So we’ve been talking a lot about the MRA response to the Adria Richards firing over the past few days, but (like a lot of the regulars here, I suspect) I’ve had one lingering question in my mind: what does eminent MRA philosopher Cooter Bee think about all of this? Well I am pleased to report that Mr. Bee has finally weighed in on the subject in a comment over on The Spearhead.
Always a model of thoughtfulness and restraint, Mr. Bee suggests that the best way to deal with the problem of women in technology – rightfully a man’s place – is for men in tech to go on a giant man strike until civilization starts to crumble:
Tech makes female jobs possible. Feminism couldn’t manage without tech. Would it be possible to attack tech and bring it down?
Not talking attack as in military operation but perhaps key males within the industry could be recruited and persuaded not to produce. After all, does anybody really think that any of the current fruits of civilization come from the female mind? Agitate against HB1 visa’s to further weaken it. Eventually, government and other powder puff industries won’t able to replace their dilapidated equipment. Where will the make-work female jobs go when there are no computers? The police state? How effective can it be with pencil, paper and shoe leather alone?
Other Spearheaders have equally enlightened and enlightening thoughts on the matter. Richard attacks women for both getting jobs in technology and for (allegedly) preferring doctors and lawyers over tech geeks.
Women are deadly to hire. Women really have no place in tech. Harsh? Perhaps.
But imagine if all the man-hours (perhaps billions worth) that has gone into soothing (the ultimately un-soothable) grrrrls’ feelings rather than genuine productivity.
And for all the women who hate the sexist men in tech, what about the sexist discrimination by women against tech men vs. say lawyers or doctors?
I’m not quite sure how not liking sexist men in tech counts as sexist discrimination, but I have to admit that I am baffled by some of the more sophisticated forms of MRA logic.
Another commenter who goes by the name David F – and whom I should point out is NOT ME NO WHY DOES HE CALL HIMSELF THAT UGH UGH IT MAKES ME EMBARRASSED FOR ALL DAVIDS WHOSE LAST NAMES START WITH AN F WAIT WHAT WAS I TALKING ABOUT SORRY THIS SENTENCE HAS GOTTEN AWAY FROM ME. Anyway, David F Who is Not Me repeats and elaborates upon an argument first made by Daflory over on A Voice for Men, which makes me think that they are in fact the same person and that David F’s last name is Flory (not Futrelle I repeat NOT Futrelle):
No one ever told Adria Richards that she was at best only an tolerated guest in the world of tech, and she could either play by male rules and contribute, or get lost. Hopefully other feminists in tech will get a similar message.
This and the Anita Sarkeesian affair suggests that hatred for feminism runs very deep in the tech world, and that a great many men and boys are willing and able to protect their domain against hostile intruders. The white-knight tech articles have made themselves ridiculous from the flood of hostile comments they generate. I think it is only a matter of time before some tech sites throw feminism under the bus. It’s not as if they really need women for anything, and if tech writers come to accept that they won’t get sex by pandering to women, what else do they have to lose?
Opus – who I am pretty sure is not actually the penguin from Bloom County – wonders why useless women go to conferences in the first place, and comes up with this explanation:
I can only conclude that women attend conferences for the purpose of being outraged and to shame any unsuspecting male. Is it any wonder men seek to work in female-free environments if at all possible.
Former Man Boobz Troll of the Year NWOslave steps up with some observations that may bring back fond memories of his many contributions to the discourse here at Man Boobz:
Western women, at least in the social media circles, seem to be hell bent on proving women have the mental and emotional fortitude of a four year old girl. Adria Richards and the media backlash is clear proof that women are incapable of functioning more than an arms length from the safety of the nest.
Joeb, meanwhile, offers these cogent thoughts:
The 800 LBs feminist beast in the room is; This women (Adria Richards) is not there to conform to Company norms and a real life work scenario .
She wants to work on her own terms . Off course those terms are the void of all physical and mentally tiring duty’s like actual work .
Its like this , Iv seen Feminist tech write blogs about tech Jobs not because they where technicians , They write blogs because they failed out of the technician Jobs . ( there opinion is useless )
Women want the administration duty’s of the Job but , The power structure changes when you have well trained men doing the work .
You can’t have a women with a BA from POO dunk business college telling a male scientist from MTI how to do his JOB .
Its another feminist leach on the privet sector . Get to many of these leaches and it sucks the life from the Corp.
After reading all these very thoughtful comments from the Spearhead men — and I didn’t even include the openly racist ones or the ones that used the c-word — I’m not sure how anyone could doubt male superiority, in tech and in everything else.
