Here’s your Quote of the Day from the Men’s Rights subreddit. Well, not so much of THIS day as of a day four months ago, but, hey, I only discovered it today with the assistance of the AgainstMensRights subreddit. Bonus points if you can tell me what the hell a “public organ-orifice” is and/or how an AVALANCHE can “blare.”
Quite and excellent comment indeed!
And onward marches the World’s Greatest Guaranteed Top Quality Human Man Rights Man-Movement of the Twenty-First Century!
The funny thing is that I’ve had several wannabe doms try that stuff on me and then very visibly react in a submissive way when I called their bluff*. It’s always funny when that happens.
*There was one, friend of a friend, who was giving this long, boring speech about how totally dominant he was and how all the girls couldn’t help but respond to his manly dominance. So I interrupted him and ordered him to stand up straight and tuck his shirt in. Which he did, and then got really embarrassed when he realized what had just happened. Dominant, huh? Yeah right.
BTW, I would normally never do something like that to someone without their consent. If you try to pull that shit in an attempt to manipulate the women around you and reinforce gender roles, though? Then I’ll go out of my way to make you look foolish.
@Argenti: Are you excited about the new Doctor Who tonight?
Our cable/internet/phone bundle cost us $200 a month, so we dropped down to just internet because Amazon sells everything we want to watch by the streaming episode.
I completely agree with this. Human sexuality is such a broad spectrum that any term that defines a group either describes a small group or is so broad that the term becomes meaningless (like kink or vanilla have become.)
Cassandra: There’s also the fact that “I am a predator” isn’t just pretentious, it’s threatening.
Yep, that’s the word that made me mention shooting pests. I don’t like being threatened.
All this talk of the domly dudes were why I never got involved in the scene in Seattle, they are legion there.
My friends who just moved to Alameda are in love with this place. He’s a total foodie.
CassandraSays: Ha! That’s too funny. 🙂
Now if you’ll excuse me, this is manly man is going to dominate the fuck out of a carrot cake, and beat some cream cheese frosting into submission.
There’s also the fact that saying “I am a predator because I’m totes a wolf, they are my spirit animal” reads less as dominant/intimidating and more as really nerdy to most people, unless the person saying it is First Nations. A white guy tells me he’s a wolf and my first thought isn’t “let me bow before your dominance oh master predator” it’s “don’t you think that’s a bit appropriative, geeky dude?”.
That will never happen because the victim culture isn’t so much about declaring who are the real victims as it is about fingering who we think are the real culpables, it isn’t so much about giving assistance to the victims as it is about lynching the guilty ones. No official victim can be both victim and guilty towards a supposedly “privileged” one (a black person cannot be racist against a white person, a woman cannot be sexist against a man) and the guilty ones cannot be victims of the hate coming from the oppressed ones (a white person cannot be victim of racism coming from a “victimized minority”).
Victim culture is a refusal of the complexity of reality, it’s a will to know for sure à priori who are the real victims, depending on their color, their religion, their sex, or their sexual orientation and especially to finger the real culprits, the scapegoats whom the victims can blame for everything that can go wrong in their life.
If we don’t destroy the victim culture, there will always be a need for “scapegoats groups”. A society can function like that (US seems to do pretty good at softly persecute white hetero males in order to prevent victim groups to fight each other), but if the victim groups happen to hate each other enough to declare war on each other, things get really nasty : in France, it started going wrong when people from the Jewish community, the homosexual community and the feminist sphere started to attack violently Islam. We’ve already accepted that a Muslim killing a white guy is not something to make a bing thing out of it, but what about a Muslim who kills a Jew because he hates Jews, a gay because he hates gays, who rapes a woman because she’s an unveiled westerner cunt? And what can we say when Jews hooligans will beat the shit out of a random Arab because some Jew died, what can we say when feminists try to forbid the veil just because that’s anti-feminist, what can we say when gays start to vote massively for the far-right party giving to everyone who wants to hear it a radical anti-Muslim speech? They’re all victims, right? So they have the right to be hateful against their oppressor but they’ve just decided that their oppressor isn’t the evil white hetero male anymore. And we’ve taught French Muslim to think that each critic against them is pure racist hate, so they become more radical. Ironically, the rise of the far-right the last decade is almost completely due to the rising hate of some minorities against Islam and when the hetero white male will be finally convinced that he’s also a victim after all and that he can start lynching people like everyone else without being guilty, things will turn really ugly. More and more people realize that our country is walking towards civil war.
The solution is simple: treat everyone equally, consider that people are responsible for what they do, everyone is innocent before he do something wrong and there’s never a need to essentialise Islam, manhood, womanhood, whiteness, blackness or whatever. But we will probably need to push the victim culture to its own logical conclusion before we can return to some common sense, right?
