The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before — are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
It isn’t hard, it’s pointless. You don’t understand enough about basic human interaction -let alone the genuinely complicated aspects of sexual interaction/attraction/chemistry- for me to even bother. You don’t understand what science actually is.
You think that LMS is biology.
You are a fucking moron. I’m going to chalk it up to youth and unhappiness. I’m going to hope that you grow out of it. I’m going to mock you for it; I don’t have any meetings until this afternoon and it beats going over my PowerPoint for the umpteenth time.
But I’m not going to indulge your delusions by trying to explain something to you that you, literally, do not have the ability to understand. I’m not avoiding you. I’m mocking you.
Gillian: @Dvärghundspossen You know, that’s the best reason I can think of to have as many casual friends of the opposite sex as you can manage. The more you hang around with them and watch them with other people, the more likely you are to understand how others think and operate, what their signals are, what the range of behaviors is that you can interpret as interest. And the more they hang around with you, the more opportunities there are for all your female friends to turn to you and say, “What the hell, guyfriend? She is totally into you. No really, she’s putting out all the signs, so go for it!”
I wish. I had lots of female friends in High School/College. Still fucking clueless. It wasn’t that I didn’t have women who were interested in me, it’s that the one’s I was interested in, I had too much invested in. As a result I was still scared to make any overt moves and a lot of shared interest was missed. Insecurity about my looks/personality etc. trumped all the theoretical knowledge. Sometimes I was confident enough to make a move, sometimes the woman was, but more than a few times the shared sense that, “they won’t like me” caused both of us to not commit.
The worst of those was one where we were both complaining to people the other didn’t know we existed, and sadly neither of us was complaining to the same people. To add more amusement, we were showering partners (she washed my back, I washed hers) and both of us too polite/intelligent/shy, to risk offense in the shower. All, I think, it would have taken was one of us trying to kiss the other and we’d have burned the place down, but we were young and clueless.
I don’t think it was until I was in my middle twenties that I got a gut level sense that looks aren’t all that, and my lack of muscular bulk wasn’t the massive handicap I was thinking it was. This despite not being “incel”, for my teens/early twenties. It helped that I was in subcultures where women were seen as equals, and didn’t have a lot of social barriers to seeking out men they were interested in; so most of my partners were older than I was. People who had figured out that if they didn’t speak up, they weren’t going to be heard.
But if I’d been limited to women my own age, who also hadn’t figured it out yet… I’d probably have had a lot less sex, and might even have fallen for the, “nice guy™” trap.
I certainly recall thinking lots of “jerks” were getting the girls, but I suspect (in retrospect) it’s because I (and others like me) just hadn’t clued in on how to make it clear we were interested. Positive feedback loop that is.
Falconer! You’ve had sex despite being a mangina feminist!
Your babies are friggin’ adorable, by the way. I’m tardy with the congratulations!
I almost forgot.
SCIENCE!!
How do you not understand that the act of approaching a woman is an act of choosing?
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Are you mentally insane?
the final decision on whether a relationship forms or not lies on a woman, therefore a woman chooses.
A man goes up to a woman, whether they go on a date or not is UP TO THE WOMAN.
A man wants to go for the kiss, WHETHER THE KISS HAPPENS OR NOT IS UP TO THE WOMAN
A man wants to move into a sexual relationship, WHETHER SEX HAPPENS OR NOT IS UP TO THE WOMAN!, ANYTHING ELSE IS RAPE.
Woman do the choosing, they hold the sexual power.
Ahem… SCIENCE!
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This is part of their problem. They believe that women are like vending machines — if you put your quarter in and choose a specific button, they are REQUIRED to provide you with a specific treat. And when this doesn’t happen, because women are people and not vending machines, instead of realizing, “hey, the real world doesn’t work like this,” they choose to get pissed at women for not taking their quarters like we’re “supposed” to.
No.
No kiss happens unless I want it to happen. Whether or not the kiss happens is up to me. Whether she wants to kiss me or not, it’s just as much assault if she kisses me without consent.
This is why we don’t take you seriously. Because you’ve taken an action with two actors and pretend one of them isn’t. You’re playing a word game to put it all on the woman. You’re either deluding yourself or completely dishonest with yourself.
I like how guys like this will go on about women having preferences and certain things that they find attractive in men and how terrible and evil this is.
