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Antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey bravely tells Redditors that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”

How Erin Pizzey imagines most middle-class whtie women live, apparently
How Erin Pizzey imagines most feminists live, apparently

Longtime antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey recently did an “Ask Me Anything” session on Reddit. Here are some highlights — by which I mean lowlights — from her answers.

Ms. Pizzey wants to ban feminism as a hate movement:

Personally, I would like to see the feminist movement described as a hate movement, so that we can then ban them from the government, from university faculties, from anywhere where they can destroy the minds of young women and men.

It’s just a teensy bit ironic, I would say, that she characterizes feminism as a hate movement at the very same time that A Voice for Men, a site she has very publicly aligned herself with, is leading a hate campaign against an individual feminist activist. (More on this to come tomorrow.) Indeed, Pizzey herself adds to the vilification of the activist here.

And speaking of A Voice for Men, she apparently agrees with AVFM’s Paul Elam that feminists are only interested in the issue of rape because they have rape fantasies and are angry that they’re not getting enough attention from men:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Yeah, I’m thinking that Dworkin’s “obsession” with rape might have had less to do with her wanting “attention” from men than it did with the fact that she had been raped.

In response to a question about using Title IX to increase the number of women in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM), Pizzey argues that most women’s brains aren’t equipped to handle all that sciencey stuff, and that most women would rather be raising children:

what will happen is that a few women will come out of that world in those areas that suit men’s brains better than women’s, and do well, but most of them won’t, and they’ll just leave and go on to other professions or to have children or family. That’s what’s been happening all the time when they’ve had quotas.

But what about the men who get excluded because of that? That’s the tragedy isn’t it, and the waste of money. Harriet Harman has proposed quotas for women in parliament, quotas for women in all the high-status fields, and women have flocked in but do not want the gruelling hours that men are willing to put into their professions because most of them–MOST of them–want to be spending time with their children at home, and that God for that.

Pizzey believes that most feminists are “mental patents” who deserve only condescension:

Personally, I don’t get into arguments with mental patients, which is what most feminist women are. Look at them with pity and compassion if you can, speak the truth as you know it.

But if you want a real reaction, pat her on the head and tell her not to worry her pretty little head about it. That’s what I do! I think men have to start using their sense of humor as a weapon. You must get past any sense of anger when you do such things though!

She believes most prominent second-wave feminists were feminists mainly because they hated their dads:

One of the early mantras of the feminist movement was to make the personal political. Therefore, those women who had bitter and violent experiences of the first male their lives (e.g. their father) then branded all men as violent and dangerous. They are also what I call the walking wounded. As far as I’m concerned the prominent feminists of the day virtually all had appalling relationships with their fathers. So if feminism grew out of a justified sense of grievance, and created a platform where they did not attempt to heal their own damage, but to project onto all men… so yes it’s very cultlike that way. But it’s any cult group that works that way, they all have either a figure they adore or a hate object that keeps them together. And their hate is against men, even when they deny it.

Yes, that’s right, she says all this and somehow does not notice the hatred of women amongst the MRAs she’s aligned herself with.

While she dismisses feminists with “daddy issues” she urges those who have been abused by their parents to forget the abuse they’ve endured, forgive their abusers and “move on.”

[T]each yourself that the past is truly the past, it is done and you cannot change it, all it is is a loop in your brain that needs to be closed down so that you can move forward. Because those patterns are deep within you, it takes a lot of hard work, but in the end you FORGIVE YOURSELF and you FORGIVE YOUR PARENTS and move on.

Meanwhile, she thinks that it makes sense for men who don’t like feminism to “head for the hills” and Go Their Own Way.

It was many years ago I was talking to a very eligible bachelor, who was a lawyer, and asked him about American feminists. He laughed and he said “what they never banked on was that men would get together and take to the hills.” This is where that expression comes from. He and his male friends would get together and have a wonderful time, they did not make permanent relationships with women, because they realized they would have too much to lose: their homes, their children, and their money. I always remember this. When 40 year old feminists complain that they can’t find any men to commit themselves, why is it men’s fault? I can’t blame men who feel this way in today’s legal environment. If the so-called women’s movement, the feminists, want men, they have to care equally about men’s desires and men’s need for protection.

This sort of makes sense, given that Pizzey seems to live in an imaginary world in which women, not men, are the truly privileged.

