Over on PUAhate.com, a fellow named Virgil challenges the widely held manosphere notion that women start losing their appeal once they hit their early 20s. According to him, the real turning point comes at the ripe old age of 25 or so. Why? Let’s let him explain — and in the process demonstrate how to use the word “c*ntathlon” in a sentence.
Behaviour has to count for something.
Any between ages 18-21 is in her Looks/reproductive Prime but The behaviour in these ages stinks.
Its like a competition to see who can out-cunt the other.
From simple things like skipping lines, to humiliating people in public, to ostracising people.
Its a damn cuntathlon.
We have to have some quality control here okes.
I fully agree that age 24-25 is the tip of the iceberg here folk.
Walk with me.
-she still looks attractive
-She’s starting work and therefore is in a controlled environment where validation is far less.Thus cooling the cunty behaviour
-she’s at the perfect equilibriu$ of grown up behaviour and youthful Looks.
Virgil gets some challenges from the regulars.
JackOfJokers argues that 25-year-olds are still as badly behaved as 18-21-year-olds, and not as good-looking:
Sounds nice in theory Virgil, but the truth is they still get validated fuckloads by desperate office guys, they’re super stuck up, and they definitely look much worse; fat, cellulite, wrinkles, shitty diet, etc.
Mechanical Animals agrees:
If you think girls act much different from 18-21 to 24-25 you are fucking deluded.
Life after high school is exactly that, a continuation after high school.
What does this mean is exactly that, the good looking people keeps living in a bubble of validation way past their academical period.
Life of the sub 8 is a dead end, a merciless damnation. Think about all these beautiful, fucking females. You will never touch them.
The “sub-8” bit is a reference to the notion, seemingly held by 90% of the denizens of PUAhate, that only “male models” ever get to have sex with women.
Genetically Inferior, meanwhile, makes the case for “jailbait.”
15-18 is prime for a female but nobody will admit it
This arouses much ire from the regulars, not so much because Genetically Inferior is being a crepy pedo, but because “at 15 most chicks barely even have any tits developed,” as the similarly named Genetics puts it. “Wake up to reality incel,” Genetics continues in a second comment,
stop comparing tumblr feeds and “jailbait” associated websites of the top percent of teens to the average titless whore. At fifteen you’re merely in grade 10, most chicks have little tits and ass to show for.
Doesn’t start getting good untill 17-18 then peak at 21
I gave up reading the thread at this point as it seemed to have degenerated into little more than a collection of “jailbait” pictures.
Shiraz: have a good day at work, and if you want to pick up the music history discussion later, I’m always down for that.
Smooches, Shiraz!
And yes, ecen the trolls who try to present themselves as reasonable usually drop the mask rather quickly. The ones who’re quite open about their awfulness, like Virgil, are often very entertaining.
This may just be because I’m a mean person, though.
@Virgil:
…You realize you are talking to a bunch of women right in this thread, right?
@Some Gal, I have such conflicted feelings about Steven Pinker. On the one hand, he has done some really important work in modern linguistics. He’s also a great popularizer of linguistics, and I’ve gotten so much from his books on that subject. But every once in a while, his choice of speech example is just needlessly racist or sexist and it is so jarring and u
@Virgil:
…You realize you are talking to a bunch of women right in this thread, right?
@Some Gal, I have such conflicted feelings about Steven Pinker. On the one hand, he has done some really important work in modern linguistics. He’s also a great popularizer of linguistics, and I’ve gotten so much from his books on that subject. But every once in a while, his choice of speech example is just needlessly racist or sexist and it is upsetting. He’ll also draw some larger conclusions from his linguistic data about human psychology that will be sexist or racist and totally ignore the influence of culture. Then I started reading some of his less linguistics-focused books and the sexism and racism became much more apparent. I wish our heroes didn’t disappoint us so often.
Weird double post is weird o_O I apologize.
Virgil, your obsession with Birkins and polo matches suggests a very narrow group of women. Even if it’s true that wealthy/upper-middle-class women are all as you describe them (I doubt it, but even so), you realize that not all women have money or time to worry about the frivolous shit you just described, right? Plenty of women are dirt poor or working-class, and we tend not to go to nightclubs or wear Manolos or even meet bankers and polo players, let alone try to “snag” them. The only reason I even know what Birkins and Manolos are is because of TV.
