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MRA History Lesson: Women have been getting a free-ride off the backs of men SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME

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Here’s your Quote of the Day from the Men’s Rights subreddit. Well, not so much of THIS day as of a day four months ago, but, hey, I only discovered it today with the assistance of the AgainstMensRights subreddit. Bonus points if you can tell me what the hell a “public organ-orifice” is and/or how an AVALANCHE can “blare.”

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

The funny thing is that I’ve had several wannabe doms try that stuff on me and then very visibly react in a submissive way when I called their bluff*. It’s always funny when that happens.

*There was one, friend of a friend, who was giving this long, boring speech about how totally dominant he was and how all the girls couldn’t help but respond to his manly dominance. So I interrupted him and ordered him to stand up straight and tuck his shirt in. Which he did, and then got really embarrassed when he realized what had just happened. Dominant, huh? Yeah right.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

BTW, I would normally never do something like that to someone without their consent. If you try to pull that shit in an attempt to manipulate the women around you and reinforce gender roles, though? Then I’ll go out of my way to make you look foolish.

Falconer
7 years ago

@Argenti: Are you excited about the new Doctor Who tonight?

Our cable/internet/phone bundle cost us $200 a month, so we dropped down to just internet because Amazon sells everything we want to watch by the streaming episode.

joanimal
joanimal
7 years ago

I am pretty much against defining normal when it comes to sex. I know what I like. I know that what I like is different from what others like (to the left and the right). To some I am “kinky”, to some I am perverse, to some I am dull as dishwater and to my lovers I am, most of the time (so they tell me) just what the doctor ordered.

I completely agree with this. Human sexuality is such a broad spectrum that any term that defines a group either describes a small group or is so broad that the term becomes meaningless (like kink or vanilla have become.)

pecunium
7 years ago

Cassandra: There’s also the fact that “I am a predator” isn’t just pretentious, it’s threatening.

Yep, that’s the word that made me mention shooting pests. I don’t like being threatened.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

All this talk of the domly dudes were why I never got involved in the scene in Seattle, they are legion there.

So does Berkeley Bowl, but then again, they have everything.

My friends who just moved to Alameda are in love with this place. He’s a total foodie.

leftwingfox
7 years ago

CassandraSays: Ha! That’s too funny. 🙂

Now if you’ll excuse me, this is manly man is going to dominate the fuck out of a carrot cake, and beat some cream cheese frosting into submission.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

There’s also the fact that saying “I am a predator because I’m totes a wolf, they are my spirit animal” reads less as dominant/intimidating and more as really nerdy to most people, unless the person saying it is First Nations. A white guy tells me he’s a wolf and my first thought isn’t “let me bow before your dominance oh master predator” it’s “don’t you think that’s a bit appropriative, geeky dude?”.

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

So what we should be looking into here is how to victim-ify the entire population. What gives those hold out 27 % of UK the guts and gusto to claim they’re not victims? Clearly, they are.

In this case they’re victims of not being victims, on account of the 73 % majority, so they’re a noticable minority, statistically proven, with definite, declared net negatives to their situation (lack of financial gain, no representation in courts, police won’t sally forth to bring justice to their enemies).

So… everyone’s a victim, but that’s a good thing, so everyone wins? Great

That will never happen because the victim culture isn’t so much about declaring who are the real victims as it is about fingering who we think are the real culpables, it isn’t so much about giving assistance to the victims as it is about lynching the guilty ones. No official victim can be both victim and guilty towards a supposedly “privileged” one (a black person cannot be racist against a white person, a woman cannot be sexist against a man) and the guilty ones cannot be victims of the hate coming from the oppressed ones (a white person cannot be victim of racism coming from a “victimized minority”).

Victim culture is a refusal of the complexity of reality, it’s a will to know for sure à priori who are the real victims, depending on their color, their religion, their sex, or their sexual orientation and especially to finger the real culprits, the scapegoats whom the victims can blame for everything that can go wrong in their life.

