The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before — are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
Looksie, one simple explanation.
All those evo sciences you put s much faith in, they explain human behaviour in the broadest of terms (as in all of humanity). Any decent evo scientist will tell you that A) a brush so broad as an entire species has absOlutly no ability to predict the behavior or motivation of any given individual, B) that evo psych has problems with being developed with an unconcious western and racist bias that they have to be very careful of when trying to design even the simplest theories/experiments and C) there are major conflicts in in eco psych theories when they try to match those theories against sociology, anthropology, biology, archeology etc etc.
Evo psych may indeed have some interesting things to teach, but as a field it has a long way to go before it becomes an accepted and reputable field.
I’m going to say something and I want it to be clear that I do not intend to engage in any virgin-shaming. And I want to make that clear to the regular posters and lurkers because I don’t really care what Looks_Law thinks.
Ahem* You are obviously dealing from a lack of real-world experience in dating/attraction/human romantic and sexual interaction. Because of this you are truly incapable of understanding the complexities of human romantic/sexual relationships. The fact that you insist on refering to it, exclusively, as “mating” pretty much proves how little you know. I know that you think you understand science but you don’t. Human beings are some of the few animals that engage in sex purely for pleasure. “Mating” often has nothing to do with it. In fact we actively try not to procreate. Do you understand?
I am not a peahen. I’m not a firefly or a lioness or even a bonobo. I am an animal. I am also sentient, self-aware and, like all of humanity, I am as shaped by history and culture as I am by hormones and genetics.
We are not lions, peacocks, or fireflies. Chew on that for a bit and get back to me
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but we are animals, just like lions peacocks and flies
Looks_Law has done a great job of trolling these comments. David probably thinks it’s all real, and writing another super serious blog post.
Seriously, David, why don’t ya head on over to the Onion and get some real news.
Here I go to sleep and I miss the addition of “Science Troll” to Manboobz. I’m really wondering what’s up with the capitalization of science in his postings, it’s not a proper noun and yet he’s using it the same way Christianity or Utah is used.
@Looks_Law
I think you’re missing the point that all animals are complex and the features for mate selection you’re referencing in animals are just one of the factors. Let’s take my favorite example, the noble hyena. Among hyenas the females definitely choose their mate (and if you’ve read anything about hyena sex and birth you’d agree they’ve got a right to be picky) and as a rule of thumb they choose submissive males. But it’s not the only feature being rated, there’s also health, fur patterns, the male’s status among other males, how the male interacts with hyena pups, and probably other factors that are opaque to the outside observer. It’s not just one factor.
The long and the short of it is that the more complex the species and the more social it is the more complex and hard to pin down their mate selection will be.
Now as to the golden ratio… nice try. There’s no question that human beings find the ratio visually appealing and that it appears a fair bit in nature. But here’s the funny thing, if you alter the image of a human face to completely follow the ratio and symmetry you plunge headlong into the uncanny valley.
“Hey, you give me pants feelings, wanna go out?”
That’s how it’s done.
I don’t set up a bower and dance. I don’t scratch a bare spot in the jungle floor and imitate every sound I hear.
Hell, I don’t even play you the song of my people.
And it don’t matter who asks the question, the other person (regardless of gender) gets to say yes or no.
QFT, but of course doofus sockpuppet will simply ignore this and continue masturbating all over the thread.
I would like to see him incorporate the word “mating” into his attempts to pick up women in clubs. I would also like him to record the results and post them on YouTube.
Humans are not merely animals, though. Things might be less complicated if we were. Our animal being/nature/history is necessary but not sufficient to explain NASCAR and Surrealism and fusion cooking and Hollywood and Esperanto and Eskimo poetry, to say nothing of courtship and mating.
And, by the by, you meant to write “fool proof” up there. And there simply is no wholly quantitative way to explain human behavior. Only fools think there is.
And our point is that it’s far more fucking complicated that your little vending machine scenario, duder.
Looksie, what makes you think that there is onle one mechanism to human mating? No human society is so totally stable that only one mechanism is needed.
We’re mocking misogyny dipshit. That’s the whole point of the blog. Don’t like it? Go start your own blog where you mock the mocking of misogyny.
