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How to Hate and Envy Every Single Person in the World, PUAhate edition

Some guys get all the chicks
Some guys get all the chicks

The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before — are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.

As one PUAhater put it recently:

PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong

the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it

So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.

But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.

Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.

One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:

To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?

Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.

Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.

But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)

The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.

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freemage
freemage
7 years ago

So, instead of using embed, I just copied the link and WordPress took care of it. Fun!

Gillian
Gillian
7 years ago

YURG!!! I can’t make enough changes to make the text show up as text and not as coding! but it looks like you got it, though!

Gillian
Gillian
7 years ago

No Fair!! That never works for me!! Misogyny!! (Channeling an MRA in reverse for fun and lulz)

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

I got lucky, I guess. Anyway, bestest moment in the video is at 1:20.

Gillian
Gillian
7 years ago

The end reminds me of the time one of my girls got all excited about a pigeon on the windowsill that she ran across the room and lept at the window…

…only to hit the screen and bounce back onto the floor. Poor girl. Those pigeons were city pigeons and they knew she couldn’t get at them. They teased her mercilessly!

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Answering the mega thread bit by bit, and pushing the comments up whilst doing so – win! 😉

Marie, Mr K is “dead” in the earthly sense – he passed over in 1643. In his earthly life he was Louis XIII of France. We’re in contact almost all the time (not right now, since I’m doing manboobz stuff, lol). Hence the blather from brainlesscouldbeMrAltroll about consent and so on. There’d been a great conversation going on in the New Year’s Day thread about seventeenth century fashion and boots and whatnot, which the troll was presumably reading before jumping in to that one.

I don’t know what prices for ordinary canes would be like in the US – your prices seem to be lower than ours for most stuff – but mine was about $35 from a pharmacy. It does all it needs to – is adjustable (very important) and can take 100kg weight (far more than I weigh).

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@kittehs

Ah, that explains it. Well, some. I still don’t see how the troll leaped from dead in the earthly sense to not consenting, but I don’t speak troll.

I don’t know what US cane prices are. I’ve never really talked about it before XD

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I think it was just an atttempt to cause hurt – usually is with that sort of troll stuff. Failed completely, of course! 😀

Falconer
7 years ago

*holds nose, plunges into Doctor Who*

My beloved points out that there was a poster in the elevator of the hotel showing the Statue of Liberty, and as we all know, an image of an angel becomes an angel. If they can get into Amy’s brain I think it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that they can take over any humanoid statue.

Maybe the angel isn’t a corporeal being, but can move about to some extent outside of a body? Maybe enough angels together can possess Liberty and move her around.

Hell, the Ghostbusters did it.

But I’m inclined to categorize Doctor Who not so much science fiction as a fairy tale. You can have pretty much any concept you want in Doctor Who, and it’s the story that holds it together, not the science. That being said, if the story doesn’t hang together, then we do have a problem.

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Don’t give up on this thread now, people! We have to keep it going!

http://youtu.be/Wkpt7XIM5ro

Funny comment under this one: “I had to go eat glass just to get my manliness back.” 😀

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Ahoy, Falconer! Did you see that Argenti found the comment where that troll was waffling about Mr K and consent and stuff?

thenatfantastic
thenatfantastic
7 years ago

I just read this WHOLE THREAD and now I am dead.

For all the incel whiners, this is all I have to say.

Oh and especially for whoever it was asking for more videos of nice boys kissing, this one’s pretty good:

I’m going to bed now. No one comment any more until I get back, I can’t read another 19 pages tomorrow!

Deoridhe
7 years ago

Somegirl: I cannot imagine how much it would SUCK to associate touching with pain. You have all the sympathies, and the magical floating world where nothign touches you so y ou don’t feel pain land I just made up with my mind because I keep going D8 D8 D8 D8!

Re: Privilege – Privilege can get weird around the edges, but I think most things can. As a concept it’s more useful in agrigate than in predicting individual experiences – it’s like demographic statistics, for example. In aggragate, men are bigger and taller than women, but the overlap is huge so for any individual man vs. woman you can’t predict relative size. I personally find it really helpful when I’m trying to be allyful with other people, though, because it reminds me of how limited my own view is, and gives me some insight into what kinds of things I could be missing. It’s hard for me to be humble about my capacity for understanding because I really do try to understand, but any claim I can understand anything is sort of instantly undermined because simply by saying I could understand what a refugee in Somalia feels like is both really bloody inaccurate and pretty appropriating (especially if I’m using my hypothetical refugee as a trophy for ‘look how cool I am’). I know the whole “You can’t understand what it’s like to be X” was a major stumbling block for me when I got into social justice, though, and the concept of privilege is one of the wedges I use to break that wall.