If we don’t destroy the victim culture, there will always be a need for “scapegoats groups”. A society can function like that (US seems to do pretty good at softly persecute white hetero males in order to prevent victim groups to fight each other), but if the victim groups happen to hate each other enough to declare war on each other, things get really nasty : in France, it started going wrong when people from the Jewish community, the homosexual community and the feminist sphere started to attack violently Islam. We’ve already accepted that a Muslim killing a white guy is not something to make a bing thing out of it, but what about a Muslim who kills a Jew because he hates Jews, a gay because he hates gays, who rapes a woman because she’s an unveiled westerner cunt? And what can we say when Jews hooligans will beat the shit out of a random Arab because some Jew died, what can we say when feminists try to forbid the veil just because that’s anti-feminist, what can we say when gays start to vote massively for the far-right party giving to everyone who wants to hear it a radical anti-Muslim speech? They’re all victims, right? So they have the right to be hateful against their oppressor but they’ve just decided that their oppressor isn’t the evil white hetero male anymore. And we’ve taught French Muslim to think that each critic against them is pure racist hate, so they become more radical. Ironically, the rise of the far-right the last decade is almost completely due to the rising hate of some minorities against Islam and when the hetero white male will be finally convinced that he’s also a victim after all and that he can start lynching people like everyone else without being guilty, things will turn really ugly. More and more people realize that our country is walking towards civil war.

The solution is simple: treat everyone equally, consider that people are responsible for what they do, everyone is innocent before he do something wrong and there’s never a need to essentialise Islam, manhood, womanhood, whiteness, blackness or whatever. But we will probably need to push the victim culture to its own logical conclusion before we can return to some common sense, right?

Falconer
7 years ago

I come to derail and to tell you all that I am currently in the south of France.

I went to the market this morning ….

And then some stuff happened, and boom: Marseille.

(Wow, every department of France has its own coat of arms. Why does no one tell me these things?!)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Anyone actually bother to read that?

Falconer
7 years ago

A white guy tells me he’s a wolf and my first thought isn’t “let me bow before your dominance oh master predator” it’s “don’t you think that’s a bit appropriative, geeky dude?”.

If said white guy proceeds to tell me which Garou tribe he belongs to, I’m not so sure I could keep from laughing in his face.

lightcastle
lightcastle
7 years ago

He tried to tell her that the rest of her partners were going to be replaced/subordinate to him, because we were prey, and he was a predator.

Wow, I would either have burst out laughing or immediately flagged him as an abuser, thinking like that.

I can be tolerant of that sort of thing… so long as the domly-dude (I’ve never seen a domme try to pull this shit) is polite to me. They usually aren’t. At that point I make it clear that, whatever games he want’s to play with his partners is fine, but I’m not his partner, and I make my own rules about my life.

Your kink is ok, but consent is required; and that’s involving me without getting it first. I don’t play that way. If it harshes your mellow, Not My Problem.

Exactly. And usually that seems to be fine. But I do find the occasional thing where they don’t expect you to submit directly, just to obey/respect all the rules their partner are under, which I often find weird. Dude, if you are at a pub, people are going to find your refusal to let your partner speak, and answering for her, off-putting. Especially the waitstaff. *shrug*

I know several 24/7 dom/sub relationships. I don’t understand it, but the subs I know who do it are happier when in such a relationship. I’m not sure what they get out of it, but the rest of their lives (say work) where the relationship doesn’t apply, seem to go better when they have a dom. If it works for them, power to them (and they can; and some have, left their partner if it wasn’t working).

:nod: — But the very fact they can leave and they have parts of their lives where the relationship doesn’t apply makes it “not really TPE” to hear some people speak of it. I certainly know some intense, long term, dom/sub relationships, but they almost all have some time out of that dynamic and they have a sense of people can walk away. It’s not something I personally want, but it works for them and that’s cool.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

@ lightcastle

That goes right back to the rule about not involving other people in a scene without their consent, which should take precedence over whatever private thing you have going with your partner.

