Today, some Deep Thoughts about men, women, children, empathy, mini-vans, and patriarchy, from the inimitable Men’s Rights activist and proud misogynist Rob Fedders, whom I found being quoted with approval and even some relish by MGTOWer elder MarkyMark on his little blog today.
Mr. Fedders starts off with a classic misogynist trope: women are like children.
Very few women are capable of empathizing with men. There are about as many women who have the ability to empathize with men as there are children capable of empathizing with adults.
This is what most men fail to grasp, and why they go round and round in circles trying to “explain things” to women.
Women just don’t care. We are here for their purposes, not ours. …
Women will never “care” about men in the same way that men “care” about the wellbeing of women. …
We are designed like this by nature … .
Mr. Fedders offers proof of this evolutionary design by considering a dilemma that preoccupied our ancient ancestors on the African savannah. Namely: who gets the minivan?
You can even see how this works with the way that men and women buy family vehicles. The wife and kids are always put in the best vehicle/mini-van/SUV as possible to “protect them” etc. etc. while the husband drives the run-down piece of crap to work… when the time comes that the husband gets a second vehicle you can usually hear the wife chirping in, “We had to get Joe a new truck… because the last one wasn’t safe and we don’t know what we would do if something happened to him.
That’s the way it has always been and the way it will likely always be.
Apparently, men hunted the mammoth in crappy old pickup trucks.
Fedders returns to his main theme:
Men are a tool to women… a “business.” And to successfully work that business, they must always appear in the needy/attention category. Babies who don’t cry don’t get milk… and women who don’t get attention don’t get taken care of by men. It is an innate feature of humans.
Oh, and in case you were wondering, women have ruled the world from time immemorial.
Women do control society’s values and mores… they lead with what they think is fashionable, and men follow, because by nature we are designed to give women what they want.
And, oh, women invented patriarchy as well.
Women “are” society. What women’s wants are is what society’s want’s are. This is where women are lying when they talk about the dreaded “patriarchy.” The patriarchy only existed because women explicitly approved of it, and endorsed it morally – causing the men to follow suit.
Turns out that patriarchy is basically just a way to make all men slaves to their women:
This is what is happening today too. Most of the anti-feminist battle is not going to be between men and women… it is going to be between women who want a “traditional man” and those who want a collective “government husband.” In both cases, the women are advocating for men to take care of women – with little concern for the man’s wants and needs – one wants a personal slave to serve her & her offspring, while the other wants a slave class to serve women and their offspring in general.
It’s the way human beings are designed. Who cares whether women rule, or if they rule the rulers? The result is the same.
I knew women were sneaky, but I had no idea they were this sneaky.
I misandristly bought groceries, and I made Mr. HK come with, and I misandristically hated him the whole time.
Gee, Minty, if you hate us, why you spending so much time here? I tl;dr’d that monstrosity you dropped, because you don’t honestly don’t seem to understand that words have meanings. Also, use less of them. Brevity is the soul of wit, my friend, and right about now, you’re witless.
Yum, that kashkeh bademjan looks good. I love muhammara too, but Mr. D doesn’t like roasted red peppers much, so I’ve only made it once. He’s decided recently that he likes red peppers after all, since he found out how healthy they are, so maybe I’ll make it again.
Goddammit, reading their glurge makes me worse—he doesn’t understand…. argh.
If for nothing else, I’ll always hate the MRM for their total abuse of language.
@viscaria
I should get a cute little pad and see if it motivates me to meal plan. Currently no planning happening 🙁
Oh, and as far as the whole serial thing BS.
Or are libraries referring to serial killers when they refer to their books/magazines/journals. Serial is about organization and patterns. Not about killers. Oh, and my source is a $*(#$^(^ dictionary.
Okay. I guess I’m going to do a quick response. It won’t be witty, but I’m a little annoyed with the ignorance displayed in his comment.
I work with 12 different teenage-early 20 year old men who don’t share this “common belief”. I work with many men: social workers, police officers, teachers, and parole officers who don’t share this “common belief”. You don’t speak for all men and I doubt I know very many men who would agree with you on this rant of yours.
HAHAHA no. Slavery is a strong term and using it here is disrespectful. Men judge women. ALL THE TIME. Have you not read the stuff the MRMs post: ugly, old, fat ect. Women must be beautiful, attractive and submissive in the eyes of the MRMs I have seen post. You yourself as well as the person you are defending seem to see women as little more that mastrubation assistance: so don’t rant about women only wanting men who can offer them something. Not saying I agree with that sentiment of course.
Porn: no problem in fact I and many of my fellow feminists watch porn.
Mastrubation: no problem and…..*whispers* women mastrubate too.
Serial dating: whatever?
Friendzone: you can’t expect being nice to a woman=her putting out
PUA: NO MEANS NO
Nobody has a right to someone elses body: not men and not women
White knights? I don’t need to be rescued.
And BTW what is up with MRMs saying that women don’t like sex. That the only reason women have it is to get something from a man. Women have one night stands, friends with benefits and flings too.
And if you want to stay away from womens by all means do. Please stay away from me at least.
Oh, and I know there are several regular male commenters.
I think it a shame that these guys keep going on and on about citation even though many of our commenters posted reputable links. Meanwhile, these entire rant of his has NO citation, but goes on and on about the facts he has. What facts? This is opinion.
Oh, and BTW I have no respect for you. Which means I don’t really care if you don’t respect me.
Ah: another point of interest….
Marriage: Traditionally, marriage was a business transaction.