The actual irony of this situation is there is nothing more privileged than white middle class women, who are most of feminists. Very very privileged, because they know when they are born that either the state or a man will take care of them if they do not choose their own career. Men on the other hand are born underprivileged, particularly now, even as small boys they are demonized and discriminated against. …

 I cannot see how sane sensible educated intelligent woman can consider that men are privileged. It has always been rich and middle class women who have been protected, and they are the truly privileged.

Indeed, she’s managed to convince herself that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”

Naturally, all of her comments were happily upvoted by the Reddit masses, and her “Ask Me Anything” post itself got more than 1200 upvotes. Evidently pandering to Reddit’s collective fantasies about the oppression of men pays off big in the upvote department.

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Tina
Tina
7 years ago

“they did not make permanent relationships with women, because they realized they would have too much to lose: their homes, their children, and their money.” Um…?

I don’t even know what to say…

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Bwahahahaha, Owly being true to form!

He could never sock, that bloke. His, ah, issues, are all too close to the surface.

Qocheedy
Qocheedy
7 years ago

Also, her asking abuse victims to forgive their abusers is one of the most disgusting things I’ve read this week.

Right up there with her asking abuse victims to forgive themselves — which, under all the New Age fuzziness, is really just a way of telling abuse victims to blame themselves, because why they hell else would they need forgiveness?

Qocheedy
Qocheedy
7 years ago

The first paragraph in the comment above should be blockquoted. (Damn, my third comment here and I fucked up the blockquotes already!)

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
7 years ago

I hate the “you’re a feminist cos you hated your father!” idea – because my dad was super awesome (not perfect, he was close to a functional alcoholic, but never violent) and has raised two feminist daughters and four feminist sons. My dad was a good guy, who mostly managed not to pass on the shittiness from his own father (who passed it on from WWII)

becausescience
becausescience
7 years ago

@Bahumbugi: May all the asshole jerk exes of the world be stranded on a tiny, barren desert island, surrounded by a sea of Legos that stretches as far as the eye can see.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

WeeBoy: Yeah, I don’t hate my dad. He’s pretty awesome, and quite the feminist his own self. I would love for one of these MRA knobs to call HIM a mangina.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

My dad is everything that society thinks a man should be, and he did a pretty good job of raising a feminist daughter.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

legos and cactus comments make me feel better.

i like the lice idea.

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

@weeboy et al. –

my partner is not only the son of an abusive douchey dad, but also a programmer. and a feminist. and that’s real.

if guys touch my ass or grab me in bars (which i virtually never go to, fortunately) i try to punch them/do punch them, as does my sister. and then we tell the bouncers. who kick them out. MISANDRY! MISANDRY! MISANDRY!

bahumbugi
bahumbugi
7 years ago

also i’m going to watch tv and pass out, but if anyone hasn’t played around with the genderswap app, and is bored, its pretty entertaining. it’s an app that will replace all pronouns, also will replace feminism with masculism, misandry with misogyny, i believe.

http://hooplaha.com/corgi-puppy-vs-tennis-ball/

corgis for all. best part of having a dog in a dog-dense urban area is getting to mush on OTHER PEOPLE’S DOGS. like corgis. oh my goodness. and a tiny bulldog who i found out is 55 lbs. other dogs her size would be about 15-20. THE DENSITY OF THE BULLDOG. i hugged her.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

I love seeing dogs out and about too, bahumbugi! The park I walk through going to work has lots of dogs out for walks, and it’s great fun seeing them playing. 🙂

Carleyblue
Carleyblue
7 years ago

Urgh, I’ve got to say, this stuff has been really frustrating to me lately. I just don’t get it, and I hate the fact that I can’t get away from it. So I need to say some things.

My mother says misogynistic stuff all the time, really vile, awful stuff sometimes. That there are too many young women in university, that they waste space. As someone doing a PhD, how do you think that makes me feel? Once she said to me, after I told her about the person with the highest marks in our class, ‘it’s a guy, right? It always is.’ I took great pleasure in telling her it wasn’t*. Then there is one of my best female friends, who is constantly saying how men should be in charge of everything, and chides me if she thinks I have been to mean to one of my male acquaintances, since if men are criticised by women, they fall apart completely. And then don’t get me started on what some of my male friends say. I know that in my mother’s case, it is partly self-hate, that these people all care about me, that it’s nothing personal, blah blah blah. But I’m so tired of it: Is there never any hope of them changing? What I don’t get is: How are men, as a group, both strong, better at everything, and supposed to be in charge – and at the same time delicate victims? One thing I’m glad of is that my father is not like that. Ironically, he would probably have more reason to be than most guys. He has to pay for my mother, even though they have been divorced ten years, because she refuses to work and kicked him out of the house several times (yes, she thinks men are superior, but treated her own husband like shit, because he wasn’t ‘manly’ enough).

