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Antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey bravely tells Redditors that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”

How Erin Pizzey imagines most middle-class whtie women live, apparently
How Erin Pizzey imagines most feminists live, apparently

Longtime antifeminist crusader Erin Pizzey recently did an “Ask Me Anything” session on Reddit. Here are some highlights — by which I mean lowlights — from her answers.

Ms. Pizzey wants to ban feminism as a hate movement:

Personally, I would like to see the feminist movement described as a hate movement, so that we can then ban them from the government, from university faculties, from anywhere where they can destroy the minds of young women and men.

It’s just a teensy bit ironic, I would say, that she characterizes feminism as a hate movement at the very same time that A Voice for Men, a site she has very publicly aligned herself with, is leading a hate campaign against an individual feminist activist. (More on this to come tomorrow.) Indeed, Pizzey herself adds to the vilification of the activist here.

And speaking of A Voice for Men, she apparently agrees with AVFM’s Paul Elam that feminists are only interested in the issue of rape because they have rape fantasies and are angry that they’re not getting enough attention from men:

If you’re referring to Paul’s statement that many or most women fantasize about being taken, I’m sorry but that’s the truth. That doesn’t mean they want to be raped, but it’s a fantasy I think almost all women have. And I think he went on to say that feminists like Andrea Dworkin who were and are so obsessed with rape are really projecting their own unconscious sexual frustration because men don’t give them enough attention. Andrea was a very sad lonely woman like this–I didn’t know her but I knew of her, and I knew Susan Browmiller and you can just read her stuff to see it there.

Yeah, I’m thinking that Dworkin’s “obsession” with rape might have had less to do with her wanting “attention” from men than it did with the fact that she had been raped.

In response to a question about using Title IX to increase the number of women in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM), Pizzey argues that most women’s brains aren’t equipped to handle all that sciencey stuff, and that most women would rather be raising children:

what will happen is that a few women will come out of that world in those areas that suit men’s brains better than women’s, and do well, but most of them won’t, and they’ll just leave and go on to other professions or to have children or family. That’s what’s been happening all the time when they’ve had quotas.

But what about the men who get excluded because of that? That’s the tragedy isn’t it, and the waste of money. Harriet Harman has proposed quotas for women in parliament, quotas for women in all the high-status fields, and women have flocked in but do not want the gruelling hours that men are willing to put into their professions because most of them–MOST of them–want to be spending time with their children at home, and that God for that.

Pizzey believes that most feminists are “mental patents” who deserve only condescension:

Personally, I don’t get into arguments with mental patients, which is what most feminist women are. Look at them with pity and compassion if you can, speak the truth as you know it.

But if you want a real reaction, pat her on the head and tell her not to worry her pretty little head about it. That’s what I do! I think men have to start using their sense of humor as a weapon. You must get past any sense of anger when you do such things though!

She believes most prominent second-wave feminists were feminists mainly because they hated their dads:

One of the early mantras of the feminist movement was to make the personal political. Therefore, those women who had bitter and violent experiences of the first male their lives (e.g. their father) then branded all men as violent and dangerous. They are also what I call the walking wounded. As far as I’m concerned the prominent feminists of the day virtually all had appalling relationships with their fathers. So if feminism grew out of a justified sense of grievance, and created a platform where they did not attempt to heal their own damage, but to project onto all men… so yes it’s very cultlike that way. But it’s any cult group that works that way, they all have either a figure they adore or a hate object that keeps them together. And their hate is against men, even when they deny it.

Yes, that’s right, she says all this and somehow does not notice the hatred of women amongst the MRAs she’s aligned herself with.

While she dismisses feminists with “daddy issues” she urges those who have been abused by their parents to forget the abuse they’ve endured, forgive their abusers and “move on.”

[T]each yourself that the past is truly the past, it is done and you cannot change it, all it is is a loop in your brain that needs to be closed down so that you can move forward. Because those patterns are deep within you, it takes a lot of hard work, but in the end you FORGIVE YOURSELF and you FORGIVE YOUR PARENTS and move on.

Meanwhile, she thinks that it makes sense for men who don’t like feminism to “head for the hills” and Go Their Own Way.

It was many years ago I was talking to a very eligible bachelor, who was a lawyer, and asked him about American feminists. He laughed and he said “what they never banked on was that men would get together and take to the hills.” This is where that expression comes from. He and his male friends would get together and have a wonderful time, they did not make permanent relationships with women, because they realized they would have too much to lose: their homes, their children, and their money. I always remember this. When 40 year old feminists complain that they can’t find any men to commit themselves, why is it men’s fault? I can’t blame men who feel this way in today’s legal environment. If the so-called women’s movement, the feminists, want men, they have to care equally about men’s desires and men’s need for protection.

This sort of makes sense, given that Pizzey seems to live in an imaginary world in which women, not men, are the truly privileged.