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Keep those women out of the shrubbery!
Yay, new article! (Feel free to ignore me, I’m kinda weird and emotional now).
The quoted dudes were so boring I kind of skimmed. Can’t people ever be original in their misogyny?
Sorry if those guys are trying to impersonate you David 🙁 Or maybe just a coincidence, idk.
We’re past the point where hiring a female is a good business decision. Between the lawsuits for harassment, the weeks taken off per month for menstruation, and paying for a woman to sit at home with a baby, it is a fiscal disaster. Men have just as many problems working in female dominated industries. The paedophobes are always attacking male teachers, caretakers, and bus drivers.
lol @titianblue
I am in a perpetual state of facepalm in despair of these idiot MRA’s.
What do these people do all day? With their bizarre ideas about women’s jobs, and women only dating male models, and most women being feminist conservatives for traditional marriage, they seem to have so little interaction with the real world I can’t work out how they learned to type. (Although, looking at the extracts above…).
For people identifying as tech workers, apparently they’ve never heard of fucking Ada Lovelace. *eyeroll* And I’m not even a student of proper women’s history! Eesh.
Never mind I read ‘technology’ as including such things as, you know, rakes and shovels and crap. Which obviously no woman could ever invent, because women have never invented anything.
Really, it’s amazing I can even USE this computer, what with those evil ovaries fucking with my pristine manmind. But oh no! I’m just an artist!
I AM THE CULTURAL DOWNFALL!
Hi, NWO! Glad to see your still an unpleasant gasbag.
I wonder what industry Joeb works in with that atrocious spelling of his. These guys are pearly clutching over a loss of privilege I’m not sure many of them ever had.
SaltPickles, that’s what I wonder as well…reading the comments I was thinking, “Have these guys ever actually *met* a woman?” It’s not just a hateful worldview, it’s literally delusional.
Also LOLing at the “women are sexist because they don’t date sexist guys” bit. How can you even write that seriously?
Reading MRA “writing” really jacks up your own. Pearly clutching?
Haha. In my skimming I somehow missed that. My only logic is if all guys are sexist and also for some reason women owe men sex.
Which is kinda mra world view anyway.
I love how they write like tech is some feminist stronghold already. I fucking wish.
I’ve been looking but I can’t find the joke that was made, was it actually sexist? The closest I’ve come is “big dongles”.
What are they worried about? Aren’t all men working down in mammoth mines already? I’d have thought that left no one but the women to do the cushy jobs like IT.
http://youtu.be/2UbtcmjfKa8
I was hoping you’d cover the Spearboys.
JohntheOtter also has kind of a good example up where he tries to be all menacing but then mentions kangaroos.
@cloudiah
Are they evil misandrist feminist kangaroos with box cutters?
So … tech is a feminist stronghold, yet these guys feel confident to lie in basically every comments section on basically every feminist site that has covered the issue in order to say that dong and fork are just technical terms. A lot of us are techies, which you’d think they would expect if tech is overrun with feminists. We know that these are technical terms. But also that they’re funny sounding and that people joke about them.
But here I am trying to apply logic to these douches. I should know better.
My dad told me the joke was along the lines of “I’d like to fork that repo!*” and the response was “is your dongle big enough for that?” …essentially.
*meaning receptacle — both terms are standard-use tech terms as well as being, apparently, hilarious sexual innuendos
They claim to be working in tech, so it’s quite possible they haven’t.
There’s only two women developers at my company but I respect their competence more than some of the men, let me tell you. We have a relatively equitable hiring policy and even then most of the other women were relegated to the QA track… even then, it should necessitate no precision of the kind but apparently to a lot of MRAs it is necessary to do so, they are extremely competent at what they do and they are key players in the company.
And I told my dad that “fork” can be used in place of “fuck”, which he hadn’t known. It was a veritable cultural exchange. :p
The jokes are typical frat boy sex innuendos except with techie terms, and the reason they were using them is that there’s a “locker room” type of attitude in the tech world.
The worse part, though, is that those jokes were NOT FUNNY. I mean, if you’re going to be an asshole, be a funny asshole.
It’s interesting to get the opinion of non-misogynist tech guys; they might not hate women, but many seem to be utterly baffled about where sexism has a role in this whole snafu. They don’t get why Adria might have had it up to *here* with stupid jokes already, and just got sick of it.
(I’m generalizing from my dad a bit, who’s usually pretty on-point with these things but who definitely is having a not-getting-it moment of male techie blissful ignorance.)
Also POO dunk business college made me lol.