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George Godley: Terrible Pickup Artist, Worse Human Being

Woman fleeing encounter with Godley (on left, in white).
Woman fleeing encounter with Godley (on left, in white).

Well, I have to give the terrible, terrible fellows at PUAhate credit for one thing: it was thanks to a post there that I ran across the videos of the exceedingly creepy pickup “artist” and minor Youtube celebrity that I’d like to bring to your attention today.

Meet George Godley, possibly the world’s worst pickup artist. Actually, I’m being a bit generous in my description here, because there is no artistry at all to what he does, just a gimmick: he carries a small video camera with him as he wanders the streets of London, apparently thinking that this gives him an excuse to waylay every attractive young woman who’s unfortunate enough to wander into his field of vision.

Godley apparently wants us to believe he’s “flirting” with the women he so awkwardly approaches, but flirting, like the Tango, takes two, and all but a few of the women in his videos make it abundantly clear from the get-go that they want nothing to do with him. This doesn’t seem to faze him much, and he plunges ahead, trying his best to keep up with them as they endeavor to escape his presence as quickly as possible.

Take the unfortunate woman who catches his eye at the start of this video, and who finally manages to make her escape a little short of the one-minute mark.

In this next video – skip ahead to about 50 seconds in to avoid some rather pointless wandering about — we see two failed “flirts.” His first attempt, if we can call it that, consists of nothing more than him standing in the vicinity of an attractive woman while surreptitiously filming her. After giving up on her without saying a word he runs smack into the “beauty” of the video’s title, and pesters her for about a minute until she manages to get away.

After a brief and awkward attempt at conversation punctuated by her nervous laughter, Godley gamely tries to convince “Beauty” that he’s “doing a movie for the festivals.” When she asks which festivals he’s talking about he unconvincingly stammers something about “Cannes, Sund – the usual circuit.” Even though she clearly wants to put as much distance between herself and him as she possibly can, he tries to force his card on her and plaintively asks “do you want to meet again?” The answer, a nervous “no.”

This next encounter – in which our hero barges into a restaurant to pester a woman who apparently looked briefly in his direction as he walked by outside — even Godley recognizes is a flat-out failure.

Godley has posted literally hundreds, maybe even thousands, of these “flirt” videos. None of the ones I’ve seen have gone well. Once in a while an exceptionally tolerant woman will chat with him briefly without actively trying to flee; that seems to be about as good as it gets. The rest document what is essentially serial street harassment, with Godley approaching woman after woman, none of whom give him any indication that they want to talk to him, and “flirting” with them until they can get away from him. It’s the same story, again and again and again.

Why does he do this, making video after video of these so-called “flirtations” and posting them on Youtube? Is he simply a masochist, approaching women he surely knows have no interest in talking to him, much less “flirting,” and posting evidence of his humiliating failures to Youtube for all the world to see?

Perhaps. But even more disturbing than the masochism is Godley’s obvious sadism. Despite his social awkwardness, it’s clear from the videos that Godley knows full well that the overwhelming majority of the women he “flirts” with just want to be left alone; it’s clear from their body language before he approaches them, and from everything they say and do after he starts talking to them. If a woman literally flees from you, that generally means she’s not into your shit.

But Godley doesn’t really need to be reminded of this. He’s well aware that he makes women uncomfortable — in this video he asks a woman if she’s really talking on her phone or just trying to get rid of him. But that doesn’t stop him.

He’s not missing the social cues; he’s deliberately ignoring the clear “noes” these women either tell him outright or telegraph with their facial expressions and body language as clearly as if they were shouting “no” to his face. Were he to approach random men on the street in a similar way, he would almost certainly get himself punched on a regular basis.

Luckily for him, he’s approaching women, and they’re much smaller than he is. It’s telling that he almost always approaches individual women, not the “sets” of two or more favored by most pickup artists, and that he seems to prefer approaching the supposedly more pliable Eastern European women also favored by so many manosphere assholes and creepy pickup artists.

Godley’s not-so-well-hidden hostility towards the women he approaches comes to the surface at the end of this video, in which he attempts to “flirt” with a woman photographing a tree and then then asks for her phone number as she tries to get away, an all-too-common ending to his videos. SPOILER ALERT: She doesn’t give it to him. SPOILER ALERT NUMBER TWO: He pretends he didn’t really want it anyway.

