them. She’s like “Yeah, maybe?”. Immediately he starts to go on about how that answer reveals that she’s awfully repressed and US SWEDES would NEVER EVER consider an arrangement where the woman just stays at home and the man supports her. She was pretty dismissive like “okay, I’m not even gonna get into an argument with you because it’s not worth it, whatever”.
Some time later this guy starts to tell stories about various girlfriends he’s had in Thailand and how Thai women are so much better than Swedish ones, at least until you knock them up, because as soon as they get pregnant they suddenly get awfully demanding.
Pretty typical in my experience. You don’t mansplain to a woman in a veil that she’s TOTES REPRESSED unless you’re actually a sexist yourself.