Well, I have to give the terrible, terrible fellows at PUAhate credit for one thing: it was thanks to a post there that I ran across the videos of the exceedingly creepy pickup “artist” and minor Youtube celebrity that I’d like to bring to your attention today.
Meet George Godley, possibly the world’s worst pickup artist. Actually, I’m being a bit generous in my description here, because there is no artistry at all to what he does, just a gimmick: he carries a small video camera with him as he wanders the streets of London, apparently thinking that this gives him an excuse to waylay every attractive young woman who’s unfortunate enough to wander into his field of vision.
Godley apparently wants us to believe he’s “flirting” with the women he so awkwardly approaches, but flirting, like the Tango, takes two, and all but a few of the women in his videos make it abundantly clear from the get-go that they want nothing to do with him. This doesn’t seem to faze him much, and he plunges ahead, trying his best to keep up with them as they endeavor to escape his presence as quickly as possible.
Take the unfortunate woman who catches his eye at the start of this video, and who finally manages to make her escape a little short of the one-minute mark.
In this next video – skip ahead to about 50 seconds in to avoid some rather pointless wandering about — we see two failed “flirts.” His first attempt, if we can call it that, consists of nothing more than him standing in the vicinity of an attractive woman while surreptitiously filming her. After giving up on her without saying a word he runs smack into the “beauty” of the video’s title, and pesters her for about a minute until she manages to get away.
After a brief and awkward attempt at conversation punctuated by her nervous laughter, Godley gamely tries to convince “Beauty” that he’s “doing a movie for the festivals.” When she asks which festivals he’s talking about he unconvincingly stammers something about “Cannes, Sund – the usual circuit.” Even though she clearly wants to put as much distance between herself and him as she possibly can, he tries to force his card on her and plaintively asks “do you want to meet again?” The answer, a nervous “no.”
This next encounter – in which our hero barges into a restaurant to pester a woman who apparently looked briefly in his direction as he walked by outside — even Godley recognizes is a flat-out failure.
Godley has posted literally hundreds, maybe even thousands, of these “flirt” videos. None of the ones I’ve seen have gone well. Once in a while an exceptionally tolerant woman will chat with him briefly without actively trying to flee; that seems to be about as good as it gets. The rest document what is essentially serial street harassment, with Godley approaching woman after woman, none of whom give him any indication that they want to talk to him, and “flirting” with them until they can get away from him. It’s the same story, again and again and again.
Why does he do this, making video after video of these so-called “flirtations” and posting them on Youtube? Is he simply a masochist, approaching women he surely knows have no interest in talking to him, much less “flirting,” and posting evidence of his humiliating failures to Youtube for all the world to see?
Perhaps. But even more disturbing than the masochism is Godley’s obvious sadism. Despite his social awkwardness, it’s clear from the videos that Godley knows full well that the overwhelming majority of the women he “flirts” with just want to be left alone; it’s clear from their body language before he approaches them, and from everything they say and do after he starts talking to them. If a woman literally flees from you, that generally means she’s not into your shit.
But Godley doesn’t really need to be reminded of this. He’s well aware that he makes women uncomfortable — in this video he asks a woman if she’s really talking on her phone or just trying to get rid of him. But that doesn’t stop him.
He’s not missing the social cues; he’s deliberately ignoring the clear “noes” these women either tell him outright or telegraph with their facial expressions and body language as clearly as if they were shouting “no” to his face. Were he to approach random men on the street in a similar way, he would almost certainly get himself punched on a regular basis.
Luckily for him, he’s approaching women, and they’re much smaller than he is. It’s telling that he almost always approaches individual women, not the “sets” of two or more favored by most pickup artists, and that he seems to prefer approaching the supposedly more pliable Eastern European women also favored by so many manosphere assholes and creepy pickup artists.
Godley’s not-so-well-hidden hostility towards the women he approaches comes to the surface at the end of this video, in which he attempts to “flirt” with a woman photographing a tree and then then asks for her phone number as she tries to get away, an all-too-common ending to his videos. SPOILER ALERT: She doesn’t give it to him. SPOILER ALERT NUMBER TWO: He pretends he didn’t really want it anyway.
Even if Godley has managed to collect a few genuine phone numbers or email addresses along the way – and I’ve seen nothing to indicate that this is a regular or even an irregular occurrence – his alleged “success” in this endeavor comes at a steep cost. Not just to his pride – I don’t actually give a shit about that – but to the hundreds if not thousands of women he’s harassed along the way.
George Godley, a terrible pickup artist and an even worse human being.
@Deoridhe
is MTF male to female? Sorry, bad w/ acronyms 🙁 And is it related to mental illness? My uninformed flag is flying high today, sorry. Anyway, answer if you want, don’t if it makes you uncomfortable/ you just don’t want to 🙂
Also, I think exposure to PUA can provide men who want to act like this with an excellent way to justify their behavior to themselves. Which is part of why PUA isn’t as harmless as the guys who defend it want to pretend it is.
