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Antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey bravely tells Redditors that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”

How Erin Pizzey imagines most middle-class whtie women live, apparently
How Erin Pizzey imagines most feminists live, apparently

Longtime antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey recently did an “Ask Me Anything” session on Reddit. Here are some highlights — by which I mean lowlights — from her answers.

Ms. Pizzey wants to ban feminism as a hate movement:

Personally, I would like to see the feminist movement described as a hate movement, so that we can then ban them from the government, from university faculties, from anywhere where they can destroy the minds of young women and men.

It’s just a teensy bit ironic, I would say, that she characterizes feminism as a hate movement at the very same time that A Voice for Men, a site she has very publicly aligned herself with, is leading a hate campaign against an individual feminist activist. (More on this to come tomorrow.) Indeed, Pizzey herself adds to the vilification of the activist here.

And speaking of A Voice for Men, she apparently agrees with AVFM’s Paul Elam that feminists are only interested in the issue of rape because they have rape fantasies and are angry that they’re not getting enough attention from men:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Yeah, I’m thinking that Dworkin’s “obsession” with rape might have had less to do with her wanting “attention” from men than it did with the fact that she had been raped.

In response to a question about using Title IX to increase the number of women in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM), Pizzey argues that most women’s brains aren’t equipped to handle all that sciencey stuff, and that most women would rather be raising children:

what will happen is that a few women will come out of that world in those areas that suit men’s brains better than women’s, and do well, but most of them won’t, and they’ll just leave and go on to other professions or to have children or family. That’s what’s been happening all the time when they’ve had quotas.

But what about the men who get excluded because of that? That’s the tragedy isn’t it, and the waste of money. Harriet Harman has proposed quotas for women in parliament, quotas for women in all the high-status fields, and women have flocked in but do not want the gruelling hours that men are willing to put into their professions because most of them–MOST of them–want to be spending time with their children at home, and that God for that.

Pizzey believes that most feminists are “mental patents” who deserve only condescension:

Personally, I don’t get into arguments with mental patients, which is what most feminist women are. Look at them with pity and compassion if you can, speak the truth as you know it.

But if you want a real reaction, pat her on the head and tell her not to worry her pretty little head about it. That’s what I do! I think men have to start using their sense of humor as a weapon. You must get past any sense of anger when you do such things though!

She believes most prominent second-wave feminists were feminists mainly because they hated their dads:

One of the early mantras of the feminist movement was to make the personal political. Therefore, those women who had bitter and violent experiences of the first male their lives (e.g. their father) then branded all men as violent and dangerous. They are also what I call the walking wounded. As far as I’m concerned the prominent feminists of the day virtually all had appalling relationships with their fathers. So if feminism grew out of a justified sense of grievance, and created a platform where they did not attempt to heal their own damage, but to project onto all men… so yes it’s very cultlike that way. But it’s any cult group that works that way, they all have either a figure they adore or a hate object that keeps them together. And their hate is against men, even when they deny it.

Yes, that’s right, she says all this and somehow does not notice the hatred of women amongst the MRAs she’s aligned herself with.

While she dismisses feminists with “daddy issues” she urges those who have been abused by their parents to forget the abuse they’ve endured, forgive their abusers and “move on.”

[T]each yourself that the past is truly the past, it is done and you cannot change it, all it is is a loop in your brain that needs to be closed down so that you can move forward. Because those patterns are deep within you, it takes a lot of hard work, but in the end you FORGIVE YOURSELF and you FORGIVE YOUR PARENTS and move on.

Meanwhile, she thinks that it makes sense for men who don’t like feminism to “head for the hills” and Go Their Own Way.

It was many years ago I was talking to a very eligible bachelor, who was a lawyer, and asked him about American feminists. He laughed and he said “what they never banked on was that men would get together and take to the hills.” This is where that expression comes from. He and his male friends would get together and have a wonderful time, they did not make permanent relationships with women, because they realized they would have too much to lose: their homes, their children, and their money. I always remember this. When 40 year old feminists complain that they can’t find any men to commit themselves, why is it men’s fault? I can’t blame men who feel this way in today’s legal environment. If the so-called women’s movement, the feminists, want men, they have to care equally about men’s desires and men’s need for protection.