And then some stuff happened, and boom: Marseille.
(Wow, every department of France has its own coat of arms. Why does no one tell me these things?!)
Anyone actually bother to read that?
If said white guy proceeds to tell me which Garou tribe he belongs to, I’m not so sure I could keep from laughing in his face.
Wow, I would either have burst out laughing or immediately flagged him as an abuser, thinking like that.
Exactly. And usually that seems to be fine. But I do find the occasional thing where they don’t expect you to submit directly, just to obey/respect all the rules their partner are under, which I often find weird. Dude, if you are at a pub, people are going to find your refusal to let your partner speak, and answering for her, off-putting. Especially the waitstaff. *shrug*
:nod: — But the very fact they can leave and they have parts of their lives where the relationship doesn’t apply makes it “not really TPE” to hear some people speak of it. I certainly know some intense, long term, dom/sub relationships, but they almost all have some time out of that dynamic and they have a sense of people can walk away. It’s not something I personally want, but it works for them and that’s cool.
@ lightcastle
That goes right back to the rule about not involving other people in a scene without their consent, which should take precedence over whatever private thing you have going with your partner.
Also, if you expect me to address your partner in a sexist or insulting way because that’s part of your scene? Nope.
I think he’s talking about taxation. (about 1:40, brief nudity immediately prior)
I just skimmed that tl;dr, but Brzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz seems to have lost all his French.
Oh, right, Brzzzzzzzz corrected my French grammar that one time. Heh, it would be more impressive if he couldn’t access Google translate.
Doesn’t he claim to be Algerian too? And yet he totally missed the koosa diversion. Son, I am disappoint.
Brz, Joaro and some other newbs claim to be a lot of things I think are complete bunk.
@CassandraSays
HAH. I had a friend who did something similar, although she made him go fetch her drink. Also, he didn’t pick up on what happened, but everyone else around the fire did. It was pretty funny.
Probably my first thought, too, although I suspect the delivery of the line would influence how skeptical I was a great deal. The “predator/re-order your relationships” thing? Yeah, that’s not going to fly easily. 🙂
::nod:: – In this case, I left rather than play along, and because I had things to do. I then received an angry email about my disrespectful attitude after they saw a facebook post that was actually an in-joke with a friend of mine who was a sub and didn’t actually have anything to do with them. I apologized for the misunderstanding on the post (seemed a decent thing to do, and I could see how if they thought I was mad or offended or something, it could read as a shot at them) and then never heard from him or his sub again. They cut off all contact. (She and I were sort of vaguely becoming friends.)
Cassandra: There were legitimate reasons for him to have that as a totemic identification. That part wasn’t the problem. It was what he did with it.
Exactly. And usually that seems to be fine. But I do find the occasional thing where they don’t expect you to submit directly, just to obey/respect all the rules their partner are under, which I often find weird.
Yeah. That’s one of those things where such rules are (IMO), abusive. When that happens my responses vary, but never fail to include telling them such a display is weak sauce, because it puts their persona of absolute domination out of their control.
And I usually tell them that I don’t respect them; but out of deference to their partner I will leave them alone; and if they need to communicate with me their partner may talk do so, but they may not.
Because, petty as it may seem, I refuse to let them get the idea they are domming me.
BRZzzzzt!: That will never happen because the victim culture isn’t so much about declaring who are the real victims as it is about fingering who we think are the real culpables, it isn’t so much about giving assistance to the victims as it is about lynching the guilty ones.
Rubbish. Take the functionally disabled. They were victims of social exclusion. Those cutouts in the curbs… they were few and far bewteen until the 1980s. They weren’t the dominant corner style until the 1990s, and I still see some being retrofitted now.
No one is being hounded, blamed, etc.. They are being put in. If new sidewalks are needed, they are installed. Same for lifts/ramps to buildings.
Where someone is actively opressing someone else, yeah, that shit needs to be called out. Sometimes it needs to be punished. That’s a basic princible of law in the West (look up , Tort Theory). That you don’t like it… sucks for you.
That you choose a piece of shit article to defend this position? Typical.
That you choose to use the number of social ills being called to blame those who are victimised; and so (by logical extension) favor their continued victimisation… well because of that you suck.
Why do you suck? Because you say, The solution is simple: treat everyone equally, when what you mean is, “let those who are being victimised suck it up.
I notice you ate your Wheaties this morning; your English Grammar seems very good today. Are you forgetting the dulcet tones of la belle francaise?
Really? I didn’t make any fault? You’re about to make me blush hellkell.
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Brzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, it wasn’t a compliment.