And so the MRAs have found yet another woman to hate.
Earlier this month, as many of you no doubt know, a Men’s Rights group sponsored a lecture at the University of Toronto. The event drew protesters, and the protesters drew MRAs with video cameras. One of the MRAs filmed a confrontation between a red-haired feminist activist and a number of MRAs who continually interrupted her as she tried to read a brief statement.
Her crime? She wasn’t exactly polite in responding to the interrupters. And so, after video of the confrontation was uploaded to YouTube, and linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit and elsewhere, she became a virtual punching bag for the angry misogynists of the internet.
A Voice for Men, naturally, led the charge, running an article by Canadian MRA Dan Perrins labeling her “Little red frothing fornication mouth” and commenting on her breasts. The Amazing Atheist weighed in with a video I couldn’t bring myself to even watch.
Since being targeted by angry YouTube misogynists and MRAs, the red-haired activist has received death threats, rape threats and literally hundreds of other hateful and harassing messages. She’s also been “doxxed” — that is, she’s had her personal information plastered all over the internet, including on A Voice for Men’s forum. Ten days after being uploaded to YouTube, the video of her faceoff against the MRAs has garnered more than 300,000 views, and YouTubers are still leaving threats and insults and crude sexual comments.
This, apparently, is what “Men’s Human Rights Activism” consists of: the doxxing and harassment of individual women.
Several days ago, she contacted me to tell me about the harassment she’s endured. Here’s some of what she wrote:
I’m the red-head. I’m sure by now, you’re one of the 260,000 people who have seen the video of me … .
Because I had the audacity to tell a dude to stfu, an MRA no less, I have since been the target of not only just online misogyny (as if that’s a surprise) but cyber stalking, rape and death threats. They somehow found my facebook, they found my tumblr, they found a twitter acct that I don’t even use, they even found an old [dating site] profile of mine with outdated info …
I also got an anonymous message on tumblr that specifically said “[name deleted] would be disappointed”. [Name deleted] is my dog that died 1.5 years ago, I don’t talk about him on tumblr, nor fb, so they would have had to reaaaaalllly dig to find this info. …
In about 12-24hours, I got about400-500 new messages on my blog, most of them hate, which included rape and death threats, also people wishing death upon me or the typical troll “kill yourself” message. They made a meme of me.
I dunno how many haters I have, and I don’t know where they are. I can’t be sure at any given second, if I’m ever outside my house … if anyone is going to recognize me and try to hurt me.
With her permission, I am reposting screenshots she sent me documenting some of the harassment she’s endured. Even though her personal information has already been widely disseminated online, I don’t want to contribute to that, so I’ve whited out any information that might reveal her identity.
TRIGGER WARNING for what follows, for threatening language and crude sexual remarks.
Here’s a death threat she received from someone claiming to represent the “Islamic Brotherhood.”
Here are some sample comments from her Tumblr inbox. I’ve whited out comments and parts of comments that consist of her contact info, which being sent to her in an attempt to intimidate and frighten her by letting her know they “know where she lives.”
Here’s another threatening comment sent to her via Tumblr:
Here are some comments sent to her via her YouTube account. You’ll notice that the second comment comes from AVFM’s Dan Perrins, who is clearly relishing the attacks on her.
And another glimpse into her YouTube inbox:
Here’s a screenshot from a Men’s Rights forum revealing her personal information.
Meanwhile, over on YouTube, the hateful comments continue to pile up. Here are some of the nastiest ones I’ve collected. I am deliberately posting a lot of them in an attempt to convey something of the relentless nature of the attacks on teh red-haired activist — though I should note I’ve only gone through a small portion of the total comments there and this doesn’t even reflect all of the awful ones I found. These are not in any particular order. I threw in a few non-threatening ones that struck me as a tad ironic or otherwise revealing.
Again, this is only a small fraction of the abuse she’s gotten on YouTube.
This is what happens when MRAs and other misogynists target a woman online. The only thing that’s surprising here is the sheer amount of the hateful comments.
I’ve seen no serious attempts from any MRAs to rein in this sort of hatred. A Voice for Men has tried to distance itself in a superficial way from some of the harassment it has played a central role in unleashing, with an official announcement asking readers to refrain from posting the personal information of the red-haired activist in the comments. Meanwhile, in the AVFM forum, comments linking to her defunct dating profiles remain up.
This is what MRA “activism” looks like.
Coming tomorrow: A more detailed look at AVFM’s role in the harassment.
