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Man Boobz Contest: Find the Whiniest, Most Entitled Response to Anita Sarkeesian

From "Damsel in Distress: Part 1 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games."
From “Damsel in Distress: Part 1 – Tropes vs Women in Video Games.”

So Anita Sarkeesian, who apparently didn’t run off with all her Kickstarter money to found a Misandist Gynarchy in the wilds of Canada, has  released the first video in her Tropes vs Women in Video Games project. (I’ve embedded it below.)

Naturally, this is causing great consternation in certain corners of the Internet (*cough* Reddit *cough cough* everywhere else that misogynistic nerds congregate *cough*). In the Man Boobz forum, Katz has started a contest to see who can find “the whiniest, brattiest, most entitled response” to Sarkeesian’s video on the Internet. So far Katz and Myoo have found a couple classic comments from irate Sarkeeianaphobes:

[H]ow does one go about stating that genders and gender roles are social constructs? I mean is evolution nothing to her? Does the patriarchy make male peacocks dress provocatively?

Yes. Yes it does.

And:

I’m gradually losing respect for the opposite sex. I’ve unfollowed people on tumblr who talk about how great she is, because it actually causes bile to rise in to my throat.

Yeah, that’s a totally reasonable response to a woman making a video about video games.

So anyway, I’m thinking we should bring the contest over here.

See what you can find! Consider it a sort of scavenger hunt.

Here’s my contribution, from the Men’s Rights subreddit, complaining that Damsels in Distress are the truly privileged ones:

mrsarkees

Amazingly, this acutally got called out on r/mr as being pretty damn stupid.

Also, I have another question, to add to the stack of other questions I’ve been asking lately: Just why do you think so many guys get so angry when girls and women invade what they consider a male sphere, like gaming? (Also, why do they consider gaming to belong to boys and men?)

Oh, and here’s the video that’s causing all this hubbub:

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Kim
Kim
7 years ago

they are legitimately used in movies, TV series, books and just about every other medium out there over centuries. What exactly is wrong with games doing that too

All of society is misogynistic and caters to me. Why can’t games do it too?

Even taking out the feminist aspect – relying on tropes like this is lazy writing. What is wrong with someone hoping that the people working in the medium she loves might try not to be lazy?

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“I didn’t read Michael’s joke as virgin-shaming – and I am virgin, too, by any physical standards. I read it as creepy MRA shaming: the why of guys like this being alone, not the fact of it. Which might be splitting hairs, I dunno.”

Yeah, and I’m bad at it. Or maybe really good at. Splitting hairs I mean. But I was bad at making my point.

Myoo
Myoo
7 years ago

From the same guy as my previous one, in response to someone who said that half his female friends play Skyrim, he says:

Half of your female gamers are probably not attractive (because they are gamers) so their opinions don’t really count + it’s an anecdotal argument.

megan
megan
7 years ago

she just saw kickstarter and though to herself “This will be a cool way for me to get free money for doing what I already do for free!”

Women working for money = free money

katz
7 years ago

Even taking out the feminist aspect – relying on tropes like this is lazy writing. What is wrong with someone hoping that the people working in the medium she loves might try not to be lazy?

Indeed, that’s a major theme of her criticism: If your whole story is driven by “a bad guy came and carried off a girl and we have to get her back,” then that’s a lame story.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@Kim

I think that “legitimately” was supposed to somehow stand in for “in ways no one ever criticizes.” So, since lazy writing would be a criticism, clearly what they are doing can’t be lazy. 😉

I also don’t think someone who is basing so much on an appeal to tradition would care much for original material. It is surprising they are so invested in such a new-fangled medium.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Myoo… Dennis was more than just weird. His factive, fictive shit was.. well… huh.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

Here I found someone who thinks that Sarkeesian should have enabled comments in order to be worth agreeing with:

I would have watched the whole video and listened to her point of view on the subject and even could have possibly agreed with some of what she said (gasp even as a guy) had there been the option of leaving comments. She or they just chose to ignore feedback to support or even oppose their cause. They are basically saying they are right, this is the way it is, we are not interested in hearing anyones point of view on the subject… period.

And, in response to the suggestion that he make his own response video on YouTube comes out with this:

I agree with you, though I don’t have a camera and no, I didn’t mean only my view, I meant others as well that may have had constructive criticism or incite. Shitty, depressing, depraved and disgusting as some of those rape/death threats and just close minded comments are, you can ignore them. Also maybe Youtube should have a “report” button so as to have those kind of comments looked at and removed?

So, you can just ignore these comments and also, maybe Sarkeesian should have made this on a better YouTube? Seems legit to me.

Metalmattz here and here.

Noadi
7 years ago

Half of your female gamers are probably not attractive (because they are gamers) so their opinions don’t really count + it’s an anecdotal argument.