The actual irony of this situation is there is nothing more privileged than white middle class women, who are most of feminists. Very very privileged, because they know when they are born that either the state or a man will take care of them if they do not choose their own career. Men on the other hand are born underprivileged, particularly now, even as small boys they are demonized and discriminated against. …

 I cannot see how sane sensible educated intelligent woman can consider that men are privileged. It has always been rich and middle class women who have been protected, and they are the truly privileged.

Indeed, she’s managed to convince herself that “never in the history of the world have men been so unprivileged, if you think about it.”

Naturally, all of her comments were happily upvoted by the Reddit masses, and her “Ask Me Anything” post itself got more than 1200 upvotes. Evidently pandering to Reddit’s collective fantasies about the oppression of men pays off big in the upvote department.

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falyne42
falyne42
11 years ago

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

A Straw Feminist is a Straw Man built to purportedly represent feminism. Again, no feminist actually says that the family should be destroyed. A lot of people SAY that feminists say that.

What we’re hearing you argue against is not actually feminism. It’s Straw Feminism. You’ve really got a bit of learning to do before you can meaningfully approach this topic, and, frankly, it’s not this blog’s job, or it’s commentor’s job, to walk you through it.

(PROTIP: attempting to shame or guilt people into *making* it their job to educate you is a good way to provoke *justified* hostility.)

There’s a blog that HAS made it their job. It’s over here. http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/purpose/

This site is mockery. Not hand-holding. If you’re looking for not-mockery, you’re in the wrong place.

Fade
11 years ago

Um, yes it makes sense to not want to be objectified.

However, getting breast implants does not make other people objectify you. That is those other people, and their actions.

You can get breast implants/reductions for whatever reason, and you would still not be deserved to be objectified.

Are we on the same thought here? I can’t tell….

Umfweto
Umfweto
11 years ago

@Briznecko I get what you mean. I am not going to follow that link because I think I really understand what you mean. There’s many a lad at over at the AVFM forums with a feminist bogey man hiding under his bed.

@CassandraSays No such request has been made. As you were…

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I KNOW THAT NOBODY IS INTERESTED IN THE CONVERSATION THAT I’M DEMANDING THAT YOU HAVE WITH ME, BUT STILL, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH ME, BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE IT, SEE HOW I CAN WASTE HOURS OF YOUR TIME THIS WAY?

So bored.

Briznecko
Briznecko
11 years ago

No, I wouldn’t touch reddit with a ten foot pole; this site is as close as I want to get. That is a friendly 101 blog that will happily hold your hand through all your questions.

falyne42
falyne42
11 years ago

The distinction between sexual and sexualized does kinda require the recognition of active female sexual agency, which is, sadly, a Feminism 102 topic, so… *shrug*.

Also, there’s a big difference between supporting a right to body modification and supporting the act of body modification. A given procedure may actually be anti-subversive/caused by pressure that is harmful/reinforcing harmful norms. I still support a person’s right to decide that, for their body, and in the surrounding social context, that this is the right thing to do.

Even as I decry the aspects of that social context that provide the some of the logical basis for that procedure.

falyne42
falyne42
11 years ago

I AM DRINKING MEAD. MEAD IS DELICIOUS. 101 BLOGS ARE HANDY.

THE SUBJECT IS NOW MEAD UNTIL 101 BLOGS ARE READ.

I just started two new fermentation buckets this morning. Plain and cyser (which is made with apple juice). :3

(I am internetting instead of mopping honey off the floor.) 😉

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Never had mead. Is the honey flavor very obvious?

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

@hellkell what’s wrong with a dudely invasion? “Straw Feminists” please expand on that? That seems like an indication that you think there some poser feminists out there. If you don’t mind I would like to her what you have to say about that.

Straw feminists–not real, just what you think feminists are from your insightful and comprehensive readings of manosphere drivel. Look up “straw man,” you doofus.

What’s wrong with a dudely invasion? Oh… just about everything, when they put up walls of word salad.

Dude, we’re gonna mock the shit out of you.

falyne42
falyne42
11 years ago

Yup! Plain mead is just honey and water, so the primary flavoring is the honey. The sugars get eaten by yeast, producing booze, and depending on the starting ratio of honey to water and the alcohol tolerance of the yeast you can wind up really sweet or really dry. ^_^

falyne42
falyne42
11 years ago

Starting from that, though, you can go in a whooooole bunch of awesome directions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead#Varieties

(The subject can actually change away from mead. I’m not actually going to demand that we talk about what I want to talk about. I will continue to say that 101 is that-a-way, as in not-here, however.)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I move that we change the topic to “anything food and beverage related”, since it’s Friday. Weekend brunch plans? That involve mimosas? Fair game.

Umfweto
Umfweto
11 years ago

@falyne42 actually I think I am totally in the right place if I may say.

Since you guys are here to have fun poking fun (which is cool) and not apologise for it, I am going to do the same thing now…

So here goes…

The part where I reveal myself to be some sneaky tricky creep who’s trying to trick you in to something you don’t want to say…. it’s not going to happen douch bags!

No, I have quite enjoyed the things I have heard here today. I have read about feminism extensively but I do believe it’s how people take it up and put it to use that counts.

