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Man Boobz Contest: Find the Whiniest, Most Entitled Response to Anita Sarkeesian

From "Damsel in Distress: Part 1 - Tropes vs Women in Video Games."
From “Damsel in Distress: Part 1 – Tropes vs Women in Video Games.”

So Anita Sarkeesian, who apparently didn’t run off with all her Kickstarter money to found a Misandist Gynarchy in the wilds of Canada, has  released the first video in her Tropes vs Women in Video Games project. (I’ve embedded it below.)

Naturally, this is causing great consternation in certain corners of the Internet (*cough* Reddit *cough cough* everywhere else that misogynistic nerds congregate *cough*). In the Man Boobz forum, Katz has started a contest to see who can find “the whiniest, brattiest, most entitled response” to Sarkeesian’s video on the Internet. So far Katz and Myoo have found a couple classic comments from irate Sarkeeianaphobes:

[H]ow does one go about stating that genders and gender roles are social constructs? I mean is evolution nothing to her? Does the patriarchy make male peacocks dress provocatively?

Yes. Yes it does.

And:

I’m gradually losing respect for the opposite sex. I’ve unfollowed people on tumblr who talk about how great she is, because it actually causes bile to rise in to my throat.

Yeah, that’s a totally reasonable response to a woman making a video about video games.

So anyway, I’m thinking we should bring the contest over here.

See what you can find! Consider it a sort of scavenger hunt.

Here’s my contribution, from the Men’s Rights subreddit, complaining that Damsels in Distress are the truly privileged ones:

mrsarkees

Amazingly, this acutally got called out on r/mr as being pretty damn stupid.

Also, I have another question, to add to the stack of other questions I’ve been asking lately: Just why do you think so many guys get so angry when girls and women invade what they consider a male sphere, like gaming? (Also, why do they consider gaming to belong to boys and men?)

Oh, and here’s the video that’s causing all this hubbub:

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Michael Søndberg Olsen

“I’m gradually losing respect for the opposite sex. I’ve unfollowed people on tumblr who talk about how great she is, because it actually causes bile to rise in to my throat.”

Choking on self-imposed forever-alone virginity… Huh. More power to ya.

cloudiah
7 years ago

“While it was awful to watch Sarkeesian be threatened and slandered for the sin of wanting to do her job well and comprehensively”.

Let’s be honest here:

When she made that Kickstarter, Sarkeesian disabled comments on her videos (those that weren’t like that already) then deliberately left them completely open and unmoderated on her Kickstarter begging video (something she never did before). The moment she got negative comments she went to her blog with ‘LOOK AT WHAT THEY’RE SAYING TO ME! DON’T LET THEM SILENCE ME! PLEASE DONATE, THANKS!’ And when the Kickstarter ended so did the comments on that video. She had her money, why let people keep commenting?

She knew she could gin up more donations by allowing people to say mean things to her. But then people like Alyssa here hail her as some kind of hero for not backing down? She invited the taunts and made $160k for it. She made more in a few days than most people make in a year. What a trooper…

And what was she begging for again? She already gets paid to make internet videos so she begged for $5000 to make more of them? Am I missing something? The $5000 wasn’t for expenses or anything, she just wanted $5000.

Oh and here after months and months and months 1 whole video rolls out and immediately its ratings and comments are disabled. Why am I not surprised?

And what is she doing that’s so revolutionary here? Talking about tropes? Really? Isn’t there an entire website devoted to this already.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DamselInDistress/VideoGames

It’s almost as if Sarkeesian didn’t really have to do any work at all to make this video.

1) Go over some easily researched background on some popular games that most gamers already know.
2) Talk about damsels in distress in no more depth than a Wikipedia article.
3) Get praise for your “hard” work.

Source.

cloudiah
7 years ago

From the same source:

mK – so am I missing the OTHER side of this story – “The Illusion of Prince Charming” where women set men to such high standards that we’re all considered slugs because we can’t measure up? More Hypocrisy

cloudiah
7 years ago

Oops, posted too soon. Same guy as just above, a little further down:

TY VM for making my point. You’re victims and as such will never rise above that to become HUMANS! You’re trying to deny millions of years of evolution supported today by MARKETING! Sex sells – plain and simple. Why rewrite video games for women when more MEN play them? Behind every powerful MAN there is a woman manipulating him with SEX! I’m not saying women aren’t equal – I’m saying VICTIMS are!!! A quote I remember well from my Grandma to a very attractive waitress we worked with “Honey – enjoy your time as a grape because the day will soon come where you’re a raisin that few will want.” She turned to me and then said – “Don’t think you’re immune either!”
GL with all the hate and misdirected anger though!!!