Wow. I was going to write something snarky about that but I’m just at a loss for words.

Linds
7 years ago

Female gamers only count if they’re attractive, but guys can have opinions no matter what they look like! (Disregard the fact that if a female gamer is “attractive” she’ll probably get called a poser because no attractive women could be interested in gaming.)

Ick.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

Ow wow I was hoping the ‘they’re not attractive so they’re opinions don’t count’ guy was kidding. O_o

augochlorella
augochlorella
7 years ago

I’m really glad David made this post. I’ve been in a funk over this all day, and I really need to hear reasonable (read: not sexist asshats) people talking about this. I’ve considered myself a gamer since I was in third grade, and I can remember even then being shocked at how women were portrayed in games and struggling to find characters that I could identify with personally. It really frustrates me that some people can’t even admit that there’s sexism in video games. I mean, seriously, have you played like, pretty much any video game made ever?

What’s really gotten to me though is how this whole Anita Sarkeesian “debate” has brought out the misogyny in some of my gamer friends – people I’ve been gaming with since childhood and I thought I could trust. I may actually be a bit heartbroken right now. 🙁

yaoi huntress earth
yaoi huntress earth
7 years ago

Sexism in games is worth looking into, but it seems like the quality of her videos are no different than before. Maybe I was expecting a little more with her new budget.

bread
7 years ago

Sorry (not sorry) to self-promote, but i’m reblogging some of the vitriol on tumblr under the url http://final-boss-of-gamer-culture.tumblr.com/
A lot of it isn’t as bad as the amazing atheist’s video, but it’s still entirely awful human garbage.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@augochlorella

I’m sorry. 🙁

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

Isn’t the way that YouTube videos work that if you don’t like what someone said in their video you make and post your own video in response? I think these guys need to learn to internet.

Amazing Atheist wins more whiny, entitled response for WHY WON’T YOU LET ME CALL YOU A BITCH IN THE COMMENTS ON YOUR VIDEO EVEN THOUGH I MAKE MY OWN VIDEOS THAT’S NOT FAIR WAH.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
7 years ago

All the comments about Sarkeesian wanting attention from guys who’re basically whining about the fact that by disabling comments she’s refusing to pay attention to them win the irony prize.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Is it sad that I come home and immediately check man boobz? I want to know how you all have been doing!

@augochlorella, I have been there, though not in this specific context. It sucks, and it’s hard. Sorry, and hugs if you want them. Also bear in mind that you may be as important to them as they are to you, and you may be able to use that to make them re-think some of their sexist positions. I’ve actually found that “You can’t be a sexist if you want to be friends with me” is more effective than I thought it would be. Don’t undersell your importance to your friends.

Sylocat
Sylocat
7 years ago

Oddly, most of Reddit seems remarkably okay with it… the supportive comments are massively upvoted, even in /r/gaming. The only ones who are still whinging about this are the denizens of r/MR specifically (and a few in r/SRD).

augochlorella
augochlorella
7 years ago

@ Some Gal Thank you.

@ cloudiah I gladly accept your hugs. I’m going to try to broach the subject with some of these friends face-to-face next time I see them. It’s heartening to hear that you’ve been able to reach some people.

Let’s hope that future women gamers (like maybe this girl) won’t have to explain to their friends why sexism is bad.

katz
7 years ago

Sylocat: You’re right, Reddit in general is being WAY more civil than I would have expected. But I found male disposability in r/games!

Or that the portrayal of men being completely disposable, and that the lives of hundreds if not thousands of men is worth saving a single woman… affects real world ideas?

I would almost agree with her if she didn’t come into this so biased and actually looked at the tropes and discussed their effects. But she diidn’t… all shes doing is taking a very one-dimensional view of these things and say “because patriarchy!”.

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Is it sad that I come home and immediately check man boobz? I want to know how you all have been doing!

::fist bumps from your sad sister::

😉

feministgamer
feministgamer
7 years ago

Having the sexism-in-video-games discussion goes like this, every time: No, there isn’t any sexism in gaming. -> That’s not sexism. -> So what? There are things that aren’t sexist. -> But I like things this way. -> Prove to me that sexism is even a bad thing.

When I have to stop and explain “sexism is bad, mmkay” … There’s a problem.

BritterSweet
BritterSweet
7 years ago

I’m not sure if I really want to do that scavenger hunt. I find enough faith-destroying comments without actively looking for them specifically. I don’t even come to ManBoobz so much for the hateful vitriol, but more for the mockery of it and the uplifting/hilarious comments from the awesome regulars. Plus the kitties and other cute stuff.