I think what’s saddest to me is that ‘nice’ people can say awful things too.I used to think sexism was caused by religion, or just really conservative belief systems, but I don’t think that’s true anymore. Look at the online atheist community. Most people I know (90 percent?) are ‘liberal’, whatever that means. Doesn’t stop them from being small-minded, sexist, hateful idiots. I know a few really conservative Christians. I have never discussed gender issues with them, and I’m kind of scared to, because I’m afraid that what they say will be even worse. And I’m not sure how much worse I can take.

I like being a woman (girl?) 99 percent of the time, but occasionally I think if I were male, I would never have to deal with any of this stuff. Really, I never did anything to deserve this, but I feel like I’m a magnet for these people. I can imagine some MRAs and afore-mentioned friends reading this and thinking ‘wow you’re bitter, you would only be posting on here if no guy wanted you’. No, I have no problems getting along with the majority of men. I’ve had my fair share of bad dates, of course, but so does everyone. Nope, I’m just baffled really.

As for Erin Pizzey- don’t feel like reading that tonight.

*not me

Aaliyah
7 years ago

For me, it’s not my dad who’s a feminist (almost the exact opposite, though not in the MRA sense), but my mom. She is a little bit spineless when it comes to her views, but at the very least she’s always had a problem with victim-blaming, rape culture, misogyny, domestic abuse, etc. Not surprising since she herself has faced abuse from my dad and had to get a restraining order from him when he threatened to murder her and my siblings. Now they’re divorced. I’m very happy to have a mom like her and I love her very much. I don’t think I know anymore more supportive than her.

becausescience
becausescience
7 years ago

Personally, I would like to see the feminist movement described as a hate movement, so that we can then ban them from the government, from university faculties, from anywhere where they can destroy the minds of young women and men.

lol Reddit is all “FREEZE PEACH”, except when it’s not.

Marie
7 years ago

@la strega

I feel a little sorry for Erin Pizzey. She started out in life wanting to do good, but she seems to have been losing her bearings. Time will tell, but I suspect she’s starting to show signs of dementia

No. Whether she has dementia is not relevant. Not all assholes have dementia. Not everyone with dementia is an asshole. Sometimes assholes are just assholes.

@kittehs

It just occurred to me that if anyone tried patting me on the head, it might be worth saying “Did I tell you I have head lice?”

That’s a good idea XD It’d work well for me doubly much on the offchance someone who knew me tried it, as I do try to warn people when they’re about to do something that might result in getting contagious stoof from me.

@weeboy

I hate the “you’re a feminist cos you hated your father!” idea – because my dad was super awesome (not perfect, he was close to a functional alcoholic, but never violent) and has raised two feminist daughters and four feminist sons.

My dad’s pretty cool too, and both me and my sister ended up being feminists. So seconding (or whatevering at this point?) that there isn’t really a correlation.

@carelyblue

Internet hugs if you want them. 🙁

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Carleyblue – I’ve nothing sensible to suggest (if you were looking for suggestions at all anyway) but lots of internet hugs to offer if you want them.

Marie
7 years ago

@Aaliyah

Yay for your mom 🙂 She sounds awesome.

Carleyblue
Carleyblue
7 years ago

I wasn’t really looking for any suggestions, I’m just happy to communicate with people I know will understand my frustration.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

@Aaliyah

Yay for your mom She sounds awesome.

She definitely is. The only thing that irks me sometimes is that she’s very much fixated on new age stuff. I needn’t say anything more than the fact that she’s a unitarian universalist who hates vaccines and believes in “life energy” and stuff like that. She’s also very fond of raw veganism. I still love her, though. And I have to say that even that weird stuff about her makes her likable in a way.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

No. Whether she has dementia is not relevant. Not all assholes have dementia. Not everyone with dementia is an asshole. Sometimes assholes are just assholes.