Even if Godley has managed to collect a few genuine phone numbers or email addresses along the way – and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that this is a regular or even an irregular occurrence – his alleged “success” in this endeavor comes at a steep cost. Not just to his pride – I don’t actually give a shit about that – but to the hundreds if not thousands of women he’s harassed along the way.

George Godley, a terrible pickup artist and an even worse human being.

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Deoridhe
11 years ago

@BigMomma – It’s fun, isn’t it? My Honors Thesis in college was a webpage detailing the history of (including some geological markers) the planet I created, along with the bone structure and characteristics of several of the species, the language, plate tectonic maps in addition to more usual maps, etc… It was a complete blast and I learned a lot. I never followed up with writing more than short stories, though, and in a way I’m glad. As I’ve learned more about cultures and society over the years I’ve refined my ideas significantly.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@ttf

The insinuation that I might be ableist seems to have grown into a full fledged assumption that I am, in fact, ableist.

You said something that was ableist. It was ablism. I’m not going to get into a debate about whether you are ableist, just talking about what you said, okay.

@bigmomma

hey, deoridhe, I used to invent languages too! (along with drawing complex imaginary maps)(and thinking how environment might impact on language)(when i was about 11 or 12)

You guys are weird 😛 Cool, but weird. When I was 11 or 12 my writing (comparison I think of is writing) was basically trying to be edgy and original but failing horribly XD

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

@ Kitteh- Noooo, I said it was racist to promulgate the view it was cool to be attracted to one’s own race. You are replicating ideology there. Be attracted to who you like- it’s the act of having networks of people saying it’s alright to be attracted to one’s own race that is oppressive and racist. I assume you are not a PoC so imagine what it is like to read that on your favorite discussion board as a PoC.

M Dubz
11 years ago

@hellkell- I know this was a while back on the thread but I wanted to give a second fistbump to Jenny Trout’s book The Boss. It is free online and well… let’s just say I need to spend some time in my bunk after catching up on the latest chapter.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Plus I think some PUA stuff starts off relatively innocuous and ramps up to the nastier stuff over time. But really, you don’t have to dig very far to realize that it’s based on really weird ideas about women, so while an initial curiosity can be forgiven a prolonged engagement with it is more suspicious.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

@ Marie- Honestly, I don’t feel it was ableist.

Deoridhe
11 years ago

It was ableist. Horrifically so.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@ marie- It’s a false dilemma- you pick a horn to argue or you let the person who presented it decide which is right. it’s a great rhetorical device!

ummm…was I doing this somewhere? Was it the asking what you were angry about? cuz you can say if it was neither.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

@ BigMomma- I am pretty much on side with everything posted here and the people who post. Today I felt pause.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

Can we not assume that people who’re interested in adopting a Husky or Malamute know nothing about them and haven’t considered the needs of the dog? That would be awesome.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

@ Deoridhe- Oh, well, if it was horrifically so, then I still disagree.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

@ marie- Thanks!!

M Dubz
11 years ago

@Deoridhe- You mean you can get degrees in fleshing out the worlds you escaped into in childhood?

… I think I have made some bad life decisions.

… Also, I may or my not be working RIGHT NOW on full ethnographies for an RPG world, including a strongly matriarchal society that runs about a third of the world, (but is culture clashing as it mixes with the more patriarchal culture that the ruling queen’s mother married into) scheming political gnomes, a sect of religious fundamentalists, and wizards who don’t always know what to do with their powers.

Marie
Marie
11 years ago

@ttf

Marie- Honestly, I don’t feel it was ableist.

I don’t think most people being sexist, or racist, feel what they say is either. But your feelings do not change what you said, or what it implied. Many people on this thread have pointed out how it was ableist, if you still feel it wasn’t after reading all of them, you probably are ableist. Or drunk. It’s getting hard to tell on you.

Yoyo
Yoyo
11 years ago

From my point of view, I suppose it’s possible to feel a small amount of sympathy for a man who has absolutely no self awareness of his behaviour but that comes majorly second to the impact this guys behaviour has on other people. I’m sorry if I’ve missed the nuance of this thread but I think it’s more important to argue that men should be discouraged in this behaviour on line.

I don’t know if anyone here has been following the Silicon Valley beat up. Woman called out two tools who were making minorly sexist remarks in a seminar she attended. Unfortunately their employers decided to sack the guys involved (which she had not asked for) cue rape threats and other disgusting epithets directed at Richards. Now she has also been sacked and her reputation is crap.