Also, if you expect me to address your partner in a sexist or insulting way because that’s part of your scene? Nope.

Falconer
7 years ago

Anyone actually bother to read that?

I think he’s talking about taxation. (about 1:40, brief nudity immediately prior)

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I just skimmed that tl;dr, but Brzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz seems to have lost all his French.

Falconer
7 years ago

Oh, right, Brzzzzzzzz corrected my French grammar that one time. Heh, it would be more impressive if he couldn’t access Google translate.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Doesn’t he claim to be Algerian too? And yet he totally missed the koosa diversion. Son, I am disappoint.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Brz, Joaro and some other newbs claim to be a lot of things I think are complete bunk.

lightcastle
lightcastle
7 years ago

@CassandraSays

*There was one, friend of a friend, who was giving this long, boring speech about how totally dominant he was and how all the girls couldn’t help but respond to his manly dominance. So I interrupted him and ordered him to stand up straight and tuck his shirt in. Which he did, and then got really embarrassed when he realized what had just happened. Dominant, huh? Yeah right.

HAH. I had a friend who did something similar, although she made him go fetch her drink. Also, he didn’t pick up on what happened, but everyone else around the fire did. It was pretty funny.

A white guy tells me he’s a wolf and my first thought isn’t “let me bow before your dominance oh master predator” it’s “don’t you think that’s a bit appropriative, geeky dude?”.

Probably my first thought, too, although I suspect the delivery of the line would influence how skeptical I was a great deal. The “predator/re-order your relationships” thing? Yeah, that’s not going to fly easily. 🙂

Also, if you expect me to address your partner in a sexist or insulting way because that’s part of your scene? Nope.

::nod:: – In this case, I left rather than play along, and because I had things to do. I then received an angry email about my disrespectful attitude after they saw a facebook post that was actually an in-joke with a friend of mine who was a sub and didn’t actually have anything to do with them. I apologized for the misunderstanding on the post (seemed a decent thing to do, and I could see how if they thought I was mad or offended or something, it could read as a shot at them) and then never heard from him or his sub again. They cut off all contact. (She and I were sort of vaguely becoming friends.)

pecunium
7 years ago

Cassandra: There were legitimate reasons for him to have that as a totemic identification. That part wasn’t the problem. It was what he did with it.

pecunium
7 years ago

Exactly. And usually that seems to be fine. But I do find the occasional thing where they don’t expect you to submit directly, just to obey/respect all the rules their partner are under, which I often find weird.

Yeah. That’s one of those things where such rules are (IMO), abusive. When that happens my responses vary, but never fail to include telling them such a display is weak sauce, because it puts their persona of absolute domination out of their control.

And I usually tell them that I don’t respect them; but out of deference to their partner I will leave them alone; and if they need to communicate with me their partner may talk do so, but they may not.

Because, petty as it may seem, I refuse to let them get the idea they are domming me.

pecunium
7 years ago

BRZzzzzt!: That will never happen because the victim culture isn’t so much about declaring who are the real victims as it is about fingering who we think are the real culpables, it isn’t so much about giving assistance to the victims as it is about lynching the guilty ones.

Rubbish. Take the functionally disabled. They were victims of social exclusion. Those cutouts in the curbs… they were few and far bewteen until the 1980s. They weren’t the dominant corner style until the 1990s, and I still see some being retrofitted now.

No one is being hounded, blamed, etc.. They are being put in. If new sidewalks are needed, they are installed. Same for lifts/ramps to buildings.

Where someone is actively opressing someone else, yeah, that shit needs to be called out. Sometimes it needs to be punished. That’s a basic princible of law in the West (look up , Tort Theory). That you don’t like it… sucks for you.

That you choose a piece of shit article to defend this position? Typical.

That you choose to use the number of social ills being called to blame those who are victimised; and so (by logical extension) favor their continued victimisation… well because of that you suck.

Why do you suck? Because you say, The solution is simple: treat everyone equally, when what you mean is, “let those who are being victimised suck it up.