Abnoy
Abnoy
7 years ago

Hah, instead of spending all her time criticizing/attacking videogames INTENDED FOR A MALE TARGET AUDIENCE, why she just put her money where her mouth is and create/support videogames INTENDED FOR A FEMALE TARGET AUDIENCE. This another reason is why I stopped sympathizing with American Liberals long ago, while it’s the duty/responsiblity of the Government/Public Sector to take care of you, because you are paying the taxes/fees that are the lifeblood of the State, it’s not the obligation/job of the Big Business/Private Sector to cater to your audience if you’re not profitable enough for their bottomline. They are a business after all, not a charity. Why does it seem that it’s only the (White American) girls who always demand to be let into the boys-only clubhouse instead of making their own girls-only clubhouse, eh?

xiaobaobao
xiaobaobao
7 years ago

They basically have no response when challenged on the fact that gender is based on biology, and not just a social construct. Look at Anita’s entire Youtube archive. Is there even one vid there that’s actually a misogyny issue? Like most “cultural criticism”, it’s little more than a list of whines.

Oh and, sex sells. Deal with it.

khantron
khantron
7 years ago

Also when Anita just randomly raised her voice and yelled out “regressive crap”, that kinda ruined this entire video. It’s like for whatever reason she just lost her freaking marbles for that one split second.

This was a waste of a Kickstarter.

This lovely Kotaku commenter, Torbrex, should be nominated for the “Yeah, you’re totally not an irrational sexist looking for any excuse to smear Sarkeesian. I totally believe you.” Award.

khantron
khantron
7 years ago

Oh look Abnoy is entering himself into the contest, how convenient for us. Don’t worry Abnoy, we will be voting shortly and you will be given more than a fair chance to win.

khantron
khantron
7 years ago

Oh and, sex sells. Deal with it.

By speaking out against it, pressuring marketers not to use it, etc. it we’re dealing with it. Or by “deal with it” do you mean “bow your head and accept the status quo?”

The kyriarchy’s gonna be a thing of the past soon enough. Deal with it.

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
7 years ago

But I don’t want to exclude the girls from my clubhouse! Why would I do that? It’s not like they have cooties. Not to mention, I also want to play games in which women are fully fleshed out characters rather than just a heteronormative prize to be collected.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

Oh and, sex sells. Deal with it.

Has anyone ever bought a mainstream game (as in not a game that is actually porn) because it was sexy? I mean I think Kratos is one sexy dude, but I wouldn’t play God of War if it weren’t a fab game at the same time.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

Abnoy makes a good point. After all, why would a feminist ever want to examine or critique media directed primarily towards a male audience? It just makes no sense. Women should just set up their own parallel society in a separate dimension if they’re so unhappy with Man Things.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

You mean like those fenced segregated camps they were talking about before? Yeah, those sounded superfun.

xiaobaobao
xiaobaobao
7 years ago

LOL, “speaking out”.

Feel like a grassroots hero yet?

Hierarchy and all its implications are here to stay. If not the same hierarchy today, then a different sort tomorrow. Think you can fight the universal male sex drive, and market force that comes with its demands? Go ahead and try. Once you realize the world isn’t made entirely of simpering, pampered white “men”, you will learn to bow down and accept the status quo.

Oh and, don’t use made-up words.

khantron
khantron
7 years ago

Abnoy reminds me of Will Turner from “Pirates of the Carribean” when he tells Jack Sparrow “in a fair fight. I’d kill you.” and Sparrow replies “Then that’s not much incentive for me to fight fair, now is it?”

We’re not gonna’ unilaterally disarm, Abnoy. We’ll make and criticize games at the same time because fuck you, making the world a better place is more important than following rules you’re clearly just making up as you go along.

WeeBoy
WeeBoy
7 years ago

Okay, so guys are only playing video games with their penises? You are a slave to your sex drive and your sex drive is a slave to shallow consumerism? The whole brain thing is just an overrated counterweight for your cock?

Straight guys are weird.

and LOL, made up words. *coughcoughcoughmisandrycoughcough*

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

Khantron said:

“By speaking out against it, pressuring marketers not to use it, etc. it we’re dealing with it. Or by “deal with it” do you mean “bow your head and accept the status quo.”

Also, by speaking out about it the design companies know that women are interested in playing and will spend money on their product in order to do so, which, of course, means more sales for them. The male players who seem to think they are entitled to keep women out are soon likely to find that the companies are (of course) out to make a profit and will sell to anyone with the money. The players don’t have control over who buys the product and so can’t keep women out no matter how much they threaten and whine.

khantron
khantron
7 years ago

Think you can fight the universal male sex drive, and market force that comes with its demands?

Of course. Men are more than capable of self-control, and aren’t so feeble-minded that they’ll buy anything advertised by a sexy figure. At least according to my philosophy, a philosophy that unlike yours doesn’t despise men.

Oh and, don’t use made-up words.

All words are made-up. Dictionaries don’t grow on trees, you know.

augochlorella
augochlorella
7 years ago

universal male sex drive

You’re all sharing the same one?