Also, you may be a cocky bunch over here but I sense no anger.

It’s one thing to have things you believe in but it’s another to maintain a healthy perspective on the things you believe in. So far things seem healthy here to me.

I do appreciate that you guys have had many a troll who arrives here to justify there own existence. So I am not offended by any judgements you have so far made about me.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Fuck off.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Where do I sign up to get a glass of mead?

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Cassandra: After we fight our way through the grocery store tonight after work because we’re almost out of cat food (and we don’t want to piss our feline overlords off), our weekend is refreshingly plan-free. We might go to our favorite restaurant tomorrow, I’m craving their fish and chips.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

That’s a good point. Where do you find mead if you don’t make it yourself? I can tell you where to get a lot of random beverages, but that’s not one of them.

Briznecko
Briznecko
11 years ago

Tonight I’m going to a free prom-themed concert! So excited! But, to relate it to the topic of food, I have to grab stuff to make breakfast sandwiches for people who are going to crash with the BF and I afterwords. I’m thinking either beagels or english muffins (toasted, natch) with eggs, lots of cheese, and cream cheese. I need to dress those up somehow…but nothing that’ll be too labor-intensive, after all I’ll be cooking them while quite hungover.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Other food-related plans: I’m going to sneak a few slices of pepperoni pizza to my friend in the hospital.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
11 years ago

The most damning thing about feminism, is that if you criticize it your are anti-woman. That’s about as logical as saying if you don’t think the earth is flat you hate god and should be burned.

Plenty of people criticize feminism without being called woman haters. Feminists themselves are always examining it and criticizing it. There is a lot of good criticism out there about feminism failing at intersectionality, or addressing the needs of people of color, LGBT people, people with disabilities, and other marginalized groups. That is important criticism, and it is something to work on.

But if your criticism about feminism is that it doesn’t center men’s feelings and wants first, then you are actually being anti woman. Women are already socialized to put men first and put their own needs last. It is wrong to then demand they use their own movement to do this same thing.

I have come to this Man Boobz site a few times and I really don’t understand it. It doesn’t seem to be about anything more than mud slinging.

It can be a little rough, but a lot of us like it fine just the way it is.

The idea that feminism is 100% perfect and without fault is absurd. There is nothing in this world that is without fault. Feminism has a lot to offer this world and has brought about some positive changes but it’s not all fairy dust and happy endings. Feminism is capable of making mistakes.

I don’t know anyone who has claimed that feminism is without faults. That’s why feminists have so many arguments and discussions amongst ourselves, because it deals with complex subjects that don’t always have easy answers. It’s not like a basic math problem, with only one correct answer.

If this site is just about making fun of people then fair enough. In that case I probably looked too hard in trying to understand what it’s about. There is a lot of sarcasm on here (which is funny – I am not knocking that aspect) but sarcasm does not form the basis of any argument, so that got me thinking as to what this is all about. If it’s just sarcasm then I get that.

That’s kind of the point of a website devoted to mocking misogyny. If you don’t like that kind of sarcasm, then perhaps you could create another website with a different style to it. I’m serious when I say this, too.

I have quite a few bones to pick with feminism to be honest. Mostly because it’s something that’s hard to understand. I mean, some feminists want less half naked body conscious depictions of woman in the media, some want to make it easier to get breast implants. Some are pro this and against that. Some want less of this and more of that over there. Aahh, I am just a simple guy, how I am ‘sposed to keep up?!

There is a feminism 101 site that gives the basics to beginners. I agree it’s overwhelming to come across too much academic jargon and that there is a lot of info to take in, but that’s what beginner websites are for. Now if you ask a sincere question, and you’re not just goofing off, somebody would probably answer it for you.

There are things I find paradoxical in feminism. I feel at the same time feminism seeks to improve woman’s lives, it puts a lot of pressure on woman. I have never understood why so many feminists call for the complete obliteration of the family

I’m a feminist, yet I’m a stay at home mom with a nuclear family. I have occasionally found some feminists that make fun of stay at home motherhood, calling it “choose my choice feminism”, but most feminists are supportive of it as long as it’s a choice women make on their own and not due to societal pressures. The goal is that ALL types of families will be recognized as valid, as long as the members are happy and treat each other well.

“Men suffer and are sad, and its women and feminists fault, and they should suck it up and forgive their abusers and stop hating so much, the little dears”. Yes, decrying feminism for creating a victim culture and then proceeding to describe yourself as the actual victims….. I spent an evening (before being kicked off) the AVFM forums once hearing so much hypocritical along those lines.

Good for you for getting away from that toxic website.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

We’re thinking sushi and bentos at some point. Sunday night is turning into jambalaya and a movie night.

hellkell
hellkell
11 years ago

Spec’s (giant liquor warehouse here) does have mead.

cloudiah
11 years ago

I’m thinking either beagels

No! Don’t eat beagles, they’re too cute! 😀

Briznecko
Briznecko
11 years ago

Bagels, not beagels.

Fade
11 years ago

@CassandraSays

Mmm… Sushi. I love good sushi.

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