Well, I have to give the terrible, terrible fellows at PUAhate credit for one thing: it was thanks to a post there that I ran across the videos of the exceedingly creepy pickup “artist” and minor Youtube celebrity that I’d like to bring to your attention today.
Meet George Godley, possibly the world’s worst pickup artist. Actually, I’m being a bit generous in my description here, because there is no artistry at all to what he does, just a gimmick: he carries a small video camera with him as he wanders the streets of London, apparently thinking that this gives him an excuse to waylay every attractive young woman who’s unfortunate enough to wander into his field of vision.
Godley apparently wants us to believe he’s “flirting” with the women he so awkwardly approaches, but flirting, like the Tango, takes two, and all but a few of the women in his videos make it abundantly clear from the get-go that they want nothing to do with him. This doesn’t seem to faze him much, and he plunges ahead, trying his best to keep up with them as they endeavor to escape his presence as quickly as possible.
Take the unfortunate woman who catches his eye at the start of this video, and who finally manages to make her escape a little short of the one-minute mark.
In this next video – skip ahead to about 50 seconds in to avoid some rather pointless wandering about — we see two failed “flirts.” His first attempt, if we can call it that, consists of nothing more than him standing in the vicinity of an attractive woman while surreptitiously filming her. After giving up on her without saying a word he runs smack into the “beauty” of the video’s title, and pesters her for about a minute until she manages to get away.
After a brief and awkward attempt at conversation punctuated by her nervous laughter, Godley gamely tries to convince “Beauty” that he’s “doing a movie for the festivals.” When she asks which festivals he’s talking about he unconvincingly stammers something about “Cannes, Sund – the usual circuit.” Even though she clearly wants to put as much distance between herself and him as she possibly can, he tries to force his card on her and plaintively asks “do you want to meet again?” The answer, a nervous “no.”
This next encounter – in which our hero barges into a restaurant to pester a woman who apparently looked briefly in his direction as he walked by outside — even Godley recognizes is a flat-out failure.
Godley has posted literally hundreds, maybe even thousands, of these “flirt” videos. None of the ones I’ve seen have gone well. Once in a while an exceptionally tolerant woman will chat with him briefly without actively trying to flee; that seems to be about as good as it gets. The rest document what is essentially serial street harassment, with Godley approaching woman after woman, none of whom give him any indication that they want to talk to him, and “flirting” with them until they can get away from him. It’s the same story, again and again and again.
Why does he do this, making video after video of these so-called “flirtations” and posting them on Youtube? Is he simply a masochist, approaching women he surely knows have no interest in talking to him, much less “flirting,” and posting evidence of his humiliating failures to Youtube for all the world to see?
Perhaps. But even more disturbing than the masochism is Godley’s obvious sadism. Despite his social awkwardness, it’s clear from the videos that Godley knows full well that the overwhelming majority of the women he “flirts” with just want to be left alone; it’s clear from their body language before he approaches them, and from everything they say and do after he starts talking to them. If a woman literally flees from you, that generally means she’s not into your shit.
But Godley doesn’t really need to be reminded of this. He’s well aware that he makes women uncomfortable — in this video he asks a woman if she’s really talking on her phone or just trying to get rid of him. But that doesn’t stop him.
He’s not missing the social cues; he’s deliberately ignoring the clear “noes” these women either tell him outright or telegraph with their facial expressions and body language as clearly as if they were shouting “no” to his face. Were he to approach random men on the street in a similar way, he would almost certainly get himself punched on a regular basis.
Luckily for him, he’s approaching women, and they’re much smaller than he is. It’s telling that he almost always approaches individual women, not the “sets” of two or more favored by most pickup artists, and that he seems to prefer approaching the supposedly more pliable Eastern European women also favored by so many manosphere assholes and creepy pickup artists.
Godley’s not-so-well-hidden hostility towards the women he approaches comes to the surface at the end of this video, in which he attempts to “flirt” with a woman photographing a tree and then then asks for her phone number as she tries to get away, an all-too-common ending to his videos. SPOILER ALERT: She doesn’t give it to him. SPOILER ALERT NUMBER TWO: He pretends he didn’t really want it anyway.
Even if Godley has managed to collect a few genuine phone numbers or email addresses along the way – and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that this is a regular or even an irregular occurrence – his alleged “success” in this endeavor comes at a steep cost. Not just to his pride – I don’t actually give a shit about that – but to the hundreds if not thousands of women he’s harassed along the way.
George Godley, a terrible pickup artist and an even worse human being.
@cassandrasays
man, I keep wanting to quote everything you say on this topic with QFT, but I’ll stop, cuz that’d get annoying XD
I want to take this paragraph home and feed it homemade pasta and expensive wine.
So here’s a suggestion – when you can feel your knee jerking, stop and think about why that’s happening instead of doubling down on whatever it was you said while in mid knee-jerk, rather than assuming that everyone else is being unreasonable in their response to it.
Yes, Marie. Seriously.
Marie… I hope you will take this as a complement, because I mean it as one – You are ADORABLE. I just want to hug the stuffing out of you.
The entire paragraph with Xenonic in it was an extended insult around the theme of shooting oneself in one’s foot, and Xenonic is one of my favorite insults of the bunch.
Scientology has ruined the word Zenon for me. Now every time I see it I think someone is talking about Zenu, and then I want to run away before they can offer to hook me up to one of their money-milking machines.