I notice you ate your Wheaties this morning; your English Grammar seems very good today. Are you forgetting the dulcet tones of la belle francaise?

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

“Brzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz seems to have lost all his French”

Really? I didn’t make any fault? You’re about to make me blush hellkell.

http://www.grioo.com/images/rubriques/2/16999.jpg

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Brzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, it wasn’t a compliment.

pecunium
7 years ago

Lightcastle: they have parts of their lives where the relationship doesn’t apply

I don’t know how one can have employment, and have a D/S relationship. If my boss tells me to do something I can’t say, “sorry, but I’ll have to clear that with my partner first”.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I can get petty with doms who’re power tripping too. It’s just so much fun to watch them get aggravated and spin their wheels.

Medium Dave
7 years ago

Mmm. I find it quite telling when right-wingers assume that less privileged = victimized.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Wall of text! I was watching Torchwood! Falconer, yes! Here’s hoping it isn’t all “say the magic word or I won’t come out of my treehouse”. But which Garou tribe? You’re resident Malkavian is displeased! (Actually, there’s been legit debate if I’d be Malk or Toreador…moving on…)

Brz, last I checked murder and rape were crimes regardless who the perpetrator and victim are.

Point out he’s lost his French grammar failures, watch him “blush” and drop an error.

Brz
Brz
7 years ago

@CassandraSays

Koosa that’s Lebanese, not Algerian. You’re not even able to tell the difference between north Africa and The Levant dumb-ass.

pecunium
7 years ago

We’ve already accepted that a Muslim killing a white guy is not something to make a bing thing out of

Damn… dude you are wasting your talents here. You need to get a gig writing for Dennis Miller, or O’Reilly.

To elaborate on the hypocrisy in this: The solution is simple: treat everyone equally, consider that people are responsible for what they do, everyone is innocent before he do something wrong

The people you whine about “having a victim mentality” have been wronged. You think the harms they have done are immaterial. This isn’t, “innocent until proven guilty” (which isn’t a french concept… Code Napoleon, and all that), but rather, “harmless unless malicious”.

pecunium
7 years ago

Koosa that’s Lebanese, not Algerian. You’re not even able to tell the difference between north Africa and The Levant dumb-ass.

Another piece of spot-perfect English idiom.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Oh, look, he remembered his own back-story all of a sudden. It would be more convincing if he’d dug deeper into his Google search, though.

Falconer
7 years ago

Garou tribe doesn’t matter, if zie’s trying to leverage it into real-world social advantage it’s just … sad.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Falconer — oh, yeah, agreed then! (Now, I do wish I had Dementation, as the early levels could be a point-of-view gun…but that’s neither here nor there)

“‘We’ve already accepted that a Muslim killing a white guy is not something to make a bing thing out of’

Damn… dude you are wasting your talents here. You need to get a gig writing for Dennis Miller, or O’Reilly.”

Yeah I caught that too, and avoided “what about 9/11 and a couple of decade+ long wars sounds like not “a bing (sic) thing’?” but fuck it, there’s the pressing question.

Falconer
7 years ago

argenti, i often wish i could cast “locate object,” myself.

cloudiah
7 years ago

I’m not caught up on the old Doctor Who episodes yet! How dare they start a new one!

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Koosa that’s Lebanese, not Algerian. You’re not even able to tell the difference between north Africa and The Levant dumb-ass.

As if you wouldn’t be lost without the Google, dipshit. Your fictional universe is fraying, dumbass.

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lowquacks – oh hell. I never even thought of Rolf Harris when I read about that. I hope it’s not him.

Historophilia – envy, envy, envy, despite the crap weather! 🙂

Cassandra – “(I think he was a Gorean – he was dressed like a Manowar video)” I read that as Man o’ War and had a charming image of him dressed as a racehorse.

No, I didn’t read Brrzzz wall of text. He has nothing to contribute to any conversation.

opium4themasses – “I could swear the MRAs are the domly doms with their treatment of partners as commodities.” I can see them as wannabe fails even in that field.