This sort of makes sense, given that Pizzey seems to live in an imaginary world in which women, not men, are the truly privileged.

The actual irony of this situation is there is nothing more privileged than white middle class women, who are most of feminists. Very very privileged, because they know when they are born that either the state or a man will take care of them if they do not choose their own career. Men on the other hand are born underprivileged, particularly now, even as small boys they are demonized and discriminated against. …

 I cannot see how sane sensible educated intelligent woman can consider that men are privileged. It has always been rich and middle class women who have been protected, and they are the truly privileged.

Indeed, she’s managed to convince herself that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”

Naturally, all of her comments were happily upvoted by the Reddit masses, and her “Ask Me Anything” post itself got more than 1200 upvotes. Evidently pandering to Reddit’s collective fantasies about the oppression of men pays off big in the upvote department.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

What, your childhood didn’t indoctrinate you in the gentle folkways of competitive door-slamming?

cloudiah
7 years ago

Geography story: In high school, a classmate of mine once raised her hand in a lecture to ask “Where exactly is South America?” The same classmate once replied to someone who said her parents were “halfway around the world” (on a work trip to Japan) to say, “That’s nothing. My father has been three quarters of the way around the world!” We spent some time with a globe trying to show her that would mean he was only one quarter of the way around the world, but she never quite got it. However, her family was filthy rich, so I figure she’s probably done okay.

Shadow
Shadow
7 years ago

Also, there’s only place they make Spanish food. It’s called Spain.

LOLLLLLLLL. Does that mean getting a cheeseburger in Spain is getting Spanish food?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

My favorite coming-to-America story is when I told my new classmates that I was from Scotland and one of them said “oh, is that in England?”.

Them’s fighting words.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I enjoy thinking about life in contrast to your average North American. The ego kick is huge let me tell you. Proper man ego stuff. Can’t help it.

Sad way to get a thrill, but you strike me as a sad man.

You think Africa is one country, so I won’t be taking your thoughts on the average N. American seriously.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

Ah, the broken noses of Tradition and the joys of flat faces. Door slamming is great!

@Umfhweto:

So you’ve gone from “I don’t understand Feminism” to “My mother is awesome” to “I’m African, and stepping in front of women is tradition” to “I’m going to Japan!” to “Ego trip! I love myself”?

… Huh.

Fade
7 years ago

Who should I compare myself to to feel better? I need egokicks, too. 😛

/JK

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Compare yourself to Umfweto, Fade, and revel in the fact you’re not an asshole.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

There’s also Brz over in the other thread if you need another little boost.

reginaldgriswold
reginaldgriswold
7 years ago

Uh-oh. Hope I don’t run into Umfweto in Japan.

Umfweto
Umfweto
7 years ago

@CassandraSays

“It is indeed common among world travelers to believe that “Africa” is a country and all the parts thereof share the same cultural traditions.”

Yes indeed.

I am from Southern Africa. My homeland is mostly populated by the Bantu speaking people who migrated from the Nigerian delta about 900 years ago. Bantu people share a common ancestry with people from the more Northern parts of Africa and have very similar cultural norms.

Bantu people however have split in to many sub-cultures. So like in Europe (where people are from different cultural norms) they share a lot of common ancestry and although they speak a multitude of different languages all of their languages have have communality with the original Bantu language (like European languages and Latin).

I learnt Zulu, Sotho and Northern Sotho at school. All three are Bantu languages. Zulu was my favourite, it’s the French of Africa 🙂 My county of birth has 32 official languages. It’s wonderful and multi-cultural and I am so happy for the time I spent there.

“World traveler”. Ah that’s a sweet way of looking at it. Like on the movies right?

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

You will know him by the way everyone around him is backing away with a slight frown.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Does anyone have any troll repellant I can borrow? The Off, it does nothing.