What about the menz + a dash of evo psych + hypergamy + “You’re just a raisin, no one will ever love you.”

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

OT but the blue cat-lady fox (that’s his name, right?) is holding is kind of cute.

Does the patriarchy make male peacocks dress provocatively?

…peacocks…peacocks don’t dress.

Lol @ ‘brings bile to my mouth’ dude. Mocking Imitation*: Those evil womenz talking about things that affect them, how it makes me sick to my stomach. siiiccck!!!!!

*I’m weird today don’t ask.

real power is power you don’t have to yeild

yeah, because everyone knows what it does and is scared shitless, not because you don’t have any power.

@cloudiah

that is… a very whiny dude you found.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

and the more I read of cloudiah’s guy the more whiny he seems. It’s like he’s going to become a black whole of whininess when it all collapses underneath him.

/really really bad analogy.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Oh, I dunno, I thought the black hole of whininess was a pretty good image! 😀

Some Gal Not Bored at All

I am disappointed that dalsgaard didn’t bother noting that it is really hard for us non-archetypal women to find bon bons because the Damsels in Distress have hoarded them all in their Womanhood Palaces.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@ kittehs

haha, thanks 🙂 It was just so true for him though XD

@some gal

now I want a bon bon 🙁 (technically I’ve never had one, but they have chocolate in them, right? As a lady*, I really, really love chocolate)

*tongue in cheek, I know not all women do.

oraclenine (@Oraclenine)

IIRC, there was a “ewww, girl cooties” response from tabletop RPG players in the late ’70s. The difference was most of them were limited to bitching about it in game stores or their buddy’s basement rather than taking to the Internet.

As a GM and test player in those long ago times I met my share of these guys. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if I GMed for their fathers. I became infamous at local game stores as one of those women’s libbers after I politely tossed someone out of a game for *refusing to speak to me directly* while playing in a game I was running.

Okay, once I had warned him he was on thin ice and was ignored I did hit his character with a very localized electrical storm. “*ZOT* Annnnd we’re done here. Bye bye.” I waved over one of the players on the wait list and we went on.

Parts of today’s gaming culture are pretty damn toxic and a whole lot worse than in the ’70s and ’80s.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Because nobody wants to see women looking gorgeous and feminine. We’d rather see peach in overalls. That’s attractive. I’m not saying women can’t be tomboys or whatever they want to be, but they can’t force people to like them once they’ve all been turned into that.

Source.

2-D Man
2-D Man
7 years ago

I was just disappointed that Sarkeesian forgot about Mario RPG, the other Mario game where Princess Toadstool gets an active role (after being a damsel in distress, of course, I mean, everyone else just jumped off of Booster’s Tower but she didn’t do that? And then Booster didn’t even seem to understand the concept of a wedding, let alone marriage, she could have told him that the cake was the end of it and then walked free after eating some delicious cake (“So good it makes me want to cry.”)). She joins your party and makes for 1/3 of the best combat team.

cloudiah
7 years ago

I really want to win!

I went ahead and clicked on the video link:
“Ratings are disabled for this video”
“Comments are disabled for this video”

Anita doesn’t want dialogue (read:criticism) of her wafer-thin double standards or pathetic patriarchy statements. This is a vehicle for her to declare her own opinion and fuck anyone who doesn’t agree or wants to make discussion. I wish I could get paid a hundred a fifty grand to stand on a soapbox and shout while wearing earplugs, and this is exactly what’s happened for her.

Pathetic.

Next:

I have also seen other youtubers who literally did her video for her (in LESS than a god damn year), who did it well, and who did it without $6,000. Also being much more informative than her video as well. I feel like (notice I said feel like, this is what I think not what I know) she just saw kickstarter and though to herself “This will be a cool way for me to get free money for doing what I already do for free!” And she did.

Seeing her asking for money for this is what initially made people mad. Not the subject matter. I’d be willing to bet 150 grand myself that if she hadn’t asked for money, this wouldn’t have blown up like it did, and she wouldn’t have gotten this e-fame that she has, and she wouldn’t have any of this feminazi (Feminazi and feminists, two very different things) influence on game developers.