Kitteh — I really want this report to be wrong, but they’re saying that the fire was first, by long enough that emergency personal had rushed in before it exploded. Smallest hospital count I’ve seen is 120 people…
Part of me really wants to know wtf is wrong with my country. And part of me is too afraid to ask because anyone who asks anymore is told it’s “the gays” and how sinful and liberal we are. Maybe this one will be different since how THE FUCK do you blame the supposed sinfulness of the nation for an industrial accident?
And while I’m ranting, in lighter things, my grandfather is getting settled into his nursing home. Seems his “nobody fucking knows anything” foot problem was probably gout — my father was ranting about how foot problems in an elderly diabetic that’s it they’re going to amputate! As usual Mr. Knows Everything knew nothing. Nurses already called my grandfather a feisty one after he commented on how he likes it their, he’s got pretty nurses! (He’ll behave, he’s a flirt, not a perv) Made friends with another WWII vet…and needs me to come decorate tomorrow.
…today…I should go to bed…
Kitteh – that asswipe is from Mississippi.
To the feminist activist currently being threatened by MRA pieces of shit: You are awesome. I am sorry those assholes are threatening you for telling them the truth.
Whoops, I thought they said Missouri! Apologies to Missourians for that.
Argenti – “smh” is all I can say. 🙁
@Kittehserf, no worries. My husband thought it was a Missouri guy, too.
I know there are bad people in every state, and you can’t judge everyone else by them.
And that accident in Texas looks awful. I’m sad for all the victims. 🙁
And if anyone wants something happy after reading too much awful stuff from the news, this video always makes me smile, probably because my kids love Phineas and Ferb.
No prob! Missouri has it’s own fun cesspool of stupid, but I promise there are some cool people here!
@Briznecko, hello from Joplin, Missouri! If you don’t want to say your city or town, I understand, though, given how the MRA’s try to stalk people.
That’s right! I forgot you’re in Joplin! Hi fellow Missourian! I’m in KC.
I’m not worried about those children, I don’t have much of an internet presence for them to find.
I’m off! Have a great weekend everyone!
I leave you with some classic Jack Benny and Groucho Marx:
Why in Gods name should MRAs/MHRA/MGTOWS or any man for that matter rein in this sort deplorable behavior?
You are disgusting human being Manboobz, these angry individual men that represent no one but themselves. They are not spokes persons for men’s rights.
Where were the Feminists reigning in the vile speech of Germaine Greer, Dworkin, Solanas or the majority of radical Left Wing Feminist gender ideologues across the Universities in the United States and Canada to this very day.
These are random, and rightfully angry men. Where are these men’s published books, akin to Feminist literature lined with accepted hatred? Where are these men’s policies? Just as policies, laws written and passed based off of sixty years of Feminist hatred, female victimisation and the exploitation of mens chivalry and nature to supplicate venomous women that has become institutionalised in all aspects of life from education to politics.
Where were these Feminists curbing societal endorsed hatred for boys, making boys and masculinity a pathology? Where? That’s right? No where! Silently enjoying the fruits of a bigoted ideology based off of pseudo science and demagoguery.
Those in the movement have no obligation to curb these boys anger, after being demonised for 60 years! Your ideology has come to the end of its evil reign, and it will be challenged on all fronts and destroyed.
“…a confrontation between a red-haired feminist activist and a number of MRAs who continually interrupted her as she tried to read a brief statement.”
You are badly in need of an refresher course in English since you don’t know what some words mean.
“Continually interrupted” does not mean ‘tried to get a word in edge wise’.
“Brief” should not be used when a more appropriate term would be ‘filibuster’.
“Confrontation” typically implies that there are two parties at odds, not one yelling at another.
Seriously, when a person treats another person with absolute disrespect – and does so to the point of ludicrousness and for their own aggrandizement – should they not be a magnet for social scorn and ostracism?
*sigh* well, I guess we were trying to get a thread to hit 1,500 comments…cats and recipes and whatnot would be preferred though.
“Where were the Feminists reigning in the vile speech of Germaine Greer, Dworkin, Solanas or the majority of radical Left Wing Feminist gender ideologues across the Universities in the United States and Canada to this very day.”
…here?
I mean, you do mean the noted transphobe and two zombie second wave feminists right? Or you’d like to refer to a living and still relevant Dworkin or Solanas. As for “radical Left Wing Feminist gender ideologues”, try discussing specific points instead of the dog whistles.
Guys! Guys! We’re demonizing boys! I mean, I did tease my brother when he insisted I finish his weird sugar free beverage when the nursing home thought I was asking for ginger ale for all of us when my grandfather wanted a beverage…pretty sure sibling teasing =/= pathologizing men though.