Fade
7 years ago

So, in which culture is it customary to rush in front of women when they’re walking to the door, or however you described it?

Wait… all european languages have latin in common? Or do you just mean most? Because I am doubtful at most, but I KNOW all has got to be not true.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I doubt you’ll be running into him in Japan.

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

That, and an astounding murder rate and a fascinating history involving nuclear weapons – which I actually mean. First country to abandon its own nuclear research after achieving the possibility of building a complete bomb.
Very impressive, that. *Not* taking the nuclear plunge.

See? Random information! It’s not just for blathering on about your own life!

Shadow
Shadow
7 years ago

@Cassandra

No, unfortunately I got the African conditioning of sprinting in front of women to open doors. I did watch on enviously as some of the expats gleefully broke noses left and right

Fade
7 years ago

Ooh, are we having a random info dump time?

Did you know that the spanish word for church, iglesia, comes from the greek word for church, εκκλησία (ecclisia) via latin?

This proves that I am Greek.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Fuck MRA’s Shit Up Carrot Salad
I have never tried writing this one down but here goes.
(I use the food processor for the whole thing.)

Chop about 1/3 bunch of parsley (remove the bottom part of the stems first).
Hate men
Grate 4-6 good size carrots (after a while you’ll get to know how many to do based on what you get in the end)
Hate men

Demonize Men’s Sexuality Vinaigrette:
2-3 cloves of garlic, finely chopped
1/2 to 3/4 tsp Dijon mustard
1/2 tsp salt
freshly ground black pepper
1/4 Cup balsamic vinegar
1/2 Cup good olive oil

Tell men they aren’t allowed to stare at boobs.
Stir or shake vigorously all ingredients (I make it in a small jar with a lid).
Tell adult men they shouldn’t sexually pursue pre-teen girls.
Adjust ingredient amounts to suit your taste.
Tell men to stop cat-calling and groping women on the street.
Toss carrots with dressing.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

It was cute the way UmBoring was bagging on the woman who’s been all over the U.S. Only someone who’s never done it would look down on it, just like his food snottery. This place is fucking huge.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I have this sneaking suspicion that a. it’s Pell o’clock and b. the closest our not-so-new friend has ever come to experiencing other cultures is singing the Chiquita banana song.

katz
7 years ago

That’s how I cook too. It’s one of the reasons I don’t like baking – don’t like measuring things, and with baking it’s not such a great idea to just eyeball it or go by smell/texture/instinct.

I bake all the time that way! Try making cookies like this:

Blend a stick of softened butter or margarine, or a mixture of butter/margarine and peanut butter or applesauce, with some sugar or honey. Add an egg. Mix a couple of cups of flour (white or a mixture of white and wheat) and a small spoonful of baking powder and add to the wet ingredients, or else add less flour and some rolled oats. Or substitute molasses for the sugar and/or yogurt for the butter/peanut butter/applesauce and use baking soda instead of baking powder. Add more sugar if it’s not sweet enough. Add more flour if it’s too sticky. If you want to roll it out, keep adding flour until it’s a rolling consistency and then roll it out and cut out shapes. Otherwise, mix in chocolate chips, raisins, candied ginger, or whatever else you want, if you like, and drop it onto a baking sheet. Bake at 350, check it starting at 10 minutes, and take them out whenever they are getting golden around the edges.

If the cookies are hard, dry, and biscuity, you used too much flour. If they’re way too flat and get burned around the edges, you used too much butter or margarine. If they taste too bitter, you used too much baking soda or baking powder. You can adjust from there.

Umfweto
Umfweto
7 years ago

@Fade

“So, in which culture is it customary to rush in front of women when they’re walking to the door, or however you described it?”

In much of African culture. It’s a chivalry thing. I almost don’t want to tell you why because it seems so backwards to the Western version of chivalry. In some parts of Africa when an African dude jumps in front of you and let’s himself in first he’s being a “white knight”…

Think about. Cold night on the African Savannah, Lion gets cold and finds a nice warm hut to stay warm in… Traditionally in Africa, the man must walk in first to make sure there are no wild animals inside the hut that would attack the woman and the children.