@timetravellingfool
So are you hissy that people were calling you out on your ablism? Or hissy that Deoridhe was acting ‘mean’ to you?
…ok, it has one piece of implied splatter damage, but I’m ok with insulting Scientologists.
Oh ffs, TTF, you ramped up the stuff with insults and talk about grade school and all that shit, you’ve been defending your wrong position all along and just getting deeper and deeper into troll territory (oh my feelings!) while talking to two people who are regulars here – they’ve posted more than you have for some time – and we’ve all seen you in full flight insulting trolls (and, btw, insulting regulars with that racism rant back in the day) so please, just cut this crap out, you’re making a colossal jackass of yourself.
@TTF
Please drop that, ASAP. Unless the person is doing something that is often associated with a particular illness, please don’t wonder if someone doing something you criticize is actually mentally ill rather than someone who is willingly doing something you find disagreeable. Because that’s barely a hop, skip and jump (if that) from people who do things that I find wrong are probably mentally ill”, which is having border wars with “mental illnesses make people do things that I find wrong”.
@kitteh’s
I’m not sure if you meant that intent is not required in order to be malicious, or if you meant that whether or not he had malicious intentions is irrelevant. If the former then TTF is actually right that malice is, by definition, intentional. If the latter then *fist bump of solidarity*
LOL Xenon/Zenon had me thinking of the Scientologists, too!
@deoridhe
D”aww. *blushes* I take it as a compliment. 😀 Thank you 🙂
Hey now, Cassandra, I have reiterated that I mentioned what I did sincerely believing I came from a good place. I think the commentary on her is great and I have learned a lot from it, but I do not mind mentioning when I am in disagreement.
Honestly, probably part of what set TTF off was the imbalance of classism between us, judging by how he referenced my degree several times, and I’ll own that. I am privileged re: class and education, and my insulting style reinforces that rather than undermining it.
::returns fist bump to Shadow::
It was the latter. I do think he’s being malicious, but it’s not important whether he was or wasn’t: that doesn’t make matters any better for the women.
@ marie- Are you a liar or a thief? Quick, decide, or I get to pick both!!
@ Kitteh- I remember. They were being pretty racist.
@fool
Um, bwuh? You’re really going to have to explain what you meant by that, cuz I don’t understand it.
@ TTF
I literally have no idea what you meant with that last comment, unless you mean “the commentary on here”. But yeah, it does sound like your knee was jerking pretty hard, and I don’t think it’s smart to pick fights with other people when that’s happening.
@ Kittehs
I think the initial impetus was probably “I want to meet a pretty lady!” but once you’ve tried this approach a few times, observed that it leads to things like the staff at Pret A Manger side-eyeing you and the women you’re trying to talk to running away, and you persist anyway, at that point you’re being motivated by sexism in one way or another. If you weren’t then you’d stop.
@ Shadow- The insinuation that I might be ableist seems to have grown into a full fledged assumption that I am, in fact, ableist. Or I am in imminent danger of becoming so?
hey, deoridhe, I used to invent languages too! (along with drawing complex imaginary maps)(and thinking how environment might impact on language)(when i was about 11 or 12)
TTF – actually what pissed me off about a lot of that conversation was your insistence that it’s racist to be attracted to only one’s own race. As someone who’s attracted to one person only, who happens to be of my race, I found that pretty insulting. There’s also the little matter of where one grows up: not everyone here is in the US, and I grew up in a white setting. I saw a total of two PoC in my childhood. Those things shape one, and sexual preferences aren’t things one can change with a snap of the fingers even if one’s aware of the cultural influences on them.
@ marie- It’s a false dilemma- you pick a horn to argue or you let the person who presented it decide which is right. it’s a great rhetorical device!
hey TTF, I’m not a frequent commenter here but you’re acting kinda strange. It seems really out of character from your previous comments.
Cassandra – yeah, it’s the guys who never wake up to it, or worse, start doing either the “I am so ugly, picky bitchez, oh noes” or just the generalised women-hating, that are the real skeeves. I think we’ve had a few male commenters pass through here who’ve had a taste of the PUA stuff and realised what a load of shite it is.
I’ve read half the thread, but I just to jump in with a pet peeve. PLEASE do not even contemplate getting a Husky or Malamute unless you are 110% sure they are the dog for you (same for any dog obviously). I would actually be really happy if they weren’t available because they’re BEAUTIFUL and they are the wrong dog for someone to get who is not super dedicated.
They require ridiculous amount of exercise. But they overheat very easily. They require extensive grooming (less so with the silky show coats but proper thick coats, lots). They are super intelligent, so get bored easily. They are independent minded, so they can and will try and work around you, and they are amazing workers but not the easiest to train. They are high drive, and even if they’re friendly with your cats/other exciting things, they’ll probably fixate very easily on any other moving object. They love digging, they’re incredibly good at climbing, they are epic escape artists. They’re very “wolf like” dogs, so are more likely than many other breeds to react to things like eye contact and other inappropriate human behaviour (unless taught properly). They tend to be dominant, so need a strong owner.
In short: smart dog that needs training, some sort of job, preferably a run and a walk a day, but at the ends of the day when it’s cool, and you need to actually be a strong dog owner, not just think you are.
I am also deeply uncomfortable with breeding mini dogs – they tend to have dental issues, more likely to have luxating patellas and tear cruciates, and my main problems – tend to be bred by people for teh cute so really not responsibly, and bought by people to be treated as soft toys. So I do not like the creation Klee Klai one freaking bit.
/rant