Marriage in ancient greece: all about inheritance and if a womans father died without a male heir women were forced to marry their closest male relative who then gained the property of her father.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/women1/p/GreekMarriage.htm
Marriage in Rome: Arranged marriages with political/business goals in mind. Children were owned by the father. In political marriages a man might divorce his wife and have him marry his ally.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/marriage/a/RomanMarriage.htm
6th-century Europe: Polygamy, but only for the men.
12th-century Europe: Arranged marriages still.
14th-century Europe: Arranged marriages for all. If you lived under a lord your lord had the right to pick your partner. You could bribe you way out and take your chances in another town.
1600s-Victorian Era: When marriage based on love begins. Very much shamed in general still.
Jumping forward
1950s: marriage is the standard as is children.
Most MRMs claims on marriage are ignorant. Women were chattle to be traded by their fathers for gain. Owned by their husbands. Why did the divorce rate go up? Because women could own property and work. They were no longer forced to be dependent on men. If they were in a abusive marriage they could flee and not starve on the streets.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200505/marriage-history
I really need to sleep now.
What a waste of my life.
Angry Harry distilled the abuser world view brilliantly. Nothing I do to you hurts you unless I tell you it hurts you. Creepy d00d.
One of those goofy childhood memories that never made any sense to me, until I learned about narcissists and abusers, was being trod on and when I said waaaaaaah being informed by the person who stepped on me that it did not hurt.
@Marie, it’s one of these Knock Knock pads. I always giggle when I see them but I’ve never actually bought one before. Maybe they might work for you, too!
One of those pads is really rape-culture-y, which I didn’t realize when I linked to them :/. Sorry. Eww.
@viscaria
thanks for link 🙂 I’ll keep it in mind. (Probably wait until my mom gets back from her trip. Same house, same menu. And she’ll be gone for a whole week *cries* Am lonely)
I can’t be bothered to do more than scim Minty’s bullshit, so thanks for all the takedowns, y’all.
@viscaria
Dang. Which one? I was only looking at the what to eat one, since it’s the one I need.
There’s one with the header “Why I Must Have Sex With You.” Grosssssssss.
@Viscaria
Oh. Ew. 🙁
Viscaria: Mr. HK and I use the “all out of pad.” I love it.
“Serial Dating, (notice the whole use of “serial” to confer the evil of “serial killers” onto the phrase)”
Just remember the next time you’re hooking up electronics/etc in serial (versus parallel) connections that you’re being associated with serial killers!
*dies laughing*
It refers to old school electronics, though is still used, and just means that the thingies in question occur serially, one after another, instead of parallelly, all at the same time. So serial monogamy is a bit redundant, but has fuck all to do with serial killers. (Who *gasp* kill people one after another ergo the shared root word.)
/linguistic lesson
3/10, would skim and laugh again
Pecunium — I don’t want to know how cheap it is because I can’t pay that little, or because of the associations with bottom shelf booze? Because my first taste of it was a bottle bought back from Russia, so yeah, I know how cheap it is!
>I insist on reciprocation for friendship. If I am going to offer someone friendship, I expect them to offer me friendship in return. Otherwise I walk away.
But, of course, friendship does not mean sex.
>melody @ 4/7 16:33
MRAs, like any bigots, will simply say that it actually is a widespread belief, but most men (in this case) are too cowed to admit it, especially to a woman.
Like, I can say that I don’t agree with him, but he’d simply say that, well, of course I have to say that here
>I think “serial monogamy” means “one partner at a time” as opposed to “one partner ever.” So technically not redundant, but in an age when the former is more common than the latter, it seems redundant.
Moar proof that women control everything….oh, wait….
The Matilda Effect in Science Communication: An Experiment on Gender Bias in Publication Quality Perceptions and Collaboration Interest
*zips back to read discussion*
@Cassandra
Dave Chappelle: Some of you may be wondering, why do this? Why treat our customers this way? Because fuck em, that’s why
@Viscaria
That pad seems to be more about clarifying your motivation to yourself, more so than telling your partner why you need to have sex with them. Also, a long overdue HIIIII
RE: serial monogamy. I’ve usually seen it used to mean going from one relationship, to the next, to the next within short periods of time (both between each relationship, and usually a short period of time for the relationship as well)
Aw, hi Shadow :). I’m glad that pad wasn’t as bad as I thought it might be! I didn’t actually read it because my brain said “nope, we are not dealing with that today.”
Ha ha, I totally missed the “serial” is clearly a reference to “serial killers” part. This guy, he IS good for a laugh.
Ooh, Ithiliana is here. Yay! [makes vegan cheesy popcorn using natfantastic’s recipe]
What have I bought today? A monthly rail ticket. And tonight I have to pay for an MRI. That’s most of this week’s pay wiped out in one hit, so it’s a good thing I’d already bought the frivolous stuff like food and cleaning products on Saturday.
Hi Ithiliana! Hope all’s well in your part of The Republic.
“Gee, Minty, if you hate us, why you spending so much time here?”
That’s what gets me with Minty and his ilk. If they think women are sooooo evil and hate men so much, blah blah blah, then what’s the point of them blathering at us? It’s not going to change our opinions of them. If we did hate men, this sort of rant would just entrench the feeling. If he thinks he’s showing he’s onto us, well … big deal. If we hate men and have all the power, why would we give a fuck what he thinks?
Of course even without any of that being true, we don’t give a fuck what he thinks, except that he’s a very chewy chew toy for those who can be bothered with him.
Christmas lights, so damn evil!
I practice cereal monogamy, myself. I eat only one brand of cereal for a few months, then I stop and start eating a new brand. I am hard-wired to do this because genes.