“Wait… all european languages have latin in common? Or do you just mean most? Because I am doubtful at most, but I KNOW all has got to be not true.”

I guess I mean most. Hard to define Europe these days. And then there’s the crazy English language that is backwards compared to most other latin based lannguage. But that’s because English is Germanic with latin influence. Unless you are my Scottish father who speaks a very heavy version f latin based English and I dunno what the hell he’s saying sometimes.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Thing is, though, when I just go with the way things look/smell with cooking the end results still taste good. I would resent it if my cookies came out terrible.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

The Greek language is totally based on Latin. I mean, isn’t it obvious?

Fade
7 years ago

n much of African culture. It’s a chivalry thing. I almost don’t want to tell you why because it seems so backwards to the Western version of chivalry. I

Um, so it would be easy to provide an example?

Also, all versions of chivalry are backwards.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Umfweto, do you have an Uncle Monty? Morning height?

cloudiah
7 years ago

This place is fucking huge.

Seriously. And geographically, culturally, and culinarily (that’s a word) diverse.

katz
7 years ago

Cassandra, most of my cookies come out good with this technique. If the dough tastes good and is a nice doughy texture, odds are the cookies will be tasty too.

Shadow
Shadow
7 years ago

I guess I mean most

Which would still be incorrect. Slavic languages aren’t rooted in Latin, neither are Germanic languages nor Scandinavian languages

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Too much butter? There is such a thing?

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I guess I mean most. Hard to define Europe these days.

Uh-huh, sure. Backpedal harder.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Mr C and I were talking about food snobbery and US food culture the other day. I’ve seen a lot of sneering at Southern food among foodies because of the perception that it’s high in fat and calories (unlike, say, French food – oh no, that’s all super healthy), but honestly I don’t remember ever having a truly bad meal in the South. People are totally projecting ideas about class and regional prejudices onto the food.

katz
7 years ago

And it’s definitely Pell O’Clock.

Umfweto
Umfweto
7 years ago

@CassandraSays

“I have this sneaking suspicion that a. it’s Pell o’clock and b. the closest our not-so-new friend has ever come to experiencing other cultures is singing the Chiquita banana song.”

On wie praat jy messie kind? Se jy dat ek kuk praat?

What is the Chiquita banana song? On special at Wall Mart?

I have to go to LA for work in July. I fucking hate LA. It’s like Johannesburg but a million times more materialist.

I have been all over the State, you get the worst holiday time and it’s so mono-cultural. Overall I like the place, but if you have an EU passport why would you swap Jamón Ibérico for Macdonalds right?

Someone here mentioned produce is produce no matter where it’s from.

Bwa ha ha…

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Depends on where you are. I’ve noticed a distinct willingness on the part of a lot of restaurants here to get cute (make it fusion or whatever) with what could have been great basic Southern food.

Fade
7 years ago

I guess I mean most

Which would still be incorrect. Slavic languages aren’t rooted in Latin, neither are Germanic languages nor Scandinavian languages

My (so far) two seconds of google backs this up. BUt I love learning about languages, so I will probably check out more.

katz
7 years ago

Hard to define Europe these days.

As opposed to that time when it was totally obvious where the borders of Europe were.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Umfweto, I mean Pell: I said that you can get all sorts of produce here, not that produce is produce. Learn to fucking read, dipshit.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

This is Pell, he’s starting to get melty.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

We should write him a song.

Pell, oh Pell, why are you so batshit?
Pell, oh Pell, why do you keep coming here?
Pell’s mom, why haven’t you cut off his internet access yet?

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I alway think that Pell runs to his computer whenever his caretaker turns away for half a second and logs on and comes here.

Fade
7 years ago

On wie praat jy messie kind? Se jy dat ek kuk praat?

