I haven’t been paying much attention to the recent brouhaha over Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg’s new book. But I feel safe in saying that MRA lackwit Christian J.’s “Sheryl Sandberg, Your Usual “Modern” Crass, Arrogant, Sexist, Biased Female” may be the dumbest thing anyone has written, or ever will write, on the subject.
Mr J’s post on WMASAW – the blog that used to be called What Men Are Saying About Women – starts off with a puzzling description of Sandberg as an “arrogant Lindsay Lohan Look-a-like, [who] Promotes sexism, bias and hate.” (Um, what?) And it only gets worse from there:
It is amazing what these sexist and abusive, addled females get away with while they continually praise themselves and raise themselves as being the “Saviours” of the world with the “If Only Women ran the World” meme. Take Sandberg for example, the bastion of that left-wing mentality … .
Yes, that’s right. Mr. J is describing Sandberg as a “bastion” of left-wing thought. Mr. J and the English language are not good friends.
They make the claim that “Equality” is about the aim of making women level with men, erm! level suggests what? In every area possible, even if it means reducing standards and tests and lowering anything that women have problems with. …
Every time they make the same claim that (Lindsay Lohan Look-a-Like)Sandberg bloviates about here, like every other member of that same HATE movement, it was never about anything else but giving women a FREE ride to the top and don’t anyone every dare hold them back because there would be screaming and wailing and it would be introduce another excuse to cry that usual lie of “holding them back”, amazing.
In reality, it’s because job placement used to be based on merit and ability, even though that has been tossed out and replaced with quotas in favour of women. It has everything to do with sexism, v*gina and pro-female “Equal Opportunity” as Sandberg denies is the case. ….
What a sexist loathsome, despicable female.
Mr J. then quotes a couple of not-exactly earthshatteringly controversial comments of Sandberg’s:
“I think a world that was run where half our countries and half our companies were run by women, would be a better world.”
“I hope that . . . you have the ambition to run the world,” Sandberg told Barnard graduates, “because this world needs you to run it.”
As Mr. J figures it, Sandberg is promulgating female supremacy here, “saying that every females alive could out perform any male. Sickening, petty, self-congratulatory, back-slapping and wishful thinking or what !”
I choose “what.” (They speak English in What?)
Mr J, for his part, seems to believe that, in an inversion of the the man-hatred he attributes to feminists, every male alive could outperform any female:
As far as I can see so far, those countries that have women in charge, are not doing that crash hot at all. …
Yet this odious and tedious Sandberg has the temerity to state that the world would be a better place run by women. What a complete, compulsive liar that women really is, women these days have problems being genuine and real, let alone anything else. But it does demonstrate that standard egotistical side of these “New Women”, who have been granted the easy option and helped along the way, every way possible by compliant men. Do they get any thanks for it, forget that. They just get the knife in the back for their efforts and gloat, even after changing conditions, being sued, forced to comply to changes that women demand and then turn around and state “Look at me, I am so good” .
Was that last sentence even a sentence? If so, please diagram it for me. I dare ya!
What hypocrites they are. It is about time men stopped capitulating to these arrogant and narcissistic females, stopped giving them automatic promotions, a free ride and start giving them some competition and let’s see how well they go then.
It’s always funny when blithering idiots suggest that women’s brains are inferior to their own.
Just leaving this for Dave.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dont-be-that-girl/338031706317108?ref=stream
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152671128425173
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152671128425173#!/pages/Dont-be-that-girl/338031706317108?id=338031706317108&sk=photos_stream
Thanks all!
Oh, so now JohnTheOtter thinks women are going to shoot him, is that it? Makes a change from
tearing down posterschopping him up with machetes, I suppose.Trigger warning for rape in those links DarthBatman dropped above. Thought someone should warn people.
They’re all links to an MRA page on Facebook. I’m not sure what DarthBatman’s intent was in sharing them…
@Bagelsan
I just lost a long response that probably wasn’t necessary anyway. Basically seconding what The Kitteh said about ambition and context, I think there are a lot of similarities* but the rape culture analogy isn’t perfect, and I don’t think telling women to ignore their instincts when it comes to risk is that great of an idea.**
*I can elaborate/retype my long response if anyone wants, but don’t want to start up something that was dropped just because I have thoughts.
**When I see thay women don’t do well by asking for promotions/raises and also don’t ask for promotions/raises as often as men, I don’t want to discount that it is possible the women who don’t ask are as much accurately assessing risk as they are conforming to a stereotypically feminine behavior.
Neurite, I would love that, I guess I need to start demanding more from relationships. I’m just not sure I have seen it happen. My parents relationship was traditional but my mum was always praising my dad for being so good.
Totally off topic, I have just listened to a conversation with a couple (I know eavesdropping is bad). He begun talking about how he was talking to his friends about her, and his frustration with her failure to take things forward in her life or with him or something similar. He then went on to a story that didn’t make much sense about how when he was little his dad only gave him 75c for a $1.25 ice cream and she wasn’t bought up like that so that is why she is like she is. It didn’t make much sense. I guess my question is it seemed a bit like emotional manipulation. Obviously I don’t know full story and can’t remember much as I was concentrating on book, but am I right in thinking this was odd?
If you wanna do it, do it. Don’t be passive-aggressive just because I don’t agree with you.
The “we’re lowering standards for womenz teh MISANDRIES teh INTELLECTUAL SUICIDE” argument grates me.
