The regulars at PUAhate.com – we’ve met them before — are a strange and bitter bunch. Most seem to be self-loathing so-called “incels” who blame their lack of romantic and sexual success on their average or below-average looks. Rejecting the basic premise of the pickup artist crowd – that average guys can transform themselves into suave lotharios by mastering manipulative pickup formulas – the PUAhate regulars tend to be true believers in what they somewhat pretentiously call “looks theory,” the odd and obviously untrue notion that women only date men with “male model” looks.
As one PUAhater put it recently:
PUA makes you think that all your problems are because of your personality/behaviour – i.e. things you can control. So when you keep failing, it means that YOU are fucking up and doing things wrong
the reality is that many of us just lost the genetic lottery. we are ugly, the wrong race, the wrong height etc, and that fucked us up. there is NOTHING we can do about it
So, naturally, the PUAhaters spend a lot of their time jealous of tall, good-looking men for their supposed monopoly on the women of the world — whom they also hate.
But the strange thing is that the PUAhaters pretty much hate everyone else as well. They get angry when guys they consider ugly score “hot chicks.” They get angry when guys who are good-looking but not male models get attention from “really hot girls.” And so on, and so on, and so on.
Indeed, many of the regulars seem to walk around in a perpetual state of rage, angry at each and every man who’s managed to pair up with a woman, not to mention the women as well.
One regular recently described his “day from hell” to his comrades:
To start the day I saw a couple where it was an average White guy with an OBESE Asian girl. They were walking around acting like they were trying to prove shit. LMAO. I wanted to kick the guy in the fucking nuts for dating that landwhale. If you’re going to use the racial advantage, at least date a girl who is under 300lbs. Later I go to the gym and see the same tall guys I usually do. Even if I had a good face, how the fuck do you compete with guys who are fucking 6’4”?
Then at the gym there’s this good looking White guy there talking to this Asian dude about how Asian girls are easy and how they approach him. To make things worse after that these fucking frat douchebags come in with their girlfriends to show off . Then to cap off the day a girl I used to know from freshman year walks right past me without even saying anything. I used to fucking live next door to this bitch and now she doesn’t even say anything and acts like a pretentious cunt. She’s an Indian girl dating a White dude lmao. Days like today make you wonder why you even still try in the first place.
Of course, as I’ve mentioned before, most of those posting on PUAhate don’t actually seem to be ugly by anyone’s standards but their own, at least judging from the pictures of themselves they sometimes post to the site, which reveal them to be mostly average-looking guys, with some of the regulars even quite conventionally handsome.
But evidently they would rather believe that they have “lost the genetic lottery” rather than face a more obvious explanation for why the girls don’t like them: because they’re shallow, self-obsessed assholes who hate themselves and hate women and radiate their bitterness from every pore. (And some are even creepier than this, like this pedophile – sorry, ephebophile – who’s angry at me personally because unlike him I don’t chase after 15-year-olds. Link NSFW.)
The PUAhaters often talk about getting surgeries to “correct” their supposed genetic flaws. They would do far better to spend that money on therapy.
I love how he comes in with the ‘well, women will never understand what this feels like, that’s what you don’t get, you bunch of ladies.’
A) I trust the women here to have empathy and understand life experiences they personally haven’t experienced a hell of a lot more than him.
B) We’re not all women here.
And just like that his central thesis explodes. Everything else is just psuedo-science–no, seriously, son, read a real textbook. A real one. I don’t care. Antrhopology, sociology, psychology–it’s embarrassing to see you trying to pass off Looks Theory… YOU CAPITALIZED LOOKS THEORY–as a Real Thing.
Embarrassing.
“A woman is always looking to trade up.” Right. Sure. Fine. I’m pretty sure your mum would love to trade up to a son who’s not spouting made-up unreal things about women to the heavens. Seriously, your mom is looking to trade up? Your grandmother? Have you talked to them about this?
Also, I think Emma Watson’s pretty, with the caveats that a) she’s too young for me, too; and b) acknowledging that white men finding younger women attractive is a thing that can be pervy and creepy.
Not sure why it’s necessary to specify white men in the sentence above.
Yes Matt Smith is a male model…for sheer geekyness!
Dude, the guy is tall, he’s also skinny as hell and as the Doctor he presents much more of the feminine behavioural traits than masculine ones. I will grant you that he has one hell of a browridge, but the rest of his face is also rather lacking in MANLY MAN looks. And yet all kinds of women would think twice about turning him down, even without him being a well known actor.
Skinny geeky guys with a sense of “what the hell, let’s have fun!” Are HOT.
I guess it isn’t, really, but I got caught up thinking about social power in the US. Sorry.
so, what is up with the cheekbones obsession?
^^^
Explain to me how humans select mates according to SCIENCE!
