Well, I have to give the terrible, terrible fellows at PUAhate credit for one thing: it was thanks to a post there that I ran across the videos of the exceedingly creepy pickup “artist” and minor Youtube celebrity that I’d like to bring to your attention today.
Meet George Godley, possibly the world’s worst pickup artist. Actually, I’m being a bit generous in my description here, because there is no artistry at all to what he does, just a gimmick: he carries a small video camera with him as he wanders the streets of London, apparently thinking that this gives him an excuse to waylay every attractive young woman who’s unfortunate enough to wander into his field of vision.
Godley apparently wants us to believe he’s “flirting” with the women he so awkwardly approaches, but flirting, like the Tango, takes two, and all but a few of the women in his videos make it abundantly clear from the get-go that they want nothing to do with him. This doesn’t seem to faze him much, and he plunges ahead, trying his best to keep up with them as they endeavor to escape his presence as quickly as possible.
Take the unfortunate woman who catches his eye at the start of this video, and who finally manages to make her escape a little short of the one-minute mark.
In this next video – skip ahead to about 50 seconds in to avoid some rather pointless wandering about — we see two failed “flirts.” His first attempt, if we can call it that, consists of nothing more than him standing in the vicinity of an attractive woman while surreptitiously filming her. After giving up on her without saying a word he runs smack into the “beauty” of the video’s title, and pesters her for about a minute until she manages to get away.
After a brief and awkward attempt at conversation punctuated by her nervous laughter, Godley gamely tries to convince “Beauty” that he’s “doing a movie for the festivals.” When she asks which festivals he’s talking about he unconvincingly stammers something about “Cannes, Sund – the usual circuit.” Even though she clearly wants to put as much distance between herself and him as she possibly can, he tries to force his card on her and plaintively asks “do you want to meet again?” The answer, a nervous “no.”
This next encounter – in which our hero barges into a restaurant to pester a woman who apparently looked briefly in his direction as he walked by outside — even Godley recognizes is a flat-out failure.
Godley has posted literally hundreds, maybe even thousands, of these “flirt” videos. None of the ones I’ve seen have gone well. Once in a while an exceptionally tolerant woman will chat with him briefly without actively trying to flee; that seems to be about as good as it gets. The rest document what is essentially serial street harassment, with Godley approaching woman after woman, none of whom give him any indication that they want to talk to him, and “flirting” with them until they can get away from him. It’s the same story, again and again and again.
Why does he do this, making video after video of these so-called “flirtations” and posting them on Youtube? Is he simply a masochist, approaching women he surely knows have no interest in talking to him, much less “flirting,” and posting evidence of his humiliating failures to Youtube for all the world to see?
Perhaps. But even more disturbing than the masochism is Godley’s obvious sadism. Despite his social awkwardness, it’s clear from the videos that Godley knows full well that the overwhelming majority of the women he “flirts” with just want to be left alone; it’s clear from their body language before he approaches them, and from everything they say and do after he starts talking to them. If a woman literally flees from you, that generally means she’s not into your shit.
But Godley doesn’t really need to be reminded of this. He’s well aware that he makes women uncomfortable — in this video he asks a woman if she’s really talking on her phone or just trying to get rid of him. But that doesn’t stop him.
He’s not missing the social cues; he’s deliberately ignoring the clear “noes” these women either tell him outright or telegraph with their facial expressions and body language as clearly as if they were shouting “no” to his face. Were he to approach random men on the street in a similar way, he would almost certainly get himself punched on a regular basis.
Luckily for him, he’s approaching women, and they’re much smaller than he is. It’s telling that he almost always approaches individual women, not the “sets” of two or more favored by most pickup artists, and that he seems to prefer approaching the supposedly more pliable Eastern European women also favored by so many manosphere assholes and creepy pickup artists.
Godley’s not-so-well-hidden hostility towards the women he approaches comes to the surface at the end of this video, in which he attempts to “flirt” with a woman photographing a tree and then then asks for her phone number as she tries to get away, an all-too-common ending to his videos. SPOILER ALERT: She doesn’t give it to him. SPOILER ALERT NUMBER TWO: He pretends he didn’t really want it anyway.
Even if Godley has managed to collect a few genuine phone numbers or email addresses along the way – and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that this is a regular or even an irregular occurrence – his alleged “success” in this endeavor comes at a steep cost. Not just to his pride – I don’t actually give a shit about that – but to the hundreds if not thousands of women he’s harassed along the way.
George Godley, a terrible pickup artist and an even worse human being.
I don’t think he is clueless at all. He appears to be doing it to see what reaction he will get over and over and over and never for one moment feels at risk. He grins at himself in mirrors to congratulate himself on getting away with it. I suspect he knows if he tried this on a d00d of equal size he would be at risk of being told off.