In any case, whiskey, sleeping pill, psych at noon (fuck, that’s 8 hours from now)…desire to deal with anti-feminists waning. Also, Doctor Reid and philosophy jokes.
As for MRA books, and disrespecting the speakers…Waren Farrell is published, and deserves no respect.
And social scorn would be like, classmates ignoring you, not random strangers sending you your address and how slitting your throat would make them orgasm. (In what twisted world is that merely scorn? You clearly have a dictionary handy, look up scorn)
Filibuster? I was not aware that both MRAs and protestors were part of the Canadian government.
(Do they even use that term in Canada?)
I think it was a legal joke from someone with zero law experience, because I typed up many things that made me go “brief my ass” — briefs might be the biggest legal oxymoron. So I think it was meant to be a pun on the dual meaning of “brief” that completely missed all the already existent jokes about legal briefs.
Also, MRAs at least don’t tend to end their sentences with but. As in “the defendant says thing but.” *throws hands in air*
Also, I don’t know about you, but when I ostracize someone I just don’t interact with them at all. “Send rape and death threats” is not part of the shunning process.
And there’s the sleeping pill! Finally.
G’night!
Gross alert
Weird — feeling the liquid in a blister slosh
Weirder — seeing the air bubble when under the skin when it pops
Stupid — playing with a candle in a glass holder (SCENTED MOTHERFUCKING CANDLE OF MISANDRY, it burned me!)
Yeah, the silly has set in. G’night guys!
Agreed. This shit is overt hostility (at best) not shunning or anything.
I really should “ostracize” y’all now though and go to bed…fucking internet!
Allow me to explain
why your constant refrain
“of where were the women”
Is stuck in my brain
Your position entails the right to free speak
And similar notions
But your outlook is bleak and
Your notions barely drinkable potions
Of your name dropped apparitions
The situation is such:
One is dead 7, one 25 years in the grave
So your little wily trick, like a magician
Does your position little credit (also! One is still alive)
AND PEOPLE DISAGREED WITH THEIR POSITION A THE OUTSET
Only they did so, most plainly, without screaming for murder
Torture, rape, defenestration and impregnation by “black men”
From which we learn the following, if ye ken:
If they’re MRA, MGOTW, MHRA or or any other TLA
By station they wish for someone to die they’re making their movement out
In the public, in private in all our eyes
To be a movement for which that sort of thing is just fine
And that, Risk, ain’t all that good publicity shine.
IF they stay silent and don’t “rein it in”
They’e saying: “Oh hey, this serves our purpose!
Sure, we don’t agree (maybe) with the threats or the violence
But keep doing it anyway, it breaks the Men’s Right Silence!”
If they represent naught but themselves
(a contradiction if they’re the former, and can be reined in, can you tell?)
They’re tacitly saying by their words and their deeds:
“Bitch slut those women! They deserve every rage when taken to task
Because discussing like people is too much ask
I can’t be bothered to treat you as human
And that makes my views far less than repugnant”
Thirdly, this is a funny little thought you might have forgot?
“They did so I can too!” is a great defense
If you’re two
“They did it so I want to!” is a great strategy
If you’re two.
Flipping the debate to “Oh no those womanly wiles
They’re all venom and no smiles”
Does you a disservice and makes you look like a fool
(Also, I thought being a herd sheeple wasn’t so cool?)
Also your next little statement speaks for itself:
You’re right! Those feminists where nowhere
As they didn’t exist
And all the stuff that has you in a twist
Is a ghost in your mind and a spectre in your thoughts
That tells you that violence, rage and hatred
Tha t you’re welcome to frot
Which isn’t the case.
Synaptic tap dancing neurons buggery, dude
You’re calling for destruction.
Have a look at your life.
You don’t want to discuss or dismantle, disdain or digress, you don’t want to deter or defer to those who know best
You don’t want to dislike, deny or denigrate, nor do you feel like debate
You don’t want to disturb thought patterns or debunk dastardly muck
You’re not calling for discourse, discussion or deeds
You skip straight to destruction
And that’s why you suck.
You deluded mammal.
I could go on and we could have a fucking conversation
I might even drop the rhyme scheme and pay attention
But you stopped short of trying to even deny
THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO DIE.
So no, that doesn’t flow. It’s not worth the Risk of catching your mind-virus
Your debilitating thoughts
Because seriously man come on you can’t tell the difference between people who have been dead for a quarter of a decade and people who are calling for other people to die brutally and you think reining in calls for violence is the same as policies debated sixty years ago because your perspective and sense of time is a little out of whack.
I mean come on man.
COME ON.