@Pillow: Yeah, if I didn’t watch Matt Smith being all Real Human Being on my Tee Vee all the time, I’d mistake him for a Pixar character seeing as his cheek bones are like a mile wide and then his chin is narrow.
It’s okay. I like cheekbones too but I don’t think they’re the end all be all the way those guys do. And all this stuff about “mid-face” and “too long mid-face,” and “too short” mid-face. They completely misuse the word “aesthetic.” They post images from, what I presume to be, random women’s social media sites and pick them apart with this nonsensical rating system. But then they do the same thing to men.
They really do just hate everybody.
I read through this whole thread about “Why do women like Tom Hardy?!” where people were seriously upset that women find Tom Hardy attractive because he isn’t attractive at all. And then others were rushing in to defend Tom Hardy’s looks and masculinity…
The whole thing was just weird.
You are so impossibly stupid.
It’s like our least favorite troll split into a thousand parts and they all went off and started a website.
Hi, higher brain functions! What’s that, you’re capable of doing things on levels that paramecium aren’t? Neat!!!
Seriously, your mom is looking to trade up? Your grandmother? Have you talked to them about this?
^^
You are a male feminist, I understand your aversion to the truth.
Now if you could kindly provide proof of a girlfriend ill be very happy.
LOL @ social anxiety meetups amd forums where the female posters talk about having boyfriends and the male posters are INCEL.
Looks!
EXPLAIN TO ME!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
Nope, can’t, won’t, don’t want to.
But that’s for other reasons.
Want to hear which man with pretty cheekbones I think is the prettiest? I have a list.
Exactly!
You are so impossibly stupid.
^^
wtf is stupid about that? what I find odd is you avoiding this question and not giving me a solid answer.
Human mating principles are explored in Science, Im sure you’ve read something somehwere.
Its simple you disagree with my claim, tell me how the machine works according to YOUR knowledge then….
why is that so hard?
Dammit, dammit, dammit! Why does all the fun happen after I go to sleep?!?!?!
No, but it’s totally okay to spew bile all over the place because someone was mean to you in a bar once…
Here’s the thing, Looksie. You need to get out and get some fresh air, because the crap you are breathing in is toxic. Meet real people and try to interact with them in a place where you can actually hear what they are saying. You might actually learn a thing or two about, you know, real people instead of just the straw women you keep railing about.
The most absurd thing about your barely coherent ranting is that you are being flatly ridiculous, never more so than when you try to tell a bunch of people here (many of whom happen to be women) exactly what we think and feel and keep insisting that we are wrong when you are contradicted, because we COULDN’T POSSIBLY KNOW WHAT WOMEN THINK!!!!
I mean, seriously?
Put this in the context of something less emotionally charged.
It’s like saying that all women are “deplorable” for liking pink. Because pink is so horrible and gross and whatever. And you haven’t read anything here or participated in the conversation up until now, you just came in because you knew there were people here who happened to identify as (and more importantly with) women, so you figured this would be a good place to get people riled up by saying how awful women are because they like pink.
But if you’d taken a little while to read and get to know folks here, you would know that some of us may like pink, others may be revolted by it and we acknowledge that pink can be a very particular taste. And if your own behavior were less awful, you could probably get one or two of us to explain why pink is so popular, from a woman’s perspective, and we could also tell you about the history of pink as a cultural signifier (because as late as the mid twentieth century for most of the world, and to this day in some places blue is considered more “feminine”). And you could even ask us how to make yourself more visible to women who also think pink is vile, and where to find women who prefer blue, or green, or grey, or black.
You could, you know, treat people like human beings and act like a human being toward them.
But you’re a coward. You’d rather rant and insult people. We understand this. Don’t piss in the crystal and tell us it’s lemonade, dearie.
Have I introduced you to my babies?
BOOM. Done.
Oh, fuck off with this bullshit. How do you not understand that the act of approaching a woman is an act of choosing? There are problems with the societal norms of the man being required to pursue the woman. That will get no argument from me. But what is complete and utter bullshit is the idea that women are the only ones who are choosing/rejecting. The act of deciding what woman you want to approach is a choice and a rejection of all the women in the room that you have decided you do not want. And the woman that you’ve approached has a reciprocal right to choose/reject you. No one has more power than the other in that scenario, and the women who do not get approached at all and who go home alone also are acutely aware of their rejection.
Fer serious, this was old when Freud did it.
Looksie, your fundamental mistake is right here
There is no “machine”. Human beings are not algebraic equations. Spend a little more time paying attention in science class and a little less time reading junk science on the interwebs and you’ll get better results.
I mean its easy, you disagree with my points about how humans select a mate according to Science, right?
So clearly you know something I dont. tell me more. dont call me stupid for asking, tell me what you know?!
I mean are you kidding me?
THE MACHINE.
This disagrees with everything I know of Sociology, Anthropology, and Psychology.
Read more.
QFT
This mating machine doesn’t work no matter how many times I kick it! I want my money back!