And so the MRAs have found yet another woman to hate.
Earlier this month, as many of you no doubt know, a Men’s Rights group sponsored a lecture at the University of Toronto. The event drew protesters, and the protesters drew MRAs with video cameras. One of the MRAs filmed a confrontation between a red-haired feminist activist and a number of MRAs who continually interrupted her as she tried to read a brief statement.
Her crime? She wasn’t exactly polite in responding to the interrupters. And so, after video of the confrontation was uploaded to YouTube, and linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit and elsewhere, she became a virtual punching bag for the angry misogynists of the internet.
A Voice for Men, naturally, led the charge, running an article by Canadian MRA Dan Perrins labeling her “Little red frothing fornication mouth” and commenting on her breasts. The Amazing Atheist weighed in with a video I couldn’t bring myself to even watch.
Since being targeted by angry YouTube misogynists and MRAs, the red-haired activist has received death threats, rape threats and literally hundreds of other hateful and harassing messages. She’s also been “doxxed” — that is, she’s had her personal information plastered all over the internet, including on A Voice for Men’s forum. Ten days after being uploaded to YouTube, the video of her faceoff against the MRAs has garnered more than 300,000 views, and YouTubers are still leaving threats and insults and crude sexual comments.
This, apparently, is what “Men’s Human Rights Activism” consists of: the doxxing and harassment of individual women.
Several days ago, she contacted me to tell me about the harassment she’s endured. Here’s some of what she wrote:
I’m the red-head. I’m sure by now, you’re one of the 260,000 people who have seen the video of me … .
Because I had the audacity to tell a dude to stfu, an MRA no less, I have since been the target of not only just online misogyny (as if that’s a surprise) but cyber stalking, rape and death threats. They somehow found my facebook, they found my tumblr, they found a twitter acct that I don’t even use, they even found an old [dating site] profile of mine with outdated info …
I also got an anonymous message on tumblr that specifically said “[name deleted] would be disappointed”. [Name deleted] is my dog that died 1.5 years ago, I don’t talk about him on tumblr, nor fb, so they would have had to reaaaaalllly dig to find this info. …
In about 12-24hours, I got about400-500 new messages on my blog, most of them hate, which included rape and death threats, also people wishing death upon me or the typical troll “kill yourself” message. They made a meme of me.
I dunno how many haters I have, and I don’t know where they are. I can’t be sure at any given second, if I’m ever outside my house … if anyone is going to recognize me and try to hurt me.
With her permission, I am reposting screenshots she sent me documenting some of the harassment she’s endured. Even though her personal information has already been widely disseminated online, I don’t want to contribute to that, so I’ve whited out any information that might reveal her identity.
TRIGGER WARNING for what follows, for threatening language and crude sexual remarks.
Here’s a death threat she received from someone claiming to represent the “Islamic Brotherhood.”
Here are some sample comments from her Tumblr inbox. I’ve whited out comments and parts of comments that consist of her contact info, which being sent to her in an attempt to intimidate and frighten her by letting her know they “know where she lives.”
Here’s another threatening comment sent to her via Tumblr:
Here are some comments sent to her via her YouTube account. You’ll notice that the second comment comes from AVFM’s Dan Perrins, who is clearly relishing the attacks on her.
And another glimpse into her YouTube inbox:
Here’s a screenshot from a Men’s Rights forum revealing her personal information.
Meanwhile, over on YouTube, the hateful comments continue to pile up. Here are some of the nastiest ones I’ve collected. I am deliberately posting a lot of them in an attempt to convey something of the relentless nature of the attacks on teh red-haired activist — though I should note I’ve only gone through a small portion of the total comments there and this doesn’t even reflect all of the awful ones I found. These are not in any particular order. I threw in a few non-threatening ones that struck me as a tad ironic or otherwise revealing.
Again, this is only a small fraction of the abuse she’s gotten on YouTube.
This is what happens when MRAs and other misogynists target a woman online. The only thing that’s surprising here is the sheer amount of the hateful comments.
I’ve seen no serious attempts from any MRAs to rein in this sort of hatred. A Voice for Men has tried to distance itself in a superficial way from some of the harassment it has played a central role in unleashing, with an official announcement asking readers to refrain from posting the personal information of the red-haired activist in the comments. Meanwhile, in the AVFM forum, comments linking to her defunct dating profiles remain up.
This is what MRA “activism” looks like.
Coming tomorrow: A more detailed look at AVFM’s role in the harassment.
@Viscaria
I got no idea, but they are all boring and they all blend together.
If I wasn’t having such a shitty day I probably wouldn’t be respondin to them, but I need something chew on.
“A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation or other designated sector of society”
That’s basically what I said.
^no, it’s not. they are not inciting hate against the mras, from what I’ve heard, they’re just quoting them. That. Is. All.
So I’m part of organizations that hate white nationalists. Are those organizations hate groups?
HAHAHA… “they did an article on us.” Us being AVfM, which puts the lie to your pro-equality schtick.
@cloudiah
according to ‘pro equality’s’ definition.
what race ethnicity religion gender or sexual orientation or sector of society is srs hating and acting violent towards.
because i’m sure that quoting is not hating or acting violent towards, and misogynistic dipshits on the internet are not a designated sector of society
@Pro-Equality MRA
Weird that the SPLC overlooked SRS, which is just some random section of reddit, while including r/mensrights, the section of reddit for a movement in its infancy.