But then they will attack the appearance of women they consider unattractive, “landwhales” being a case in point.
If you don’t like the fact that society is in many ways shallow and obsessed with looks and only presents a narrow idea of what is acceptable and attractive why are you contributing to that culture by shitting on women you deem to be ugly?
…with US. Completely dishonest with US. Being dishonest with yourself falls into the first category.
(sigh)
What’s more, I almost made her come once!
KING OF SEX
What “Science” has to say about mate selection:
(I hope that works)
Apparently when a man approaches a woman he has no choice in the matter. He’s hanging around, minding his business, possibly contemplating the nature of the universe and the next thing he knows he’s in front of some horrible, hypergamous woman and being rejected because the scientifcally proven biological theory of LMS.
It isn’t hard, it’s pointless. You don’t understand enough about basic human interaction -let alone the genuinely complicated aspects of sexual interaction/attraction/chemistry- for me to even bother. You don’t understand what science actually is.
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stop being a mental masturbator and give me a straight answer.
Peahens select mates based on the size and aesthetics of a peacocks feeathers in a competition amongst peacocks to outdo eachother. This is a basic outline.
FireFlies select on whether or not a possible male mate has a bright enough DOT on the top of its head or not
Lions battle to subdue eachother in order to gain absolute power over all females in a pride(strongest male with the best genetic potential expressed by his suppression of all other males)
why is that different to humans? Humans are animals! therefore there is a full proof quantitative way to explain human mating
Oh, but that’s all dry, boring stuff using all kinds of big words and terminology, starskita. It’s much sexier to just piss and moan about how women are biologically determined to be dirty whores.
And for good measure,
What “Nature” has to say about mate selection
Lions also murder the children of their predecessors to force their new females into estrus.
Male seahorses are integral to the birthing and raising of their offspring. Therefore human males are responsible for the vast majority of all child-rearing. It’s science.
@blitzgal
As a real-life scientist (although in no way a biologist) it’s just messing with me that he keeps capitalizing Science.
Because when you do that it means what I posted.
Although now I wonder what polymorphic self/nonself-recognition genes has to do with Looks Theory
dum de dum… wastes time reading abstracts.
Looksie, take a deep breath. You’re hyperventilating.
I didn’t call you stupid. At best, I’d say you are naïve, but you do seem willfully so.
Your points are irrelevant. No, really. Your assertions (they are not arguments, surely you recognize this?) are full of category and attribution errors. We’re not going to debate them, because they are fundamentally flawed and are much of what is getting in the way of you really gaining understanding.
However, if you want to have a real discussion, I’m totally game. But you need to dig down and find something, some comment you can make to demonstrate your basic willingness to engage in something other than shitslinging. Make one statement, one real question (without insults or ad hominem attacks), one offering in good faith. Act like a decent person, not a troll. Try it, just this once.
No kiss happens unless I want it to happen. Whether or not the kiss happens is up to me. Whether she wants to kiss me or not, it’s just as much assault if she kisses me without consent.
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Keep dreaming buddy LOL! a kiss happens only if a womans wants it to, keep thinking you have any sexual power….what delusional bastard.
Sex happens because you want it to right? LOL
A woman goes on a date with you because you wanted it to happen right? Not because you took a gambled, asked HER and waited for HER to choose whether she wanted to or not?
Hot damn, socky is dumb.
Looks has certainly zinged us with his list of hot male actors. I’m trying to think of a list of conventionally attractive female actors in Hollywood movies, and for the love of Charlize Theron I can’t come up with a single one.
Says the troll who’s whipped it out and jerked off all over his thread.
We are not lions, peacocks, or fireflies. Chew on that for a bit and get back to me.
Male seahorses are integral to the birthing and raising of their offspring. Therefore human males are responsible for the vast majority of all child-rearing. It’s science.
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you see this is how I know you are stupid and should sit this out because you have compltely misrepresented my point.
My point was that there is a MECHANISM to the way that humans select mates, just as it is in the animal kingdom, which was refuting the point made that human mating choice is not a Machine and cant be explained.
Now shut it.
David, why do you have such trouble identifying obvious trolling? It’s called “Shitty Advice”. They give shitty advice. Are you really that stupid that you think it’s all real?