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MRA History Lesson: Women have been getting a free-ride off the backs of men SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME

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Here’s your Quote of the Day from the Men’s Rights subreddit. Well, not so much of THIS day as of a day four months ago, but, hey, I only discovered it today with the assistance of the AgainstMensRights subreddit. Bonus points if you can tell me what the hell a “public organ-orifice” is and/or how an AVALANCHE can “blare.”

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Niters, Argenti, everyone! I’m off to watch Time Team.

Historophilia
Historophilia
7 years ago

TomBcat, I’m glad my mental image made you laugh. Possibly that’s a better thing to associate him with in your head than skeevy boundary pushing?

Update from the south of France, it is still raining, however since it is the day after Easter all the left over chocolate is half price and I have half price Lindt chocolate bunnies!

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

Hey, so I’m just going to pile on and agree with folks, but I wanted to take a second to expand something.

TomBCat

he told me that he wasn’t alright with me saying no just anytime I wanted.

The red flags, they are a whirling.

There are no times, none, zero, when it is suddenly not okay for you to say ‘no.’ You can actually be doing the deed and decide to stop, because, y’know, you suddenly don’t feel like it anymore.

Saying that he doesn’t want to respect your ‘no’ SOMETIMES means he thinks that sometimes what he wants is more important than what you want.

Totally not okay.

Cliff had a post that fits side by side with this, on the idea that there’s a ‘point of no return’ when the man ‘just can’t control himself,’ the ‘boner werewolf.’ That’s… here. (thank you, mister Google!)

Somebody who wants to start eroding your NO, establishing time and places when he won’t listen to them? That’s somebody eroding consent, nibbling at the corners. That’s totally not okay.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@lumi

So, you mentioned your evo-psych prof and his discussion of the research on women’s attitudes towards casual sex.

More recent studies have undermined that more than a little bit.

The short version: the big disconnect in women’s attitudes closely tracks with the dangers related to casual sex. The danger to their well-being, and the danger that a casual sex encounter isn’t likely to end in an orgasm for the woman.

In situations where the dangers of casual sex were mitigated, and with partners that showed signs of being, um, less than fully self-centered, women showed just as much interest as men in casual sex.

Simply put, the traditional ‘walk up to a stranger and offer them casual sex’ is a situation that is full of risks for the woman, and reasons BESIDES their relative interest in casual sex to say no.

And that’s actually pretty frigging obvious. But only dudes did studies about casual sex, and so it never occurred to them.

So, your professor is flogging bad science that’s been countered by better studies. So, um, yeah. Bad professor!

Claudine Dombrowski
7 years ago

Reblogged this on Battered Mothers – A Human Rights Issue and commented:
I can only say Thank you to human beings like Manboobz for staying on type of Human Rights

Marie
7 years ago

@tomBcat

You’re fine. You’re not annoying. There’s nothing wrong with some venting here 🙂 *Offers jedi hugs again*

lightcastle
lightcastle
7 years ago

Been off and of course am now hundreds of comments behind, but this.

No one else? Ever? I don’t believe this. Don’t believe it if you hear it from anyone ever again – or any version of the same concept. What this means when you put it through the translated-into-non-self-serving-words machine is that he. has. never. listened. to any hints, suggestions, polite or otherwise refusals he’s ever heard before.

THIS. A bunch. No one else has ever complained is almost always “I have not bothered to listen”.

TomBcat
TomBcat
7 years ago

Thanks for all the answers, I’m gonna try and wrap this up:
First of all, I feel like a grown up again, yay!
Second, sadly there’s even more assholes than to, some worse, some not so, life would be nice if we all had just this one and only person in our lives that had been shitty to us.
Howard, thanks, though I think I’ve read about each and every one of Cliffs posts #fangirling
Also, the study you talk about, the reasons for not having casual sex are pretty much exactly why I or anyone I know and have talked about it doesn’t want casual sex.
It’s a little sad, but also nice to see that this isn’t just my problem.
And on the whole “no one ever complained” – I didn’t believe it. And even if it was true – he says this to tell me I’m wrong, so he doesn’t have to listen. Otherwise he would have accepted that I was the first to complain, not act as if this made my complaints somehow invalid. There’s got to be a first time at some point.

TomBcat
TomBcat
7 years ago

Anyway, thank you all, sorry again it got weird, but those are difficult subjects after all.It’s so easy to get into the wrong mindset then. I’m very glad the conversation took a turn for the better.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

::high fives TomBcat::

lucid
lucid
6 years ago

is there anything substantive that actually addresses the title claim, or is this more like tea time gossip? You know, the kind that makes you chuckle on your way through the day.

Do feminists simply claim patriarchy when tasked with tallying the contributions to humanity besides their incredible skill to [start] more life. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing if women get a free ride, but it reveals a glaring reality about the nature of gender.

Women’s usefulness is innate because of their womb. Men’s usefulness is determined by what they actually do to make life easier to live. I posit, any consequences within society is because of this, including mollycoddling women.

Our advanced technological prowess is the quintessential reason men’s existence is up for discussion. I wonder, if the womb was synthesized by technology, men would discuss why women exist.

Alice Sanguinaria
6 years ago

Wow. You are the quintessential MRA asshat. And you are gender essentialist to boot! WHOOT!

By the way, no, women were not getting free rides on the backs of men since the beginning of fucking time. Women have had to work since the freaking beginning of time too. Or do you think all women are upper-class women from the Victorian era?

titianblue
titianblue
6 years ago

I’m rather enjoying the ironic lack of self-awareness in Lucid’s choice of nym.

Sweetie, you’re talking out of your arse. The result is neither lucid nor pretty. Plus you’re a necro-troll. I mean, really? You’ve come to a year-old thread to say that all women contribute to the world is their wombs (how old are you? Are we in Sunday School, talking about wombs, here, rather than uteri?). Nice transphobia, nice erasure of women’s humanity, poppet.

The fact that you personally don’t see all the hard work, labour and creativity of women doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It just means you wander around in your own little privileged world, blind to any woman doing things that aren’t related to your boner.

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