And no, SRS is not a hate group. I’d be interested in hearing why you think so, though.
Here I am. Denying it. And waiting for some sort of rationale beyond “they say mean things about me when I say shit.”
For those following along at home, here’s Glenn Sacks inciting people to bombard a DV shelter with phone calls because he didn’t like their advertisements.
And we have a goddamn tag for r/mr, but have a few highlights from the last month. I particularly like when a post gets deleted for saying that they shouldn’t tolerate misogyny.
“So I’m part of organizations that hate white nationalists. Are those organizations hate groups?”
No, because that’s a voluntary organization/a belief. Hating an ORGANIZATION doesn’t make you a hate group.
*Sigh*
“This isn’t actually true. They just did an article on us.”
SRS posts original articles now? Huh.
“Also, ShitRedditSays is some random community on Reddit, they’re not on the SPLC’s radar. But if they were movement-sized, they’ probably make it on the list. This isn’t really deniable.”
Oh my god, please tell me you’re still in grade school. If you presented that on a talk show forum, Jon Stewart would be lampooning your ass the next day. SRS snarks about shit other people post.
You gotta be 14, tops. That kind of false equivalency is just silly.
Damn, even Wiki knows the meaning:
“A common way for this fallacy to be perpetuated is one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. The pattern of the fallacy is often as such: If A is the set of c and d, and B is the set of d and e, then since they both contain d, A and B are equal. It should be noted though that d existing in both sets is not required, only a passing similarity is required to cause this fallacy to be able to be used.
The following statements are examples of false equivalence:[citation needed]
“They’re both soft, cuddly pets. There’s no difference between a cat and a dog.”
“Marijuana and alcohol are both drugs. A gram is about the same as three bottles. If you think one should be (il)legal, you should think the same of the other.”
“We’re all born naked. We’re all no different from each other.”
@katz
O_O wow he sounds like an ass. This was ‘pro-equality’s’ reasonable mra?
… MRAs are an organization
“Oh my god, please tell me you’re still in grade school. If you presented that on a talk show forum, Jon Stewart would be lampooning your ass the next day. SRS snarks about shit other people post.”
Well, *in addition* (and especially in their “serious” sections) SRS condones and advocates hatred against straight white men. So yes, again, by definition, they are a hate group. The hate group can justify its existence through whatever means, but they’re still a hate group.
*hahahahhaaha*
Okay, show proof that SRS condones hate against straight white men. ANd no “it is undeniable” Just quote or link ffs
“Weird that the SPLC overlooked SRS, which is just some random section of reddit, while including r/mensrights, the section of reddit for a movement in its infancy.”
They included r/mensrights as part of a larger internet movement. If r/mensrights was all there was, they would not have caught the SPLC’s attention.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I see no difference between these two definitions. Because hating is always identical to advocating and practicing hostility or violence.
Pathetic. Goes without saying that we need to ensure the MRM is invalidated, out-argued, out-lobbied, and outpaced at every turn (hopefully they do this to themselves to save time). They are distracting from the real problems of men and that’s the ultimate tragedy. The MRM is not in the interests of men or women.
and, um…misogynist is a voluntary thing. Though I don’t think hating a voluntary thing is okay (if people chose to be gay it still wouldn’t be okay to be homophobic). It’s what they do, people hate white nationalist groups because they’re hateful and racist. We mock misogynists because they are hateful and sexist. Racism/sexism/ other isms, aren’t just ‘saying bad things about one group’ it’s got a lot to do with history, and trying to hold people back, or dehumanize them, which makes it a heck of a lot easier for everyone to brush of hate crimes. (I hope this is making sense…) Like, if I said I think we should question why men have the right to vote because they’re ruled by their hormones or whatever (clarifying for troll boy, I do think they should vote, and I do not think they are ‘ruled by their hormones’. It is an example) It’d be a super jerkish thing to say, but it doesn’t have the same history as ‘why did we give women the right to vote, they’re so emotional.’ Almost the same sentiment, history different, neither should be said but they aren’t really equivilents.
Did that make any sense, non-troll people? (not trusting a troll on it). I really should sleep…
Citation deeply needed.
“Okay, show proof that SRS condones hate against straight white men. ANd no “it is undeniable” Just quote or link ffs”
http://i.imgur.com/2epbNOF.png
(Tip of the hat to SRSsucks)
“Well, *in addition* (and especially in their “serious” sections) SRS condones and advocates hatred against straight white men. So yes, again, by definition, they are a hate group. The hate group can justify its existence through whatever means, but they’re still a hate group.”
Show me.
Otherwise, I think you’re just angry people are mocking straight white dudes who happen to say fucked-up things.
@Pro-Equality MRA:
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Alright, even apart from the fact that they did a survey of people’s ethnicities and gender and so forth, and a majority of them were white men (or at least, a large percentage)… They pretend to hate straight white men because everywhere else in the world hates on non-SWASCM (straight white able STEM cis men, I think) folks. They do it to give white men a taste of what white men have dealt out for the rest of history.
And they get called a hate group because of it. Kinda playing into their hands right there.
@’pro equality’
Okay, most of those seemed like ranting or w/e, but one was just like pointing out the hobbit had an all white cast….
I’m not seeing people inciting hate here…
“Because hating is always identical to advocating and practicing hostility or violence.”
I’d say condoning hatred is tantamount to practicing hostility.