Calling out bad behaviour is very dangerous for women in the it area. How can we help them?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

“Is there a blog equivalent to a full moon where regulars start acting like trolls for some inexplicable reason?”

What. The. Fuck. Is. This. Shit?!

This is twice this week and I haven’t seen anything like this since the mass exodus. Except that was, um, long simmering issues, say we say. This shit is a pair of people who usually more or less agree going for each other’s throats.

So, that little wtf moment aside!

TTF — seriously, I don’t give a shit why he’s doing it, he’s been told, repeatedly, directly, on his own youtube channel, to knock it off. He knows it isn’t appreciated, isn’t getting the results he wants, and pisses people’s off. If I’m screaming obscenities at some random person, does it really matter if I’m feeling particularly crazy that day or just woke up and decided to go make a scene? Hell, would it be acceptable as performance art even?

It doesn’t matter why he’s doing it, this isn’t a one off piece of idiocy, it’s an amazingly established pattern of harassment. A thousand women, probably more, that this dude has made feel uncomfortable, unsafe, threatened, etc. and we’re debating how to insult each other because maybe he’s mentally ill?

I don’t fucking even…

“Scientology has ruined the word Zenon for me. Now every time I see it I think someone is talking about Zenu, and then I want to run away before they can offer to hook me up to one of their money-milking machines.”

Oh gods, but Zenu enslaved us all! (Sorry, had to get in a crack about Scientology appropriating slavery, though it is kinda hilarious when the slaves are aliens)

Seriously though, I want to send this entire thread to its room, this is absurd.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

@ Kitteh- Noooo, I said it was racist to promulgate the view it was cool to be attracted to one’s own race. You are replicating ideology there. Be attracted to who you like- it’s the act of having networks of people saying it’s alright to be attracted to one’s own race that is oppressive and racist. I assume you are not a PoC so imagine what it is like to read that on your favorite discussion board as a PoC.

So … one can’t say it’s okay to be attracted to one’s own race? That’s implying it’s not okay. It also contradicts “be attracted to who you like”. It doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense to me. If it were that people said you can only be attracted to your own race, then that would make sense as being oppressive and racist, but as you’ve worded it – no.

It really didn’t come out that way in the original conversation, btw.

Correct, I am not a PoC, so I can’t imagine the situation from that perspective. Mine is simply “don’t tell me who I can and can’t be attracted to, or should and shouldn’t be attracted to,” because that veers into “but you can’t possibly vary from the norm/asexuality isn’t a thing” territory.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Plus I think some PUA stuff starts off relatively innocuous and ramps up to the nastier stuff over time. But really, you don’t have to dig very far to realize that it’s based on really weird ideas about women, so while an initial curiosity can be forgiven a prolonged engagement with it is more suspicious.

Yes, ok, this is more why I am wrong.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

(Sorry for the derail/goalpost shifting, all – I wasn’t comfortable enough here to raise it at the time, shouldn’t really have necroed that conversation tho’!)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
11 years ago

I actually do think that if someone is saying “I’m attracted to every racial group except X”, there’s pretty much nothing other than racism that could explain that. I also think that going on about how much you’re not attracted to group X on a forum where there may be people who belong to group X reading (so, pretty much any forum) is really not cool. I was side-eyeing a few people pretty hard by the end of that conversation.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Kitteh- And again, sometimes feelings, however honest and true, do more harm than good in our society when we say them aloud. Yes, occasionally creating an atmosphere that is friendly to racism is tantamount to racism.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

TTF — no, you’re wrong because you doubled down on how he must be mentally ill to harass women like that, when the only think he must be is disinclined, for some reason or another, to knock it the fuck off. Considering he only harasses women, and even then only individual women, not groups, even if he is mentally ill this shit is targeted harassment with more than a whiff of misogyny.

And no matter how you slice a shit sandwich, you know what you get? Shit.

This guy? He’s that sandwich.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

TTF, um…

“And again, sometimes feelings, however honest and true, do more harm than good in our society when we say them aloud. Yes, occasionally creating an atmosphere that is friendly to racism ableism is tantamount to racism ableism.”

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
11 years ago

Oh friggit- this is just bad karma, I feel absolutely terrible, Kitteh, you aren’t racist, the dude was totally being a jerk, I hate everything.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
11 years ago

Ok, just how drunk are you? Sounds like it’s well past time for some water and food. Go find non-alcoholic nourishment, return to thread later.

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