So there’s an old school type of Pickup Artistry called Speed Seduction in which, instead of simply trying to manipulate the ladies into bed, our would-be seducers try to literally hypnotize their prey by repeating prefabricated “patterns” that supposedly work on people’s subconscious minds without them realizing it. The whole thing is based on something called Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), which most scientists seem to think is quackery. Most of the pickup techniques inspired by NLP are beyond ridiculous.
One NLP-inspired PUA “pattern,” for example, involves using the phrase “below me” when talking to the Hot Babes. Since “below me” sounds vaguely like “blow me,” you see, the Hot Babe you’re talking to will be subconsciously primed to want to give you a blow job. And no, I’m not making this up.
The creepiest PUA “pattern” I’ve run across so far is something called the “Door Pattern,” invented by some dude named Alex Domnikov, and recently brought to my attention by Mike Booth, the guy behind the hilarious Some Grey Bloke videos on Youtube.
One PUA has described the Door Pattern as “the “bad boy” of all patterns. … evil and cruel, playing on the fears and deep insecurities of women.”
Essentially, the idea behind this little routine is to manipulate any Hot Babe you’ve somehow convinced to sleep with you into desperately worrying that you’ll abandon her. Why she would consider this a bad thing, I’m not sure, as PUAs are not known for being especially sensitive lovers. But we’ll just suspend our disbelief and continue.
[TRIGGER WARNING for emotional abuse in what follows]
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So how does this dastardly Door Pattern work? Well, after you’ve had sex with a woman, and she’s feeling all glowy, you point to the door and ask her “sweetheart, what’s that over there?”
And she’ll say, “well you know, that’s a door, silly.” And you say, “yeah, you know.. I’m a real positive person, but.. I mean, can you imagine.. I mean, you don’t know what can happen from day to day, when you think about it in your mind. I mean, what would happen if I walked out that door and the door closed and as the door closed, it slammed shut, and no matter what you did, you could not open the door and you knew that you would never be able to look into my eyes again and you’d never be able to hear my voice again and you’d never be able to feel my touch again.” Ok, right here is where she starts going, “I don’t like this door business at all.”
So you reassure her a little, and then it’s back to the “door business” again:
Have some more fun with her, bring her to another orgasm or whatever and say, “you know, a terrible thing happened the other day. My friend was hit by a truck. I mean, it was awful, by the time they got him to hospital he was dead. I can’t believe it, you know? It’s almost as if, it would be a horrible thing you know when you think about..” (point towards the door) “..that no matter even if you were to get that door opened and you were to search, that you could never find me again..” Then she starts freaking out. You calibrate more on that part of, “you will never be able to see me again, you’ll never be able to hear my voice again.”
Repeat as necessary, and pretty soon any time she starts to get uppity, all you have to do is point to a door, and – ta da! – no more “bullshit” from her!
Having anchored that sense of loss and pain to the door, you can trigger it whenever needed. Whatever negative behavior may come up that you want to stop, the first time you just get up and slam the door. Whether you walk out the door depends on the level of bullshit. On later occasions you can just indicate tbe door in some manner. The example Alex gives: If he’s talking on the phone and getting any crap from her, and he knows the relation of where the door is to her desk, he says, “sweetheart, could you please turn right and take a look at what’s over there..” and that was the end of the bullshit.”
Assuming the Hot Babe doesn’t either laugh in your face and/or throw you out the first time you pull this creepy shit with her, what we’ve got here is a template for ongoing emotional abuse.
Happily, one enterprising soul has turned the Door Pattern into an ExtraNormal video. I find that the robot voice in the video meshes well with the psychopathic creepiness of the content.
The Door Pattern is not to be confused with the Doors Pattern, in which you get drunk and babble on about Nietzsche and everyone around you tells you you’re a genius.
There’s a video for that one too:
Oh, and here’s a cat singing the theme song to Game of Thrones. For some reason this popped up on YouTube when I was looking for drunk Jim Morrison videos.
You definitely dodged a bullet with that one, BlackBloc. What a creep.
Seconding the “not all the way out” thought. He sounds like he wants to fuck guys without giving up one jot of his homophobia.
Yeah, Gen-X is different, here the Boomers are mostly conservatives with pretensions to ex-hippiedom.
You kinda were being laid back, really. It’s not like you were obligated to be, but you were. You calmly laid out what you didn’t like about what he was saying and made it clear you weren’t interested. What he means by “cool and laid back” is actually “willing to take whatever I dish out,” which is a different thing altogether.
It’s basically the same approach that women who’re bi get from older men, except for women you can add on the presence of a wife/girlfriend who’s being pressured into “experimenting” and who is just not into things at all. And it’s so obvious that you can tell without even meeting her.