A certain advocate of MGTOW told me once that women are only more likely to be successful at university than men because the degrees they do are child-play degrees, which I assume means a degree that you could pass by drawing all over your exam papers with crayola.
I didn’t have the heart to point it out to him directly (although I made the information available where he could see it), that I completed last year in the same discipline with high distinctions in all but one (and I missed by a hair) of eight units, whereas it appears he failed to achieve the required average to merely continue into the next year.
Really? Did someone tell him about this lady? Cuz at least it is a nauseatingly stereotypical colored weapon.
princessbonbon: that woman is frightening.
Why would anyone shoot JtO when there’s boxcutters around?
Good grief, what an idiotic thing to do.
Yeah, who needs a gun when he’s scared of nonexistent mobs with boxcutters? Saying BOO would probably be enough.
I think that’s an important point.
I think there’s also a distinction to be made between “you need to be assertive” and “you don’t need to not be assertive.” That first statement is an obnoxious generalization, because people should be able to act how they want, but the second could actually be a helpful thing to hear because women so often do get told the opposite.
@hellkell
I’m so sorry that came off as passive aggressive. I was trying to be respectful. I agreed with you to let it drop and wanted to do that, but also though Bagelsan deserved a reply. When my browser ate my response I decided to wait and see if anyone cared enough before I tried to reconstruct it.
I am so so sorry. I really didn’t mean it that way.
Pear_tree, I wish you lots of luck with that! (Equitable relationships, that is, not figuring out that couple’s conversation… which does indeed sound odd.) You definitely deserve it.
Congratulations, Starskita! Enjoy your sleep while you can.
I’ve got two Mini Boobzers, Kendra has at least one (I think maybe two), and BigMomma has at least two (I’m inferring).
I can’t remember if TinyFantastic is direct descendant or wee sibling.
What do MRAs have against punctuation? This is a really question. I actually want to know.
Argh, their inability to write is infectious. Someone please send help.
Grammar Cats to the rescue?
TinyFantastic is wee sibling. 🙂
I’m really struck by how terrible Shaun’s links are.
@Cassandra See above Re: language arts as misandry!! I think Some Gal summed it up well.
@hellkell, I don’t like it any more than you do, but there is a statistically significant trend (though if I remember correctly it is also a generational thing) which demonstrated that women in leadership positions can be/have been as hard on promoting and supporting other women as men can. And if you think about it, the reasons are more or less straightforward; the pressures on women at upper levels are all that much higher to conform to traditional (ie male) modes of power and management. Granted, the studies I recall are from the late 1990s and very very early 2000s, and I’ll be happy to try to search for the ones I remember when I sober up (I always come home from the pub feeling gregarious but my google fu is currently depleted).
It makes sense for the same reason that there are feMRAs: there are always some who will benefit more from maintaining the status quo than from a change to a more equitable situation. I don’t like it, I don’t have to accept it, but let’s not kid ourselves that it’s out there…
I’ve skimmed part of the Sandberg thing now (yay kindle – traffic sucked tonight so while I waited it was either read or watch golf on tv… I won’t watch golf live…), and it all seems pretty anodyne. I’m still kinda pissed about her dismissing of mentorships: she seems to have this particularly regressive idea about mentorships being somehow about feelings and squishy ‘affirmation’. I never chose a mentor to “validate” my feelings, I wanted her to give me the honest assessment of the battlefield and show me where to find all the power-ups. Your best friends are there for you to cry on their shoulders. Your mentor is there to kick your ass back onto the field. I’m sorry Sandberg seems to have missed out on that opportunity.
@Gillian
I mainly think it is important because so often the disparities in business are portrayed as just the result of not enough women as though more women in leadership positions will magically fix it. I don’t believe that. I believe that, as long as the culture is one where women are discriminated against, just increasing the numbers of women is likely to have no effect or (worst case, but a possibility) make it even harder for other women.
@Some Gal I’m pretty sure I agree with most of that, at least the first principles. I’m definitely sure that simply having more women won’t necessarily change anything, especially as many of the women who have achieved leadership positions have done so by accepting corporate culture as given.
Oh, and by the way, WTF is it with so many women who are successful in their fields saying, “oh, sure, I think women deserve respect and dignity and pay commensurate with their abilities and experience, but OMG I’m totally not a feminist, y’all!!”
I’d be the last one to engage in gender essentialism, so I don’t think there are “male” values/behaviors and “female” values/behaviors except in the most vast, gross generalities. However I will say that corporate leadership generally, and finance especially, (crazyex’s brothers were a venture capitalist and a stockbroker…) partakes of a culture which privleges all that which is stereotypically (in an often almost comic way) hypermale – aggression, bravado, and insane, almost reflexive and automatic, risk taking.
So long as those are the attributes valued by corporate culture, only those individuals (regardless of gender) who embody those attributes will reach the upper levels of corporate governance. Expecting women who do so to get there and suddenly become everything that their culture has trained them not to be is unrealistic at best.
Of course, I’ve never considered those attributes to be all that valuable, and I don’t think corporate culture has much to reccommend it. But then again, I’m a barricades and manifestoes kind of gal most of the time…
@Gillian
I completely agree. And the “totally not a feminist” makes me roll my eyes every time. It just seems to me that, at best, the advice given by women who have made it is an individual solution to a collective problem.
Sanders has a pretty severe case of special snowflake syndrome/not like the other girls, imo.