Not to mention that Pissy Pizzey has been an arsehole for decades anyway.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Most of the new age stuff I find silly but harmless, but the anti-vax stuff? Not harmless. Very, very dangerous. I did not expect to see whooping cough come back to the developed world in force in my lifetime, and anti-vax people are the reason why it’s happened.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Ditto what CassandraSaid.

Prolly a stupid question and one you’ve heard a zillion times, Aaliyah, but is there any chance you could live with your mum instead of your several-degrees-lower-than-arsehole dad?

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Most of the new age stuff I find silly but harmless, but the anti-vax stuff? Not harmless. Very, very dangerous. I did not expect to see whooping cough come back to the developed world in force in my lifetime, and anti-vax people are the reason why it’s happened.

I talk to her about that with her sometimes, but she’s afraid of vaccines because, according to her, they stunted part of my growth from ages 1 to 5 until I stopped getting vaccines. I barely even talked – people thought I was “autistic” apparently. In reality it was probably either malpractice on the care provider’s part or some unknown side-effect not common to all vaccines. Nevertheless, I’m understanding of her personal aversion to vaccines – I just hope that she sees them differently someday as I’m definitely pro-vaccine.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Cassandra: part of the problem with whooping cough is that the vaccine we get as babies doesn’t last. You do have to get revaccinated as an adult. But the anti-vaxxers are bring shit like measles back, and that’s really fucking dangerous.

Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

I did not expect to see whooping cough come back to the developed world in force in my lifetime, and anti-vax people are the reason why it’s happened.

O_o It did? I don’t even know what it is? Should I google? (or if you guys wanna explain I’d like that, just leaving google as an option if no one does.)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Marie: you should probably google.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

And if everyone got the booster shots when they were supposed to it wouldn’t be coming back. And not vaccinating your kids means that both they and the older adults in your community are at risk.

The idea of just not getting your kids vaccinated (and thus compromising herd immunity as well as risking your own kids) because of a (not true, but even if it was) risk of autism is really fucking offensive because what those people are essentially saying is that they’d rather have a dead kid than an autistic kid. That’s fucked up.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Not that I don’t want to explain, but there’s better stuff with more detail than what I could give you.

Marie
7 years ago

@hellkell

Kk. Googling now 🙂

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Cassandra, no argument here. Vaccinate your kids, people. I want Jenny McCarthy to STFU forever.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Prolly a stupid question and one you’ve heard a zillion times, Aaliyah, but is there any chance you could live with your mum instead of your several-degrees-lower-than-arsehole dad?

She has offered that to me. I’m sure she would love to have me stay with her as she’s also worried about me and misses me a lot. I usually only get to see her once every year. I’ll take her offer only if I have no choice, though, because I don’t want to potentially burden their household by staying there. Maybe if I have a flexible job as a web developer staying there wouldn’t be such a bad idea – but that won’t be for a while.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

This is really personal for me right now because Mr C has a niece who’s right in the age range in which kids tend to catch all that stuff, and there are anti-vax people all around us. There was an outbreak of whooping cough a few years back. It got bad enough that there were signs outside Walgreens begging people to get their kids vaccinated.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Is there any other work you could get there, part time or something? (You’re studying, yes?)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I GOT whooping cough a couple years ago. No fun.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Cassandra, has Mr C’s niece been vaccinated?

Aaliyah
7 years ago

This is really personal for me right now because Mr C has a niece who’s right in the age range in which kids tend to catch all that stuff, and there are anti-vax people all around us. There was an outbreak of whooping cough a few years back. It got bad enough that there were signs outside Walgreens begging people to get their kids vaccinated.

That’s horrible. I’m sorry if I managed to upset you. Perhaps I’m sounding overly apologetic because I’m very biased towards my mom (despite the fact that I’m vehemently pro-vaccine).

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Also, I think part of the problem with the vaccination issue is that a lot of people our age and younger never saw any of the old childhood diseases in action, because past vaccination campaigns were so effective. So they have no idea just how bad it was, and they’re not making a realistic assessment of the risk.

I worry about my MIL too. She’s in her 70s, and although her overall health is pretty good, a lot of that stuff could kill her just as easily as it could kill a kid. Elderly people are a risk group that people seem to have forgotten about, but if any of those diseases made there way into a retirement community it would be really, really bad.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

Is there any other work you could get there, part time or something? (You’re studying, yes?)