@Hank- All of the responsible kinksters I know find unwilling/unwitting coersion into kink tremendously gross (and I know a LOT of kinksters). If you get off on this kind of bullshit, then there is something the matter with you, probably that you are an asshole.
And to me, this does not read as a dude trying to get a humiliation kink satisfied. This reads as a case of MASSIVELY overinflated ego combined with cluelessness and cruelty.
Hellknell: Sigh – kinky is as kinky does. So – bring it on (masochist/sadist side speaks). Which side of you is speaking?
Mdubz – what you know is not all of what is to be known. Did you know that?
Before any of our PUA trolls jump in with “but that was a conversation started about her camera!” – no, it was not. A conversational opener about her camera would have been “Hey, awesome camera, is that a D60? What kind of lens are you using? When I shoot nature stuff I sometimes use a blah blah camera geek talk”. What he did was walk up to a stranger and start questioning her about her (perfectly innocuous) behavior with an undertone of “justify to me why you’re doing that”. Which is both rude and hostile – not a good way to introduce yourself to a person unless you’re a security guard and they’re trespassing.
Hank: please do get stuffed. What kind of question is that?
Hank is boring me already. Bet he fancies himself a dom.
Oh, he’s definitely knowingly taking advantage of his size and privilege. I just don’t think that the goal is the discomfort – that seems to be more of a side-effect that he sometimes enjoys. I think he really would like to pick those women up and that’s the initial impetus for doing it, and the privilege is too strong for him to have figured out after the first hundred or so rejections that the problem isn’t the women, it’s him, and/or the way he’s approaching them.
I just can’t imagine someone filming this over and over and over again with that sense of smugness unless he was achieving what he wanted to. This is a guy who enjoys making women uncomfortable, but I don’t think it’s a sex thing. I think it’s a gross, abusive, power thing, in that making women feel gross makes him feel like more of a man. Like many of us said, asshole.
And to me, this does not read as a dude trying to get a humiliation kink satisfied. This reads as a case of MASSIVELY overinflated ego combined with cluelessness and cruelty.
Cruelty – you’re getting there and so may he be.
@ Hank- So if you know so much more than Argenti Aetheri, CassandraSays, AND I, tell me. How long have you been in the scene? What are you feelings on consent negotiation? On safewords, both verbal and nonverbal? Aftercare?
…or are you just pulling shit out of your ass?
Why did people think Hank is a ‘he’?
Yeah, by the descriptions, it’s pretty clear that ‘creeping’ is this guy’s fetish–he enjoys getting a reaction from the women in question–good or bad doesn’t matter, it’s attention that he’s craving, and negative attention is easier to get, so he goes for the low-hanging fruit.
I’m honestly not sure I’d call this guy a PUA, actually–he’s really not expecting to get any sort of ‘pick-up’ as a result of his actions. If anything, he’s more of a living, accidental parody of what PUAs claim would work (persistence, negging, domineering behavior, ‘buckshot’ methodology). It does amuse me that he was apparently highlighted on PUAhate, though.
Hank’s clearly got a philosofetish.
Hank: this guy is an asshole with a video camera. You’re an asshole with a computer.
Tomato, tomahto.
From the few times I’ve tried to engage with guys like that (because booze makes me want to argue with annoying people rather than avoid them), I’ve always got the feeling that most of them do actually want to pick up women and consider themselves to be trying to do so, and the getting off on the discomfort thing is kind of “serves her right for rejecting me, this proves that all my negative ideas about women are correct”. Like that’s the pattern that they repeat over and over again and it’s self-reinforcing.
M Dubz – did Hank claim such about persons mentioned? Safewords are the less than committed. I pull shit out of my ass if causes a problem or I let the workings of anatomy take its course.
So Hank wrote:
Either Hank is fond of referring to Hankself as Hank as if Hank were in the third person, or Hank forgot to change Hank’s sock before posting that last one. Taking bets?
@ Cassandra- Oh man. If that’s true… I actually find that even creepier than my theory 🙁
freemage -Hank’s got a philosophy interest. Thanks for noticing.
Aw, look, now we’re being cruel to Hank by not buying his theory of how BSDM works. We’re just like the guy in the video, in that we approached Hank when he was just minding his own business and…wait.
@freemage- I think Hank thinks Hank is clever. M Dubz thinks Hank is bogus.
freemage – Sometimes Hank goes with the flow.
We are so mean.
Hank has go to be a stinky little sock. Did we get picked up on Tumblr or something? Because there’s a different sort of troll around that is godawful.
Hank is hardcore, baby! I wonder if he’s one of those people who sneers at the safe, sane, and consensual idea, because caring about how your partner feels is for wimps.
Also, a brief PSA from those interested in king:
THIS IS NOT HOW YOU DO BDSM EVER.