Re: Wishing violence on others – I personally think it’s a combination of a desire for forced empathy (something which can’t be forced) and a way to vent rage. I feel such rage over so many things, and it’s like it never ends. Anita Sarkeesian is followed by Quvenzhané Wallis is followed by Jane Doe in Stubenville is followed by Adria Richards… and none of them are the same, and most of them are offenses to differing degrees, and all of them make me SO ANGRY. It’s hard to figure out what to do with that anger, because HULK SMASH isn’t going to do it, but so many times i feel so overwhelmed and helpless I just want a perpetrator of this bullshit to feel the same pain I feel.

But all that does is compound the pain, not solve anything.

What I try is to have empathy for people while disapproving of their behavior, but that lingers dangerously close to “love the sinner, hate the sin,” and I so hate that.

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I just read this WHOLE THREAD and now I am dead.

Whoot, does this mean David’s a medium? Or his blog is?

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“Do not attempt to run heavy machinery or do blockquotes while on this medication.”

pecunium
7 years ago

I got a whiff of privilege before it was a widely known thing. I got to be black. My house was robbed (I was about 14), and the police were being very nice about taking my statement, etc. Then my stepfather came to the door. He was black.

The cop stopped talking to me, right then, folded his notebook and the two of them left.

He didn’t even finish his sentence.

Deoridhe
7 years ago

Aww crap, pecunium.. that blows. Just… man.

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck …

pecunium
7 years ago

Deoride: yeah, but I learned a lot; right then and there.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Falconer — I don’t know that that really works, but fuck it, you’re right about the image of an angel itself becomes an angel (hilariously, I think I checked that quote and that wording is off, but I like it better 🙂 )

Aslo, you read erfworld or just order of the stick? Because holy fuck shit damn stop it guys! Jaaaacckkk…noooo!

Freemage
Freemage
7 years ago

pecunium: Guh. That’s horrible, yeah.

Doomkitt3n
Doomkitt3n
7 years ago

@freemage
That video was hilarious!

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I didn’t get in early enough to say it before, but nice to see you back again, Doomkitt3n!

I keep looking at the kitteh in your avatar and thinking, “That tea must be cold by now …”

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

Gillian:

“The end reminds me of the time one of my girls got all excited about a pigeon on the windowsill that she ran across the room and lept at the window…

…only to hit the screen and bounce back onto the floor. Poor girl. Those pigeons were city pigeons and they knew she couldn’t get at them. They teased her mercilessly!”

Heh. My friends used to have three cats. Wolfgang was pretty much lord of the manor, Johann was the super serious cat that you suspected would be just fine in the wild, and the third, Hypatia, was the hyperkinetic kid (despite being technically no longer a kitten, she was also a runt).

So one day, Johann has got major league weapons-lock going on at the patio door. They look over and realize there’s birds near the patio edge, just hanging out. Curious, my buddy gets up, goes over, and sets his hand on the door-handle. Johann maintains his focus, haunches starting to quiver a bit. Buddy slides the door open, almost silently–and at that moment, Hypatia comes dashing out of nowhere, jumping over Johann, and landing in the center of the patio and looking around with this expression that reads, “Heyheyheywhat’sgoingonwe’regoingoutsidenowyeahthat’scool!”

Naturally, the birds fly off instantly. Johann, in turn, gives Hypatia a look that can only be interpreted as, “If we were in the wild, I’d have to eat you now,” and sulks off.

freemage
freemage
7 years ago

Doomkitten: It’s a whole series. Very fun to watch, especially if you have a ‘pretentious art-house foreign movie’ phase hidden in your backstory *cough*.

CL
CL
7 years ago

Just FYI, we can’t just ‘call ourselves’ physical therapists. We have to have the degree and a license and everything. There are good and bad PTs and good and bad chiropractors, in my opinion. My biggest issues with chiropracty (as a PT) are 1) those that apply one style of treatment to every style of patient regardless of patient presentation and 2) those that don’t address independent self management outside of treatment, such as with an exercise program etc. Just manipulation is not going to solve/manage anything long term.

Yoyo
Yoyo
7 years ago

Marie, thank you for your good thoughts. This has been a wild and wacky thread but that’s one of its best qualities.

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Freemage – I LOLed reading that story! I can just picture Johann’s expression.

😀 😀 😀

Yoyo – this thread’s a whole lot more fun than the Godley one. That’s gone strange but not in a good way.

Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Super serious cats! I lived with a Bengal for awhile, thankfully she never took interest in my fish as anything besides something to hide under (the 55g stand has about a 6″ gap under it, she’d curl up under there and you’d just see big round eyes watching your every move)

Not so serious that I couldn’t make friends over pepperoni though, she couldn’t open the fridge if you closed it good (yes that means she could open it if it was so much as a hair open, and would)…pizza is apparently delicious to cats too.

Pecunium — I know I said this last time I heard that story, but seriously, that’s some fucked up shit. Even accounting for racism I can’t work out the cop “logic” — I live with fucking conservatives and I can’t figure out wtf they were thinking. Not that knowing what they were thinking would make it less horribly racist, or any better for you and family, but not being able to make heads or tails of wtf someone was thinking makes me go GRAH.

joanimal
joanimal
7 years ago

Ok, since there was a vid of two guys kissing, I offer a pic of two women kissing. However, its not so much cute (at least for me) as it was moving, I actually wept. I thought the human race may actually be headed toward a better place. Don’t worry, I had a drink, came to my senses, and I am back to being convinced the human race is doomed. 😉

If that didn’t work, here is the link: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02091/sailorKiss_2091645b.jpg

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That’s a lovely pic, joanimal – and yes, it is moving.

doomkitt3n
7 years ago

@The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help Thank you =^.^= I’m not sure how good cold tea is, but I do drink my coffee cold all the time…

@freemage “especially if you have a ‘pretentious art-house foreign movie’ phase hidden in your backstory *cough*.”

I’m not sure if its in my backstory or my present… although in my backstory I did star in a few pretentious art-house movies – not foreign though unless you count Canadian as foreign. The joys of being close with an independent filmmaker =^.^=

I have two cats, Sasha who is old and mainly sleeps but was quite the huntress in her youth, and Nubby who is missing his back paws (he was born that way) who is full of attitude and doesn’t let his lack of paws hold him back.

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Missing his back paws! Do his back legs just sort of end?

Miss Katie was one hell of a huntress in her earthly days. I once saw a young wattlebird sitting on a low branch scolding her. It took off, she took off, and she caught it on the wing, with a bit of greenery from the tree thrown in. Suffice to say that bird did not learn not to scold cats that close.

doomkitt3n
7 years ago

@ The Kittehs’ Unpaid Help Yes, his back legs do sort of just end, he has half of the foot part and is missing the paw part. When he was born his umbilical cord was wrapped around his legs so his paws didn’t grow. I never thought he would be able to jump but he can jump about as well as any cat. My floors aren’t carpeted though, so Nubby skates around most of the time which is pretty cute.

I never saw Sasha hunt because it was before my time, but she hated everyone until she met me – she is the most loving cat I have ever known.

The little one just woke up crying though, so I have to go for tonight =^.^=

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Niters, doomkitt3n! 🙂

I’d love to see pics of the kitties if you have any you’d like to share.

BigMomma
BigMomma
7 years ago

@Marie, what CL said:

My biggest issues with chiropracty (as a PT) are 1) those that apply one style of treatment to every style of patient regardless of patient presentation and 2) those that don’t address independent self management outside of treatment, such as with an exercise program etc. Just manipulation is not going to solve/manage anything long term.

sorry for delay, different time zones? I’ve been out most of the day. I’ll ask Mr BM if he wants to add to that when he gets back from work.

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

We also have two cats; the elder statesman is Stranger. He’s slowed down a bit in his somewhat advanced years, but he once caught a bat in our old apartment. That was… ‘fun.’ I saw it, yelled in surprise, causing Stranger to drop the bat, which was healthy enough to fly around the living room for awhile.

The younger cat is Kamikaze, Kami (or crazypants) for short. She’s a very high percentage Egyptian Mau, which are a very old breed and a very fast one. We took her and her brother in when they were something like six weeks old, after their mother disappeared. The boy was very weak and died the first night, but Kami thrived. At 2.5 years. she’s a hellraiser. She’s also lovely, we could pass her off as a purebred Mau, show quality, but her eyes stayed stubbornly amber. And, you know, no papers.

Both of our cats are awesome. and we adore them. Though I’d really adore a bit less scratching from miss crazypants.

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

Does anyone have any tips for dealing with a bad run of bursitis pain? My hip has been bugging me since the weather went wonky at the end of last month. It’ll go down for a bit, but a big weather change or really cold weather have me feeling like there’s an ice pick jabbing into the joint. I started prednisone today, and been resting on the wonderfully heated bed, scarfing down advil. I can’t elevate it, isolation is really hard and hurts , too. Any advice?