I mean, Is this supposed to prove that your cultured. Porque puedo hablar suficiente bien español, pero estoy segura que no sé mucho de las culturas de Latinoamérica o España.

Επίσης μπορώ να γράφω μερικά ελληνκά. Αν και ξερώ μερικά τραγούδια ελληνικά και ελληνικές παράδοσες, δεν είναι επειδή μιλώ η γλώσσα. Είναι επειδή οι συγγενής μου κατάγουνται στα ελληνικά.

/don’t trust my grammar on the greek, I’m a first year student and I’m not afraid to prove it!

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

He always reminds me of the Dan Quayle quote where he asked why people don’t speak Latin in Latin America.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Destroy All Men Avocado, Poblano Pepper and Corn Soup

Peel and chop two haas avocados, medium sized, and place them inside your food processor, which you’ve forced your sugar-daddy to buy for you.
Add salt, pepper, about 3/4 cup buttermilk, 1/2 cup whipping cream, and 1 cup milk, while wearing a t-shirt with the slogan “Boys are stupid. Throw rocks at them.”
While listening to Bikini Kill, blend until smooth, then transfer to medium pot.
Remove kernels from an ear of corn, and cut thin strips from a poblano. While your fingers are still spicy from the pepper, stick them in a man’s nostrils.
Mix the soup base, the corn and poblano, butter, some chicken or veggie stock and a bit more milk, and let simmer while stirring often, completely ignoring the male suicide rate.
Once the corn is tender, remove from heat and let rest for just a couple of minutes. While it’s resting, go outside and rip down a few men’s rights posters.
Season, serve, garnish (sliced red onion, cilantro) if you want, and enjoy, seated on a hard chair at a table with a scented fucking candle.

Shadow
Shadow
7 years ago

@Fade

I’m not too knowledgeable about languages, but the idea that Latin is the root of most European languages is ridiculous on the face of it, because the Romans didn’t conquer all of Europe nor did they wipe out the languages of the peoples that they conquered.

@Cassandra

I adore Southern food, and I hate that I don’t have easy access to it

Fibinachi
Fibinachi
7 years ago

Pfh, we’re doing languages now?

Perdon, pero mi espanol es muy malo y creo un dialogue en la idioma sin un idea terribla.

Eller, burde vi ikke bare holde us til at drille folk?

( Låt oss hålla fast vid hånfulla människor. )

Weil es einfacher ist, beim Thema zu bleiben.

And… uh… I… I’m done. I only speak five languages. And one of those don’t really count.

katz
7 years ago

The combination of making outrageous sweeping claims and an inability to admit to being wrong about any of them is very Pell. For instance, I would totally let the romance-language thing slide as meaning “there are a lot of Latin-based languages in Europe,” but no, then he’s got to double down on it. And by even a very casual estimate, there are probably fewer than ten widely-spoken Romance languages in Europe, as opposed to a good thirty-odd non-Romance languages.

Umfweto
Umfweto
7 years ago

@Fade

Germanic languages are not rooted in Latin (like I already said) but did you know you speak a Germanic Language with a heavy latin influence?

Anyway, I was describing to you my education in Africa but you have Google which obvioulsy supersedes any real lived experience I am trying to describe.

Thank god for Google. We can all just stay safely in our cages now.

@katz

“As opposed to that time when it was totally obvious where the borders of Europe were.”

That time has never existed. But us people in Europe (piece of land not part of America) now define Europe in a political sense and a geographical sense. So if you live in Europe (piece of land not part of America) it makes sense to say, “hard to define what Europe is these days”.

You see when you vote for your President and your political parties what you get defines your political life. What we vote for in Europe is separate from that. And because our continent is currently undergoing massive geo-political change we say things like “it’s hard to define what Europe is these days”

You see, you look at a map, we actually live here.

IS this proving difficult for you? Would you lie a break?

Fade
7 years ago

@Fibinachi

“only”. 😛

Out of curiosity, what languages were there. I recognized Spanish, and I think the last one is german, but I couldn’t tell the middle two.