And so the MRAs have found yet another woman to hate.
Earlier this month, as many of you no doubt know, a Men’s Rights group sponsored a lecture at the University of Toronto. The event drew protesters, and the protesters drew MRAs with video cameras. One of the MRAs filmed a confrontation between a red-haired feminist activist and a number of MRAs who continually interrupted her as she tried to read a brief statement.
Her crime? She wasn’t exactly polite in responding to the interrupters. And so, after video of the confrontation was uploaded to YouTube, and linked to on the Men’s Rights subreddit and elsewhere, she became a virtual punching bag for the angry misogynists of the internet.
A Voice for Men, naturally, led the charge, running an article by Canadian MRA Dan Perrins labeling her “Little red frothing fornication mouth” and commenting on her breasts. The Amazing Atheist weighed in with a video I couldn’t bring myself to even watch.
Since being targeted by angry YouTube misogynists and MRAs, the red-haired activist has received death threats, rape threats and literally hundreds of other hateful and harassing messages. She’s also been “doxxed” — that is, she’s had her personal information plastered all over the internet, including on A Voice for Men’s forum. Ten days after being uploaded to YouTube, the video of her faceoff against the MRAs has garnered more than 300,000 views, and YouTubers are still leaving threats and insults and crude sexual comments.
This, apparently, is what “Men’s Human Rights Activism” consists of: the doxxing and harassment of individual women.
Several days ago, she contacted me to tell me about the harassment she’s endured. Here’s some of what she wrote:
I’m the red-head. I’m sure by now, you’re one of the 260,000 people who have seen the video of me … .
Because I had the audacity to tell a dude to stfu, an MRA no less, I have since been the target of not only just online misogyny (as if that’s a surprise) but cyber stalking, rape and death threats. They somehow found my facebook, they found my tumblr, they found a twitter acct that I don’t even use, they even found an old [dating site] profile of mine with outdated info …
I also got an anonymous message on tumblr that specifically said “[name deleted] would be disappointed”. [Name deleted] is my dog that died 1.5 years ago, I don’t talk about him on tumblr, nor fb, so they would have had to reaaaaalllly dig to find this info. …
In about 12-24hours, I got about400-500 new messages on my blog, most of them hate, which included rape and death threats, also people wishing death upon me or the typical troll “kill yourself” message. They made a meme of me.
I dunno how many haters I have, and I don’t know where they are. I can’t be sure at any given second, if I’m ever outside my house … if anyone is going to recognize me and try to hurt me.
With her permission, I am reposting screenshots she sent me documenting some of the harassment she’s endured. Even though her personal information has already been widely disseminated online, I don’t want to contribute to that, so I’ve whited out any information that might reveal her identity.
TRIGGER WARNING for what follows, for threatening language and crude sexual remarks.
Here’s a death threat she received from someone claiming to represent the “Islamic Brotherhood.”
Here are some sample comments from her Tumblr inbox. I’ve whited out comments and parts of comments that consist of her contact info, which being sent to her in an attempt to intimidate and frighten her by letting her know they “know where she lives.”
Here’s another threatening comment sent to her via Tumblr:
Here are some comments sent to her via her YouTube account. You’ll notice that the second comment comes from AVFM’s Dan Perrins, who is clearly relishing the attacks on her.
And another glimpse into her YouTube inbox:
Here’s a screenshot from a Men’s Rights forum revealing her personal information.
Meanwhile, over on YouTube, the hateful comments continue to pile up. Here are some of the nastiest ones I’ve collected. I am deliberately posting a lot of them in an attempt to convey something of the relentless nature of the attacks on teh red-haired activist — though I should note I’ve only gone through a small portion of the total comments there and this doesn’t even reflect all of the awful ones I found. These are not in any particular order. I threw in a few non-threatening ones that struck me as a tad ironic or otherwise revealing.
Again, this is only a small fraction of the abuse she’s gotten on YouTube.
This is what happens when MRAs and other misogynists target a woman online. The only thing that’s surprising here is the sheer amount of the hateful comments.
I’ve seen no serious attempts from any MRAs to rein in this sort of hatred. A Voice for Men has tried to distance itself in a superficial way from some of the harassment it has played a central role in unleashing, with an official announcement asking readers to refrain from posting the personal information of the red-haired activist in the comments. Meanwhile, in the AVFM forum, comments linking to her defunct dating profiles remain up.
This is what MRA “activism” looks like.
Coming tomorrow: A more detailed look at AVFM’s role in the harassment.
A quick scan of Clint’s blog shows the usual MRM talking points, so his claim to not be a part of the movement rings a bit false.
I’m not saying I support them, I just said their movement was growing wings! Jeez!
I’m a lurker who supports them in e-mail, lay off!
@David Futrelle “Doug, there’s a link to her dating profiles *still up* on the AVFM forum.”
The dating profile that I saw there doesn’t exist anymore. No dating profile, no link to it.
“I whited out all references to her name and other identifying info on the images I posted. (I missed a couple of iterations of her name on one image, but have rectified that.) ”
Nope. Her name is still up there in your post. Look for the “a. k. a.” part.
“AVFM may not be doxxing her openly on its main site, but it helped to unleash all this by demonizing her in the first place.”