Shaenon
7 years ago

I make awesome comics that bring joy to the world. Am I allowed to complain about sexist stuff, or only sexism in comics?

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

Also, these male players may only be a vocal minority I’m quite sure there are plenty of other players who would be quite happy to move over and make room, the same way they did with roleplaying games in the early 1980s.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

Yeah, any sensible person would see that the more people enjoying a medium, the more people paying for it, the more of it you get. Who could complain about more games getting made? I know I go through times where there isn’t a single new game I’m interested in and wish there were more.

Shaenon
7 years ago

Men have sex drives, therefore Princess Peach can’t be a playable character. The logic chain seems to be missing some links here.

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

Kim:

Exactly and the next thing you know they’re catering to women too. I really hope they’re keeping up with Anita’s vids because it looks like she’s going to lay it all out for them. We play and have fun with each other and the grown up guys, the companies make a nice profit and the entitled manchildren just keep right on whining but nobody pays them any mind.

After all it’s foolish to give way to childish tantrums.

melody
7 years ago

I have like video games just as much as my brother. And I’ve spent far more buying the systems and the games. I bought the Gameboy Advance as soon as it came out: bought the puzzle games and the pokemon games for it. I bought a gamecube and a ton of games when that system came out too. I bought the PS2 as soon as I saved enough to buy it. And bought accessories and games for it too. The problem is there aren’t enough games that I want to play. I bought an xbox and I’m considering buying PS4 or and xbox 720 and which one I buy will depend heavily on the games I see for the systems.
I play pc games too.

I know plenty of female gamers and male ones too. Sex appeal isn’t everything. I want characters I can relate too. It is hard when I always have to play a male character.

Seranvali
Seranvali
7 years ago

Xiaobaobao said:

“Hierarchy and all its implications are here to stay. If not the same hierarchy today, then a different sort tomorrow. Think you can fight the universal male sex drive, and market force that comes with its demands? Go ahead and try. Once you realize the world isn’t made entirely of simpering, pampered white “men”, you will learn to bow down and accept the status quo.”

You really think that the “universal male sex drive” can overcome 1. The profit motive of the design companies 2. women with money to spend on their product and 3. Rational men who actually kinda like having woman players around?

Market forces flow to where the money is and if that’s with women then that’s where it will go.
You can burble all you like about about male sexuality and how unstoppable it is but it doesn’t get to chose who plays computer games. Only people’s wallets can do that.

melody
7 years ago

Think about the car market. Originally it was aimed all at men, but then most families had one car and companies realized that there was still money to be had by targeting women.

Sometimes companies don’t realize where there is money to made initially.

xiaobaobao
xiaobaobao
7 years ago

Nope, we play games for fun. The sex appeal just makes it all the much better.

Why so strawman, WeeBoy? Are you having trouble being rational? It’s okay. Even though I never said misandry, I’ll entertain you.

Here, look up misandry then “kyriarchy”.

http://www.merriam-webster.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/

Checkmate.

“making the world a better place”. Hey look, the femmi has a superhero complex.

Sorry, most men aren’t stupid enough to forego buying a game just because there’s are scantily glad women in it. Not even white men. In fact, neither are most women. Of course, you could be forgiven for imagining that when you live in a bubble of western liberalism. If anything, ridiculous Duke Nukem styles of sexualization are only opposed because its male consumers find the approach outdated and hamfisted. So please give the credit where it’s due – to the men.

But by all means ladies, consume more games. You wanna talk money? The rise of the pragmatic, politically incorrect East and its legions of consumers will crush your precious white liberal sympathizers. How long do you think you can maintain your moral luxuries while your economy declines against the world’s? See David’s fat face? That’s what the past will look like.

Oh and just to clear up any confusion: We do understand your trivial concerns. We just don’t care about them. See also: South America, India, Southeast Asia. Not a single fuck is given in any of those places.

No, the internet makes it easier to objectify and sexualize women every day. And probably men too. Now we happen to think that opposing western feminism is more important than whining about sexual imagery, but if it upsets you so much then go ahead, howl and whine to your white enablers. See if the rest of the world cares.

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
7 years ago

“Hierarchy is always going to be around, no matter what form it’s in, so quit challenging this one and just accept it!”

Hahaha!

Xiabaoboobie, you seem to be forgetting that you’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes!

In other clueless asshat news, there was a panel about Reddit at SXSW that seems to have garnered some controversy:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/reddits-victim-complex

Panelists include Rebecca Watson of Skepchick and Adrian Chen of “outed that guy who set up the jailbait section on reddit” fame. It’s a real full house of an article, as even Anthony Zarat makes an appearance.

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If you’re so unconcerned about this, why are you trolling a feminist blog, hmm? Insecure much?