Yep, I’m still a student. I guess I could do part-time work while living there, but I need to work on getting a career that will help support me fully in the long run. And the schools I want to go to aren’t in Colorado, where my mom lives. Perhaps there are some good nursing programs there, but I don’t know when I’m going to start my nursing education. (Nursing is the career I eventually want – web development is just a side job that I hope will help get me off my feet).

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

My niece is being vaccinated against everything, thankfully. She could still pass something on to her grandma, though.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

(Grandma is a new age person too – good thing she doesn’t get to make medical decisions for the kids.)

Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

It got bad enough that there were signs outside Walgreens begging people to get their kids vaccinated.

Wow. 🙁 I knew about the anti vax stuff, I just assumed it was a heck of a lot less common.

Kittehserf
7 years ago

Aaliyah – that sort of squashes the idea if none of the schools are in your mum’s area. 🙁

I was thinking of the usual student jobs, just something to bring in some cash so you could contribute to the household, not A Job with any sort of permanency about it. Is there any sort of support payment for students in the US? We have AusStudy, which is a pitiful little payment from the government, but at least it’s something.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

@ Marie

I think it’s regional. Some areas seem to have a much higher concentration of anti-vax people than others. Maybe you’re lucky enough to be in an area where that idea hasn’t taken hold.

Marie
7 years ago

@cassandrasays

I hope it hasn’t. I heard about it from my mom, who was ranting about it for the obvious reasons, with a side dish of her being a scientist, so scientist rage behind that. 😉 But I haven’t been getting out as much, so I can’t say whether it’s a regional thing. I always just assumed it was a fringe thing 🙁

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

It seems to correlate with hippie and new age beliefs in general, which is why it’s common here. Which I find extra frustrating because to a certain extent those are my people, and I like the fact that there are so many of them here, but at the same time I think that they should be forced to follow standard vaccination protocol, especially if their kids are in public school.

Aaliyah
7 years ago

I was thinking of the usual student jobs, just something to bring in some cash so you could contribute to the household, not A Job with any sort of permanency about it. Is there any sort of support payment for students in the US? We have AusStudy, which is a pitiful little payment from the government, but at least it’s something.

I’m not sure. But if there’s a good nursing school in Colorado, moving back in with my mom is a great plan. I’m very fond of the idea, and I’m glad you reminded me of it.

Another reason I’m so fixated on getting a strong career early on is that I want to be on my own as soon as possible. I feel that’s best for me even though I know my mom would have no problem with me staying with her, my step-dad, and my little step-brother.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Re: whooping cough vaccine booster for adults — get DTP instead of just a tetanus booster, it’s diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (whooping cough) except in France and the Netherlands where the P is polio.

As for MMR’s…fucking motherfucking idiots. German measles (rubella) in pregnancy can cause congenital blindness — utterly fucking preventable, definitely actually causes it, unlike MMR’s “causing” ASD but noooo…vaccines must be evil!

I know the older regulars know this, but let me brag? The autistic kid in Dear John is my cousin’s son, his younger brother was never vaccinated after their mother (my cousin) went all anti-vaxxer. So it’s personal. Yeah the older boy has no concept of white lies and gets royally upset if he finds out he’s been lied to, and refuses to let anyone else win because games of skill should be win by skill! But seriously? You’d risk congenital blindness to prevent his differences? And yeah, he’s “high functioning” but really? There’s no link.

Really annoying part? That cousin is a lactation counsellor, explained to my mother way we have those and my usually conservative mother was appalled that breast feeding is seen as sexual or a luxury and we were bottle fed. Like, feminism, w00t! Anti-vax, noooooo!

/rant

Back in 5 with my monthly polio eradication update 🙂

StaceyRaptor
StaceyRaptor
7 years ago

Usually I lurk, but I have to say that I love you all for being pro vax! So many places I go, both online and IRL, have tons of anti-vaxxers. It’s worrisome. Whooping cough is all over here (Oregon). (I’m pro vax, *and* a Unitarian Universalist secular humanist/atheist.)

Erin Pizzy- I just can’t comment on her. She is the worst kid of awful.

Marie
7 years ago

@Argenti Aertheri

Polio stayed eradicated, right? Please say it did. ::makes best puppy kitty eyes::