Pecunium – I wonder if genius with his “I’m a predator” schtick stopped to think that a predator in human terms means an abuser, or stalker, or rapist, or other criminal type? Varmints indeed.

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hellkell – fart-like-noise boy is definitely of the “couldn’t find his arse with a map” variety.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Definitely.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

I was hoping that he’d trip himself up trying to decide whether or not Egypt was the Levant (answer – depends which part, but koosa is served everywhere), but alas, he was too lazy to dig that far into the search results.

@ Kittehs

Like this. I advise turning the sound off, though.

(Not just Kittehs because noise bothers her – everyone should turn the sound off, because they’re shite.)

Falconer
7 years ago

who was it said they thought it was great the way i adore my kids?

thank you very much!

but i don’t give much thought to it. i mean, they’re my kids, right? i just gotta.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

Oh, god Manowar sucks. If I had to deal with a domly dude dressed like that trying his tricls on me, I would piss myself laughing. I am mean.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Oh, I laughed, trust me. In fact I laughed every time I saw those guys, which was every week for several years.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

So everyone has the appropriate mental image – the guys I’m talking about didn’t just dress like that at BSDM clubs, they’d show up at the regular rock club every Friday dressed like that too and walk around trying to dominate women with the manly power of their leather vests. It was lulzy.

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I just read that Manowar are purportedly named after Man o’ War – what a joke. He has it all over them in the beautiful and worthwhile manly manliness stakes!

http://youtu.be/tScwlWdpep8

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Cassandra — I overheard a hilarious conversation at the EA concert about how the young women speaking could never do the leather goth look, it must get so hot in the summer. True thing is true.

Marie
7 years ago

@melody

I got in an accident today. I cried and I called my mother. Stupid parking lots. And I won’t hear back from my insurance until Monday. 🙁

I could use a drink, but I have to go to work.

Jedi hugs if you want them. 🙁 I hope everything goes okay with your insurance.

@lumi

wow bad professor. I mean, I guess not the worst, but it sounds annoying.

also brought up romance novels as evidence that women need emotional reasons for casual sex (

(had to snark) This just in, romance novels tend to be about romance, and not people having casual sex. Shocking!

(nothing against casual sex or romance novels, just amused by that as evidence.)

Basically all I know is what I’ve read here and on The Pervocracy. 🙂

same here XD

@quackers

Also hi again everyone, it seems I got sucked into this shit once again >_>

It was a nice take down of the many, many things wrong with their argument though.

@brz

In a society where belonging to a victim group gives a lot of advantages?

HAHAH

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHHAHA

no.

the constitution of a non-victim group seems more necessary than ever.

oh, was non-victim group loser brz? I never connected them before…

Wasn’t Brz’s Schlick that he should create a non-victim class for the victimized (white, Christian, straight, etc) men who aren’t considered victims. Since apparently the victim classes out number non-victims.

apparently it was him.

“But Dr Green said victim culture had now become so popular that, if the claims of some victim groups are taken seriously, there are more victims than people in the country.

There are more victims than people.

there are more victims than people

there are more victims than people

WTF? please don’t tell me he meant that victims weren’t people.

I know I mentioned in passing the genocide in Burma/Myanmar, someone on twitter actually said it’s justified because they’re Muslims.

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore >.<

@opium4themasses

@ pecunium I had a femdom friend who tried something similar with me. I found out when I did something assholeish and her over the top response had her reveal she had been trying to groom me as her sub for years. She was totally monologueing.

Oh ew. Hugs offered. That sounds so icky.

(US seems to do pretty good at softly persecute white hetero males in order to prevent victim groups to fight each other)

Citation seriously fucking needed. This must be the reason people of color tend to get longer prison sentences than white people. Wait, that doesn’t make sense. Your views straight up contradict reality, bub.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

@ Argenti

When I first got to California I tried to wear my London goth clothes here. Yeah, that didn’t work out so well.