@ Deoridhe- Or, if you aren’t a mastermind in social theory, you could think to yourself- What possible social prop could I use to talk to women I don’t know – and come up with- cameras!! Because I document stuffs!! And fail to communicate on a personal level literally thousands of times. And never see this as odd because a) you clearly aren’t that good at basic human interaction or you would realize the camera isn’t so great a prop after time three and (more importantly b) You Are Following A Harmful Model That Assures `Success`If All You Do Is Persist.
Oh, no big deal Maria. MFT is Marriage and Family Therapist. I have a graduate education in psychology, which includes the education and ability to diagnose people with mental illnesses. That’s also my job – though I work with adults with persistant mental disorders, which means usually they are incapable of working and need a lot of support to remain stable in the community instead of in an Acute Ward or long term care (both of which remove their liberty).
Cat and bear …
http://youtu.be/BSCurUDCc38
@timetravellingfool: Stop being an Abelist asshat and go walk barefoot on legos.
Yeah, the guy in the OP is an asshole, not mentally ill. C’mon, TTF, you’re not new here, you know better.
Marie – George Godley’s line. I think Cthulhu’s Intern quoted it. Definitely not TTF, zie is most definitely a regular! Sorry, I should have made it clearer, comments appear so fast.
@deoridhe
Ah. That explains 🙂 I just hadn’t heard it before, and just used google *blushes*
Why do people bend over backwards to explain away asshole behavior? Asshole behavior is a discreet thing, it doesn’t need to be kink or mental illness.
Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
@kittehs
That explains it. 🙂 I just got confused by how fast the conversation moved XD
Following PU theories despite their lack of success isn’t stupidity either so much as being too sexist to be willing to admit that maybe treating women like people might work better. It’s what happens when “raging misogynist” meets “stubborn as a mule”.
Aaaaand I fucked up “discrete.” That one gets me every time.
No worries Marie. One of the downsides of a graduate degree is we bleed jargon.
@ Marie- I am not excusing it so much as not feeling the hate-on- I just don’t sense the dark-side from this one. I get a lot of hate from the dudes posted on this page, but this guy just seems like he has no idea society gave him tacit permission to interfere with women’s lives and he just doesn’t seem, um, angry? Resentful? He just seems compulsive.
If only asshole behavior was a discreet thing. That would be nice.
Yeah, I don’t know why you’re taking this line, TTF. The guy’s getting away with harassing women – who knows (or cares, frankly) if he wants any more than that and is failing? He knows he’s creeping people out, he’s being a predator even if he doesn’t think of himself that way, he shows he thinks he’s every right to do this, he’s not trying to engage in real conversation – everything points to monumental douche, not someone with any sort of mental illness.
Internet diagnosis is always a bad idea.
Even the traditional means of diagnosis, several hours face to face, is coming under fire because of issues with clinician bias and poor self-reporting. Personally, I usually wait several months getting a feel for someone before I check their diagnosis. In one case, a diagnosis I disagreed with for the first three years of knowing th eperson came into stark relief during a time of stress and turned out to be more accurate than I had thought.
Humans are complicated.
Internet diagnosises are always a bad idea.
Always.
Always.
Also, ableist (since it implies to be an asshole means you must have a mental illness) and stupid.
@ Deioridhe- Look, I am being sincere here, but if you wanna throw down I will go all night. I mean a graduate degree with a MTF specialty!! How often do I get to have such a stimulation conversation?
Marie nailed it – the whole “mentally ill” veers way too close to the “Oh but he might have Asperger’s! He doesn’t know what he’s doing! Why can’t you be niiiice to him?” line that gets trotted out every time some selfish, can’t-be-stuffed-thinking-of-women-as-people creep waves his sense of entitlement around.
Whoa, TTF, no need to double-down, you were in the wrong, shit happens.
I’ll make popcorn if anyone wants some.
@timetravellingfool
Not going to say you should hate him. Everyone reacts differently to hearing about misogyny (or receiving it) but it’s just plain wrong to act like his reasons are mental illness. Not all misogynists are mentally ill, and not all mentally ill people are misogynists. There probably is a big over lap, because like everyone, mentally ill people are very varied, but I don’t think mental illness is the cause of his misogyny.
I think he does actually want dates/sex/whatever and I still don’t think his behavior is the result of mental illness. Misogyny+ exposure to stupid PUA ideas + poor social skills pretty much explains it. Possibly there’s a bit of “woo hoo I’m an ex-pat so I can get away with pretending not to understand the local customs” in there too.
Um, dude, not an MFT specialization. An MFT – which is a graduate degree in psychology – you know, the field that helps diagnose and treat people with mental illnesses? That means I’m a trained therapist and I have conservatively about eight years experience with people with mental illnesses.
What are your credentials, exactly?
For pity’s sake, TTF, knock it off. You got called out for something – and you’re not slow to do that when others step out of line – just own it, will you?