Yes, ofcourse. I mean, when she sat there and used such vulgar language to everyone, ofcourse that is going to want people to listen to what she has to say.
Or when she says that feminists care about men’s rights, then mock a man for bringing one of the issues up by singing “cry me a river”.
You know what is funny? When those feminists were aggressively protesting a speech by an “old man”, they were calling people using their “rights” to view the speech “fucking scum, pigs, rapists”, and so on. Some even held the doors closed, which they weren’t allowed to do, and then pulled the fire alarm to prevent “free speech”, but you want to come and try convince people that when it is done “back” to you in different forms, that we should pity them?
Maybe if your movement did not do what they did when MRA made speeches, then MRA would not publically shame the woman by releasing her details. If you think you are allowed to prevent freedom of speech simply for disagreeing, then who are you to say people can’t do things just as bad to you?
Did anyone at the protest reveal the personal information of the people attending the lectures? did they threaten to rape or kill them? did they insinuate the knew where they lived? What about Warren Farrel himself? was he sent threats? did the protester’s posters have his address and phone number on them?
No? then the situations are not at all comparable. Stop trying to draw parallels, a few people calling another few people scum at a protest and revealing personal information and sending individual people threats in the hundreds are not the same damn thing. Are all you fuckwits coming here really that daft or are you just pretending to be? I can’t believe this needs to be explained to you.
“but officer what do you mean I can’t send rape and death threats to this woman and reveal all her private information…she called me scum and told me to shut up…that’s just as bad!!!”
Thom “Continually interrupted” does not mean ‘tried to get a word in edge wise’.</i
Yes it does. Refusing to let someone finish what they are saying, and breaking in, again, and again, and again is what "continually" (an act which is repeated, without cease) interrupted (to break break the flow of motion/conversation) means.
It's English.
Seriously, when a person treats another person with absolute disrespect – and does so to the point of ludicrousness and for their own aggrandizement – should they not be a magnet for social scorn and ostracism?
Yep, which is why this site exists; to encourage the scorn and ostracism of the misogynists of the world.
I’m glad you approve.
Risk: Where were the Feminists reigning in the vile speech of Germaine Greer, Dworkin, Solanas or the majority of radical Left Wing Feminist gender ideologues across the Universities in the United States and Canada to this very day.
1: You are comparing the rank and file, with the people seen as the shapers. Greer, Dworkin, et al. would be Elam, and his ilk.
2: Where were the lynch mobs and death threats. You want to see condemnation of like, you have to find like to condemn.
These are random, and rightfully angry men. Where are these men’s published books,
Where are these men’s unpublished books? I know publishing. If there was a market, a publisher would buy a book to fill it. Just as Farrell (which, btw, is the answer, there are books, and published).
Where were these Feminists curbing societal endorsed hatred for boys
Where is this societal hatred of boys?
Where? That’s right! No where.
Those in the movement have no obligation to curb these boys anger,
Because terrorism is totes justified.
after being demonised for 60 years!
Dude, this is not the hill you want to climb. If you think this is a just response to 60 years(Hell, I’ll spot you back to A Vindication of the Rights of Women which gets you back 225 years) then the millennia women were actively oppressed (can you say coverture, or suttee? Didn’t think so; you should look them up) should give them permission to do a shitload more than the mythical things you are pretending oppress men in the West today.
SpikedYum: Yes, ofcourse. I mean, when she sat there and used such vulgar language to everyone, ofcourse that is going to want people to listen to what she has to say.
This is why Paul Elam, and the rest of the MRAs in the world use such reasoned and reasonable language, and condemn; in the most vehement terms, those who abuse women.
Oh wait,they dont.
Pots, Kettles.
You know what is funny? When those feminists were aggressively protesting a speech by an “old man”, they were calling people using their “rights” to view the speech “fucking scum, pigs, rapists”, and so on
You know what’s not funny… the way you equate a public protest, with an attempt to terrorise someone, with people saying they know where she lives and killing them will be a sexual thrill.
If you think you are allowed to prevent freedom of speech simply for disagreeing, then who are you to say people can’t do things just as bad to you?
The first (prevent freedom of speech) didn’t happen. The lectures happened. What also happened it the people who didn’t like them chose to freely speak. What you want is the ability to say, “shut up, we’re talking”, and deny those who disagree the their rights to protest.
And saying that slitting someone’s throat will be a sexual thrill, where someone’s address has been listed, isn’t the same as standing outside a public meeting shouting.
Risk (as if you were going to come back). Given that you think this is a “reasonable reaction” of the MRM, how do you feel about the SPLC saying they are a proto-hate group?
Do you disagree? If so, why?