The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before — are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
This site is becoming irrelevant? That’s news to me. By who’s measurement?
Also, I am a woman and went out in public today. In fact, as part of my line of work, I touched and rubbed several nearly naked men (Massage therapist, get your minds out of the gutter)
And yet I have yet to be ‘offered’ sex.
In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever been, randomly.
Holy Crap! You guys had so much fun while I was gone.
Trollboy: First you want someone’s picture and then you ask for womens’ sexual hstory, even though mens’ histories might be more helpful? That was borderline pervy.
Just case you aren’t a perv: I transitioned from virginity to sexually active at 20 or 21 years old. Two women wanted to date me and both of them approached me. They approached me not because I was handsome (I was not) but because I made it clear in some class discussion that I was a feminist. (In your face anti-feminists!)
The other Trollboy: you win? You are a chewtoy. You are an entertaining abuse receptor. (“food, wine, a little personal abuse”) As such you are a uniter, not a divider, and a really sad and pathetic individual.
Cheekbones? Many African-Americans and Native-Americans from Mexico and Meso-America have prominent cheekbones. Its quite attractive, but it does not follow that less prominent is less attractive.
Speaking of attractive men with mighty-shanks of a nose (old Dr Who ref.), no one mentioned Danny John-Jules. His latest is “Death in Paradise” and even with the grey in his beard he still has it.
“High Noon but with goobers”
I thought the original was a bit gooberish as well. Gary Cooper leaves Katy Jurado, who was every bit his equal (and did I mention it was Katy Jurado?), for an obsequious Grace Kelly. Even as a child I called bullshit.
clairedammit- I always preferred the line “but she only sings when she’s on top” to the original “but she only comes when she’s on top”- it’s funnier for several reasons.
I know that’s not what you meant, but I wish trolls worked like The Clapper. TROLL ON! TROLL OFF!
Nope.
Jeeze, I go away for a week and y’all have a trollsplosion.
The Stepford Knife, I don’t think I heard that before, but yeah!
“Neil Strauss is rich, famous and successful from having been a PUA… he never let baldness get in his way, and neither should the whining incels.
Incidentally I’m writing this as a woman who has a baldy for a boyfriend, after I asked him out. Before you ask- no, he’s not a millionaire, he can’t drive, I’m taller than him in heels, and none of these things bother me. In fact, I like to pay my own way, I have never had any preference for height (and being about the same height has its advantages, nudge-nudge wink-wink) and I hate cars. I find all of these things- and more- attractive about him.
Humans are complex and so is attraction, I wish the MRAs would accept this.”
He isn’t rich, famous and successful from being a PUA, he was a rich, famous, successful writer who then wrote a book about being a PUA, which also sold very well.
Might I ask how old are you?
I think being bald as a guy isn’t too detrimental at an older age, I’m 21 and going bald so I’m very much hindered by it. How many 18-21 year old girls want a balding boyfriend?
My best friend was balding at 13 and had shaved his head entirely by 18. Of all my friends, he did the most dating.
Oooh, this is tempting! Should I? Should I tell him?
Virgil has been banned already.
that is like more manosphere buzzwords strung together in a sentence than i’ve ever seen before. i’m so stunned, i’m all out of capitals. [slow clap]
pecunium, i’m gonna take up a collection to make that into a t-shirt for you, and i hope you’ll wear it with pride.
@ its all about personality….
How many 18-21 year old girls want a balding boyfriend? Well to judge by the president of the student association at my college, I would say about 20% of the female population of the school. Also a fair number of young men. And probably non-binary people as well although I am not personally aware of them.
He mostly managed this by being an interesting, friendly, outgoing person, and NOT BEING AN ASSHOLE.
Coincidentally, he is also still friends with most of his ex-girlfriends, and is the only one of my ex-boyfriends I still visit on occasion.
“My best friend was balding at 13 and had shaved his head entirely by 18. Of all my friends, he did the most dating.”
Obviously its not everything but letting my hair fall out is hardly going to help my chances. It also depends a lot on the individual, some men can pull off having no hair better than others.
I don’t see why men trying to prevent their hairloss is so different from a woman covering a flaw with make up. There is plenty of advice for women who wish to learn about that, why shouldn’t men have advice on their looks too? Most average guys sorely need it.
Now that’s what I call pretentious! Jeez.
clairedammit- here you go:
No, ItsAllAboutPersonalityJKlolololol, you may not. Piss off.
Jesus, I wish these whiny children would go away.
Dude, go bald or don’t, but let’s not pretend that’s what hosing your chances.
Are you fully aware of all the products designed to help men deal with hair loss? It sounds like you’re not.
My sister was one. She still likes ’em bald. So was my best friend from high school. She married a bald guy.
But you know, your ugly attitude is the reason. No one wants to be with a guy who is a nasty jerk.
I personally am not a fan of bald guys but I have dated them in the past. My current MASSIVE HUGE crush is on this guy. And he is not super hawt lookswise or anything by anyone’s standards but he is hilarious, really nice, and very responsive to people who like him.
Having someone I can talk to means that I will be able to talk with him in years to come-a person who is just looks but no personality means that there will be nothing to talk about.
I give you THE LAPDOG OF THE MATRIARCHY.
(Not my best work.)
“Jesus, I wish these whiny children would go away.
Dude, go bald or don’t, but let’s not pretend that’s what hosing your chances.”
You literally know nothing about me at this point, or my chances, or what might or might not be damaging them. I don’t understand why I’m being met with such hostility.
You might want to change your username for that argument.
PUGS ARE SQUEE
Itsaboutyouyouyou: We’ve had an influx of whiny young men of late. The chances that you are here for anything but raging at us while asking for dating tips is roughly slim to none. When you don’t get the response you want, hilarity will ensue.
“You might want to change your username for that argument.”
So implying that something other than personality has a factor in attraction is the issue?