We are animals. Lions, peacocks and fireflies are also animals.
But there’s no “just like” there. We’re most closely related to chimpanzees and gorillas and bonobos, but there’s still no “just like” there.
David, why do you have such trouble identifying obvious trolling? It’s called “Shitty Advice”. They give shitty advice. Are you really that stupid that you think it’s all real?
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please tell me that this isnt the real Ross Jeffries? a fucking PUA.
As we are identical to peacocks and flies, I don’t see what Looks’s problem is. Regardless of his face or body type, all he has to do is walk up to a woman, fan out his magnificent tail feathers, vomit his enzymes onto some discarded food and he’s good to go!
Another part of the confirmation bias that is skewing your thinking here is that you insist on the case set of PUhaters as being composed of a non-homogeneous grouping of individuals. And then you insist that their singular, anecdotal experiences mean that the case set of all women is homogeneous and universal.
It becomes pointless to poke Looks_Law if he will not admit that in a man (M) approaching a woman (A) he *chose* not to approach the other women (B, C, D).
Yes, A had the choice of kiss/not kiss M.
But M has already made the choices *not kiss B* *not kiss C* *not kiss D*
B,C, and D did not have any choice whatsoever. They were rejected when M approached A.
Until Looks_Law can concede this point, I will find him disappointingly unentertaining.
(Note: Kiss is a simplified version of interact. These are theoretical entities, not real people.)
Here’s what I don’t understand. Say it was a fact of biology that blah blah, all the stuff he’s waffling about. So? So what if women do the picking? If it’s SCIENCE and innate then it can’t be changed, so what’s the point whinging about it?
(Please note that this is not SCIENCE, it is PETULANCE.)
When was the last time a peacock made risotto with peas and mint, picked the perfect viogner to go with it, and cued up some Louis C.K. on Netflix because he and his peahen wanted a quiet evening in?
Ignoring the CHOICE the guy makes in asking HER rather than someone else..
…my last relationship happened when I took my head out of my ass and realized I was being romantically pursued by a co-worker. Took a clue-by-four to make me realize it, but I did. So yeah, MY choice to date her, her choice to persue me. Before that, someone else had expressed an interest in me, but I simply wasn’t interested back, despite being closer to an incel nice guy whiner back then. My choice.
Relationships take two people. BOTH have a choice, as it should be.
I’m trying to figure out what the fly or peacock equivalent of Mr C asking me if I want beef or pork roast for dinner is.
I can’t figure out why this kid is even fucking here. Well, I mean, besides the obvious: getting attention.
If everything they say is true, all of it – every bit, then there’s nothing that can be done and they’ve found/created the perfect online community. Why are you bothering us?
“We’re mocking misogyny dipshit. That’s the whole point of the blog. Don’t like it? Go start your own blog where you mock the mocking of misogyny.”
Are you really that scared of being mocked? Haha. A blogger falls hook, line and sinker for troll posting, and treats it like it’s real. Holy shit, I need to check this guy’s archives to see if he’s looked on 4chan and found anything that needs super serious critical analysis.
Starskita,
the main point is that women choose the mate.
Men simply present themsleves as possible mates, but whether or not they actually become the final mate is dependant on the woman.
Men do the asking out
Me approach
Men initiate the kiss
Men initiate a seond date
Men initiate sex
In all spheres a woman is presented with options and CHOOSES whether or not to move forward.
Men do not choose a mate. I challenge this. Women CHOOSE who they want to be approached by, through various signals. If you do not get these signals you shouldnt approach!!! Which is why Im so against PUA’s because they completely ignore the fact that there is inequality, leagues, hypergamy and selective mating and that a man should first judge whether or not he is attractive enough to approach( something he will find out once he is given signals to approach)
My man bought me a pair new pair of slippers (in the shape of sheep) because he knows my feet get cold at his house and I wear cow slippers at my house. I’m wondering if this is the equivalent of fighting his rivals to death to prove dominance or killing all of my existing offspring to ensure that only his genetic line survives.
I’m just kidding; I don’t have any offspring.