OT but I don’t want it lost in a dead thread and I’m so happy to have done some writng together for the first time in ages: Louis’s blog entry about tails and other things.
Also, this is probably gonna be me (purposefully) misunderstanding some Canadian thing, but I am not PC just because I grew up near (and going all the time to) Disneyland! 🙂
Considering how homophobic Disney was I’m a little confused about that part.
And it isn’t like Disney is known as some PC corporation. Just look at their films ffs.
Not to mention how prone to gender role enforcement their rules for employees are. (And I don’t just mean the staff who’re in costume.)
I think it’s a class thing, a reference to living in some sort of magic kingdom. I was more confused about his oddly specific talk of rich parents from Ontario, which I assumed was an attempt at cold reading something that would make me feel self-conscious about not being ‘street’ enough.
(Dude, my parents both were the president of their respective union locals. There were nights we kids had to make our own supper because they were both at union meetings. I’m not lumpen, so maybe i’m not ‘street’, but I’m pretty fucking working class.)
I think he’s trying to make some dig that PC = living in a fantasy land. Nice to know that being a Big Real Man in a Real Man’s World = dissing everyone more vulnerable or less privileged than you. Fuckwit.
Ninjaed!
You also run across the occasional reactionary who finds the fact that some modern Disney heroines aren’t 100% helpless deeply offensive.
Disneyland = fantasyland makes some sense. It is the image they try to cultivate. (The reality doesn’t really stack up, but reality in general doesn’t really match up to his view of it so that works out.)
@CassandraSays
That is some serious reactionary-ism. Disney princesses still get massively screwed over, what more do they want? 🙁 The modern films also have more male villains so there are even fewer women doing things in total.
Cassandra: I don’t think it’s possible to be “too harsh” by immediately ending a conversation with someone you know you’re not interested in.
There might be wordings that are too harsh if the guy seemed to approach you in good faith (but that would really depend on the specifics), but I don’t think a plain statement that you’re not interested, or no reply, is at all unreasonable.
I’ve just noticed that a lot of other people seem to either offer explanations of why they’re not interested, or get into arguments about why the behavior wasn’t appropriate. Whereas if someone’s opening gambit is impolite I tend to think, why would I bother to even respond to this rude person? If people just feel like telling the rude person off then that makes sense, I’m more curious about whether other people think it’s standard to offer an explanation as to why you’re telling the person to get lost.
Do androphile androids dream of heards of queer sheep?
Both BlackBloc and CassandraSays behaved in completely reasonable ways, IMO.
If people think you’re beholden to offer a response in order to be polite, I can’t that just suggests to me that some people can’t take rejection and want to make you give an explanation so that a) the burden is on you to explain why you shouldn’t go out with them, rather than on them to explain why you should, and b) they have a chance to try to talk you into it and explain why they should be the exception to your rule.
Of course there are social situations where it’s hard to be polite without being a pushover, but I don’t see why we should care about politeness in those cases.
IMO it’s always more polite to ignore someone than to reject them outright, and that only people who want a chance to argue with you and explain why you’re wrong and/or are way too invested in you would want a response. And they are the kinds of people who you are best not engaging with.
Aaaaand cloudiah wins the thread. If not the entire internets.
@CassandraSays : Nah, I’m just a smartass in general and I need to do a running commentary on the Game. It’s for my own benefit.
When you respond to someone, they get their conversational foot in the door. If you just have to slam that door later, on account of them being creepy doucheweasels, then it’s cruel to wait until their foot is there! So blow people off quickly, imho. :p
Speaking of queer sheep…
@cloudiah
cutest queer sheep ever!
@bagelsan
why would xie’ve* need to blow him off quickly. Xie gave him a chance, and even told him what he was doing that was offensive. I don’t see why anyone should feel like they have to reject someone in a time limit.
*sorry, blackbloc, don’t know you’re preferred gender pronouns 🙁
I may have just misunderstood you, but it seemed like a ‘don’t be leading people on thing’ which is also often paired with ‘why don’t you give him a chance.’ So um….tell me if I read that wrong…I’m kind of rambly today.
@Marie
I think Bagelsan was being hyperbolic. Basically, if you see that the conversation will need to be ended with “door-slamming,” there is no need to wait. BlackBloc hoped the conversation would go better than it did (which there is no requirement to do, but no problem doing), and only later need to “slam the door.”
It isn’t as though guys who stick their feet in doors aren’t able to see the slamming coming (and don’t deserve it). They just seek to take advantage of cultural norms that make women refrain from slamming the door in the first place.