AVfM has no responsibility to protect her. She’s not a child. They can write opinions about her behavior, that’s their perogative. In fact, if they were protecting her, they would act in a traditionally masculine way by protecting her just because she was a woman. Neither feminists nor MHRAs want that (I’m taking both of them at their word). NO MHRA would get any sort of protection from feminists or anyone else on YouTube if they red a list and called people names as she did.
On top of that, as I understand it, the first videos on YouTube of her appeared BEFORE any articles got posted by AVfM. Far less people read the opinion articles at AVfM than watch videos on YouTube. The videos of her on YouTube are what unleashed the response to her in the first place.
Also, I don’t know who said it here, but someone I think said that male abortion consists of an MHRA idea as if only MHRAs have believed that. That is simply NOT true. Male abortion also consists of an idea that feminists have endorsed:
“Karen DeCrow, former president of the National Organization for Women, writes: “If a woman makes a unilateral decision to bring a pregnancy to term, and the biological father does not, and cannot, share in this decision, he should not be liable for 21 years of support … autonomous women making independent decisions about their lives should not expect men to finance their choice.” http://www.fathers4kids.com/html/FathersRights.htm?article_id=38
“In fact, none other than Karen DeCrow, former president of the National Organization for Women, was quoted as saying that “men should not automatically have to pay for a child they don’t want. It’s the only logical feminist position to take.” http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/Misc/rrights.html
Why are the trolls so boring today?
“The MRM is winning! There message is getting out because of the very protesters that tried to stifle them!”
*various rape threats, death threats, angry bitter hatred, gendered insults, doxxing*
Yup, the MRM sure is getting their message out. What a win.
Doug: please read earlier posts, that quote is 40 fucking years old. Got any new shit supporting that? Because I don’t see any feminists in 2013 supporting that.
Notice how none of the doofs that have come here all “It’s bad BUUUUT….” have had the courage of their convictions to say they support what these men are doing? Some part of them knows this shit is wrong.
Someone in the MRM must have recently unearthed this Karen DeCrow quote, since now they’re all using it. This is not quite the “gotcha” you dudes think it is.
omy gosh, doug, read the earlier stuff on this very trhead about how paper abortions are not equivilant to real aboritons
Maybe it’s finally dawned on them that being assholes in public is a bad idea?
. . . Nah.
Is DeCrow the new Solanas? They’re sloooooooooowly working their way to the 21st century.
Wait, that’s doug’s shtick atm? I was too bored to read.
Anyway doug, we like just had this conversation.
And the MRM is now closely associated with death/rape threats and doxxing, and Clint thinks that’s a win. Of course, like most MRAs, Clint also has no understanding of what FREEZE PEACH actually is in real life, or that it includes opposing viewpoints getting to hold protests opposing events put on by their political opponents.
I ask again, why are MRAs such fragile little flowers that they melt in the face of people yelling at them. I’m glad the early feminists had stronger backbones.
Okay, I’ve been holding off for a bit earlier today, and just checked the thread again.
David: Is being a libelous, lying shit-spewing weasel-fucker sufficient grounds for banning? Because if so, please ban Clintiskeen.
Clint claims that the young woman in question ‘incited’ people to commit a felony–to-wit, the pulling of the fire alarm. As his ‘proof’, he offers a video which clearly shows the young woman in question… leaning against a locker, repeating the protest group’s chants, and looking as surprised as everyone else when the alarm goes off. While it’s true that AFTER THE FUCKING FACT, she did cheer in a bit of schadenfreude, Clint’s contention that she ‘incited’ anything, let alone a felony, is contravened by his own evidence.
To everyone else: Until such time as David has a chance to respond to this request, I recommend that any further post to clinty be a C&P of this:
Clint, you’re a proven libelous lying shit-spewing weasel-fucker, so anything else you say is irrelevant. Good day.
“Yup, the MRM sure is getting their message out. What a win.”
You’re cherry-picked elements of the MRM. Also, I actually don’t think it’s deniable that the MRM is in fact growing, and some of the (more reasonable) talking points are gaining traction.
They’re still playing the “some feminist said this one thing this one time, so they must all think that way” game.
freemage, aren’t you aware that feminists can actually incite things after they happen? It’s one of the things we do with our hivemind. The other is organizing kickass misandry parties.
Freemage:
Nice turn of phrase, I’m down with that response to Clint.
cloudiah: I didn’t know the hivemind could do that. Did I miss an upgrade?
Freemage: ditto, I like that response.
hellkell and cloudiah, office congrats! ::high fives::
Trust these trolls to try gatecrashing our party.
hellkell, I’ll send you the patch to make sure you have the latest version of the hivemind. Contains advance 4chan repellent and the ability to immediately come up with the perfect sardonic response to any misogynistic remarks.
Oh gah, there’s yet another MRA spouting off above. Are you guys tag teaming? I’m making dinner, so the rest of you have fun with him.
Dear God. How much more circular could the trolls be?
@cloudiah
I’ll try to see if this troll is more fun than the last 😀
@pro equality mra that supposedly exists
I don’t suppose you’d be able to help anyone find a site or two of these more reasonable mras? Or say what your supposedly reasonable points are. Your comment right now doesn’t have much substance, just a claim with no evidence.
The cherry picking accusation again? Get some new material.
Thanks for the patch, cloudiah. Have a good dinner.