That could be why you haven’t gotten any substantial rebuttals of your “arguments”: your frothing rage is directed at a subgroup so narrow that your stereotyping is easily dismissed by anyone who’s even remotely aware that non-rich people exist.
And I’m curious about this whole “either a woman or a white knight/mangina” thing. Women who disagree with you are discounted because they’re women, and when men disagree with you it proves they’re not the right kind of men, which means you don’t have to listen to them (a little circular, but you do you, I guess). I’m just wondering, is there anyone who could disagree with you and actually be taken seriously?
IMO, if your worldview automatically excludes everyone who challenges it, you’ve lost the right to demand reason or logic from anyone else. There’d be no point in even talking to you, right?
@The Kittehs’
I loved Virgin (the history of virginity) and really liked Straight. Straight was really readible and informative, but too short. I think keeping it short was part of the point, the history doesn’t go back very far, but there were lots of places where a extra page or two on the topic would have helped and it needed more about heterosexuality today other than her personal examples. Her examples were good, just not enough. So, I recommend them both, but I recommend Virgin more strongly.
Okay, so maybe I spend more time thinking about PUA “philosophy” for my own good, but it is kinda fascinating in a sick sort of way. Kind of like driving past a car crash and not wanting to look, but also not being able to keep from looking, you know?
PUA “culture” isn’t all that good for women, that goes without saying. Having a segment of society actively training itself to be predators is just the very definition of not good. But okay, that one’s easy.
See, I don’t think it’s good for them, either. All the puers (pronounced pyooers, I’d say) I’ve ever encountered seem consumed by rage. The folks at the top, selling the snake oil to the rest of the pyramid below them, may indeed be getting laid, but scratch the surface just a little bit and out pours bile and hate. Anyone with that much rage, that close to the surface can’t be happy. It isn’t possible.
And for the rest of the guys, those who frequently and bitterly (oops! is it only we angry feminists who have ‘teh bitterness’?) insist on how loathsome they are (“I’m a sad, sorry 3/10, booohooo, pity the gelf”)? What’s in it for them to buy so closely into a ‘philosophy’ engineered to make them utterly unattractive to women (because of the stench of rage and self pity that settles around them) in a way that they could actually change and also at the same time to tell them that they are repellant for reasons they will never be able to do anything about? What kind of sick person keeps consuming a product that is designed to make him feel worse and worse and to move his obsession ever further out of his reach?
I spend a lot of my time with tech guys, some of whom have clearly bought into the puey mindset. They are a bit more subtle about it (maybe in front of me) but it is clear that they have internalized this message that they are utterly revolting and that there is no hope for them, ever. And the weird thing is that, except for one very particular case, none of them are all that bad (until they open their mouths, that is). Sure, they could stand to lose a few pounds (desk jobs really aren’t anyone’s friend) but for the most part, none of them are irredeemable. If any of them were to actually cultivate a female friend or two, and then ask for advice, most of them could get an after-school special grade turnaround without too much effort. A couple of the guys I work with are basically just a trip to a decent barber and a new outfit or two away from having women come up to them to talk.
Of course, there is still the problem of when they open their mouths and start to talk about “teh bitchez”…
@Gillian
There is something so wrong with our society that men (and women) are so into the idea that everyone has a perfect match that, when no perfect match magically appears, they jump to the conclusion that they are “utterly revolting and that there is no hope for them ever.”
And, while women really get harmed by this, both women and the type of men you talk about turn their frustrations on women (inward for women, outward for men), men get really harmed too.
The woman as reward trope, in particular, has really got to go in the long-term, but in the short-term, more teaching kids to question the stories we tell them and analyze our culture should help a lot and is an easier task, imo. (These analytical skills might also help guys like your coworkers look at PUA more critically in the first place.) Yet another reason the humanities are important.
I’m so sorry I missed the opportunity to engage in the crass and unfeminine behavior! LOL!!
This has always confused me. Say you’re a guy who’s not conventionally attractive and who finds it hard to connect with women. How is adding rage-filled rants about what bitches women are and an approach that’s deliberately confrontational supposed to improve the situation?