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Ow, Kathleen, that’s nasty. I don’t know anything about bursitis, so anything I got from the internet would be stuff you already know about. 🙁 Are topicl treatments any good for it?

Your kitties sound gorgeous – Egyptian Maus are such a beautiful breed. Have you any pictures you’d like to share? /kitty pic begging mode

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*topical. Vowels, I haz them.

BigMomma
BigMomma
7 years ago

@KathleenB, Mr BM suggests ultra sound guided steroid injection.
@Marie, I’ll ask him re chiro when he’s not rushing back out door.

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

BigMomma: Thanks, but I’m… gonna keep that as a last resort. Needles and I don’t really get along. Especially one long enough to get to the joint. Plus, it did more harm than good with my bad ankle.

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Do topical treatments help at all? I’m trying out hemp seed oil for my leg troubles, but I haven’t yet found anything to say whether it’s helpful for bursitis.

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

Kittehs’: These are all I can find at the moment. Apologies for the quality, the tablet doesn’t have a flash.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/94262571@N03/

KathleenB
KathleenB
7 years ago

Kittehs’: Not so much. I think it might be because the bursa is kind buried in the joint. I’ve got four more days of prednisone, hopefully that’ll be enough. All my other courses have been 7-10 days, but at a lower dose (10mg three times a day vs 50mg once).

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Kathleen, your kitties are lovely – and Kami is sooooo pretty!

I had a feeling topical wouldn’t be much help with bursitis, dammit. 🙁

Fribbie is having a howl in the lounge at present … I have no idea why. Because she can, probably. Or else she’s getting impatient ‘cos we haven’t sat down to watch telly yet.

Totally OT: pic I did just now. It’s in the Pioneer Women’s Memorial Garden in Melbourne.

http://i.imgur.com/tHGIAEn.jpg

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

It’s not magic, it’s science. SCIENCE of alchemy…

OMG, Ed? Al?

Kind of incoherent here, but are you snarking that they call it science. Cuz when I first started watching that show and Ed (think Ed said it first) it’s science not alchemy I started cracking up. Still loved it, just made me roll my eyes.

Well, it is a loving snark on both FMA and Dr Who–any show that insists it is SCIENCE fiction when the science has suddenly turned into a transparent excuse for the plot. A science fiction plot drops into the fantastical when your paradox just, WHOOOOOOPS, didn’t happen in the first place.

Or when your previous inviolable rules turn to mush.

😀

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@Argenti:

Aslo, you read erfworld or just order of the stick? Because holy fuck shit damn stop it guys! Jaaaacckkk…noooo!

When erfworld switched over to text-only updates I couldn’t take it… switching mediums hurts my brain.There used to be visual cues! Now I have none! Now I can’t differentiate the characters! When I read a book I build up elaborate mental models to handle this. They aren’t built! It’s not working for me!!

…but that could be just me.

@CL

Just FYI, we can’t just ‘call ourselves’ physical therapists. We have to have the degree and a license and everything. There are good and bad PTs and good and bad chiropractors, in my opinion. My biggest issues with chiropracty (as a PT) are 1) those that apply one style of treatment to every style of patient regardless of patient presentation and 2) those that don’t address independent self management outside of treatment, such as with an exercise program etc. Just manipulation is not going to solve/manage anything long term.

Not to mention that in some places regulation of chiropractors is still, um, self-regulated, mostly.

Howard Bannister
7 years ago

@KathleenB

Does anyone have any tips for dealing with a bad run of bursitis pain? My hip has been bugging me since the weather went wonky at the end of last month. It’ll go down for a bit, but a big weather change or really cold weather have me feeling like there’s an ice pick jabbing into the joint. I started prednisone today, and been resting on the wonderfully heated bed, scarfing down advil. I can’t elevate it, isolation is really hard and hurts , too. Any advice?

Holy crap, me too!!

Exercise and stretching. I have a list of stretches my PT gave me, and I use a stairstepper. You’d think the stairstepper would make it hurt more, but it actually helps a lot. It’s more the impact of walking that hurts it than the movement, so taking twenty minutes on the stairstepper actually really helps.

But it sounds like your hip may not lend itself to the stretching and exercise route. 🙁

My PT had a topical treatment of steroids combined with, um, driving the steroids in with electricity. It was a little weird, but it penetrated in without needles.

Google is not helping me find reference to this.

historophilia
historophilia
7 years ago

Lovely picture Kitteh! Was the weather that good or is it just an optimistic photo? 😛

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