Virgil is what would happen if our most spat upon troll were to lose his girl to a Chris Hemsworth poster. Also, I don’t get why 6 ft is thrown out there as an example of a ridiculous height
@gillian
sorry to hear you have to work with pua-y people.
@shadow
I don’t know…I mean, isn’t 5’10” average for guys. So 6′ is a little taller than average. But…I’m lost.
Maybe a difference in perception based on the height of the person making the complaint? I’m a little over 5ft2, so anyone over about 5ft10 seems pretty tall to me. I once met a pro basketball player and to me he seemed like an actual, no-joke giant.
@Cassandra The only thing I can think is that it’s self-exculpatory. See, if you ‘try’ to talk to a woman and she snubs you, that just proves you were right all along and can settle back into the easy position of hating on everyone (including yourself). Because dating can be hard and a lot of work, and it’s easier to just sputter about how everyone you try to talk to flounces away.
And I wonder if it doesn’t provide an automatic point of potential bonding for lonely guys, because from what I’ve seen it only takes a tiny little comment before they are all “Yeah!” “And the makeup!” “Don’t forget the expensive purses and shoes!!”
But in the hours between those moments in the glow of mutual antagonization (not the word I’m looking for but the coffee is seeping slowly through the little grey cells this morning) what consolation does it offer, really?
Also depends where you live. In most parts of Asia, for example, 5ft10 is definitely not average for a guy.
In this case, it’s just that Virgil is a whiny asshole who’s drunk the PUA kool-aid. Funny thing…you know how we always have to remind people that feminism is not a monolith? I’m starting to think the reason they don’t believe us is that they are a monolith. They all sound so similar that it’s hard to tell them apart – I’m starting to wonder if there’s a factory that turns out thousands of identical whiny manchildren with entitlement issues.
@Marie Thanks. From time to time I’m horrified, but mostly I’m mildly confused and I pity them because so much of their misery seems to be self-imposed and self reinforced.
We just had another off site last night so I’ve still got some of the goo on me, which is perhaps why it’s fresh in my mind again.
I’m not all that attracted to Chris Hemsworth’s looks, by the way. Sexy voice, though. Does that make me the most hypergamous hypergamizer that ever rejected all men?
Wow, lots happened while I slept.
When I saw Virgil going on about Birkins, my head kept substituting Birkenstocks which was a funny mental image. “Real Housewives”-type women, dressed to the nines, wearing hippy sandals.
And polo? His hate fantasies seem so oddly specific. Wasn’t there a guy who said that the only sure fire way to get women was to take tango lessons?
Also, I have no idea who Chris Helmsworth is, and I’m too lazy to Google him.
@Marie
In most countries in the West it is, hence my confusion. It was an ego prick and a half to go from being one of the tallest, if not the tallest, everywhere I go, to being barely above average when I moved out here 😛
@Cassandra
Oh, no doubt on the perception thing, and ethnicity is also a factor there. But, it’s one thing to see a 6ft dude and think he’s tall, it’s quite another to think 6ft dudes are out of the norm unless you don’t get out much (and interact with only a small group of men), or just pay 0 attention to the people around you. Of course it could just be that these people use the term 6ft but don’t really know how tall 6 ft actually is.
Funny story about perception. For the longest time I used to love Gary Payton a lil extra because watching him on the TV I thought he was some dude my height that was ripping up the League. Then I found out he was 6’4″ loll
Christ Hemsworth is the first man who’s done anything for me in a while (I lean toward women as a rule). I love his smile – it’s so wide and genuine-looking. IDK, he smiles a lot and looks friendly, and it’s adorbs.
My lesbian friend also has a crush on him, which she finds amusing. For a while I suspected sorcery (like that episode of Buffy with the charmed jacket), but if it’s not working on everyone, then it can’t be that. Hmm…
All this is on the educated guess that dude’s a Western White cis-male
Chris Hemsworth is Marvel!Thor in the recent movies. He was also pretty adorable in Cabin In The Woods, actually. The way Joss recycles actors, I look forward to enjoying many more Whedon works with Hemsworth’s pretty face in them 😀