I also find it highly ironic that she used the backlash for more monetary gain, as well as industrial pull. She became one of the very tropes she is trying to stop simply because it was getting her recognition.

[when someone objects to his use of “feminazi” he continues on]
You should probably read my posts THOROUGHLY before you reply. The very first point of your comment should explain why, especially considering I specified that there is a difference between feminists and feminazi’s but I suppose if you didn’t read, you wouldn’t have noticed that. Also I didn’t call WOMEN that, just ANITA.

[and then he posts the following image]
http://i.imgur.com/bGLU4aQ.jpg

[and then he keeps digging]
You should really, and I mean REALLY learn the definition of Nazism by the way. Since you seem to think it means people who want to cause genocide or total slaughter.
Let me get you that definition.
“a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism”
In this case sexism. Its slang, sorry slang bothers you.
How about Feminists Extremists? Is that a little better? But I’m only going to use it just to make you happy ok kid? Once we are done with our chat, I’m going back to the more fitting term, “Feminazi”

I feel a bit mean, because that last dude looks about 13.

Source.

Now it’s time to go out to dinner! Catch you all later.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“Why rewrite video games for women when more MEN play them?”

Yeah, that only really applies to the big-name games. Your, “Medal of Glory Gears of Gods of Grand Theft of Wasted Final Fantasy?” But the thing is, other games exist, and women are the market.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Anyone actually using the word “feminazi”…. I just wanna pad ’em on the head and say: “that’ll, do sexist pig, that’ll do”.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

Anita doesn’t want dialogue (read:criticism) of her wafer-thin double standards or pathetic patriarchy statements. This is a vehicle for her to declare her own opinion and fuck anyone who doesn’t agree or wants to make discussion. I wish I could get paid a hundred a fifty grand to stand on a soapbox and shout while wearing earplugs, and this is exactly what’s happened for her.

ok, cloudiah, borrowing your whiny person for the moment, but…

dear whiny person, are youtube comments the best place to hold a discussion? I mean, youtube comments always make me want to bang my head in a wall.

(Feminazi and feminists, two very different things)

…strange….

okay, was second whiny dude in that recent one saying feminists are like nazis because they hate men or something? It was unclear.

sorry for spamming all the comments on the people you find, cloudiah, I’m just in a really …weird mood today.

/sorry for spamming

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

At least the people who contributed to this Kickstarter didn’t get bilked like the MRA fools who did. I love it when they’re shown to be the suckers they are–if you sit in a stew of misogyny and whiny entitlement, you’ll clearly believe any fool thing.

Just why do you think so many guys get so angry when girls and women invade what they consider a male sphere, like gaming?

Unexamined privilege. Everything’s set up for them by default, they get ascared when that’s proven to be not so true after all.

Have fun at dinner cloudiah!

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@cloudiah

I wish I could get paid a hundred a fifty grand to stand on a soapbox and shout while wearing earplugs, and this is exactly what’s happened for her.

Pathetic.

This strikes me as saying:
-I wish I could win a million dollars like that guy who won the lottery. He’s pathetic.
-I wish I’d ordered what you ordered for dinner, honey. You’re pathetic.
-I wish I could nap anywhere like my cat. She’s pathetic.
-I wish I could be anyone who isn’t whining about someone pointing out legitimate flaws in a medium I like more than I like other people like most of the rest of the world is. They’re pathetic.

katz
7 years ago

Thanks for making a thread for this, since a lot of our current commenters don’t have forum accounts. And I’m expecting some good stuff from you guys, because I know full well that my contribution was weak sauce.

The great thing about contests like this is it turns your reaction to obnoxious comments from “argh, another asshole” to “ooh, another entry!”

mxe354
7 years ago

The last person makes no sense at all. First of all, the “pedestal effect” isn’t nearly as pervasive and significant as people think, and second, the same reasoning could be applied to slaves. In other words, ze could just as easily say that slaves are privileged because they have “caretakers.” And then there’s the fact that it’s merely a form of so-called “benevolent” sexism.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

Has the ‘amazing’ atheist already been mentioned:

What are you afraid of, Anita? Why can’t people have a discourse about your material? Why can’t people make their opinions towards your content known? I understand that some comments will be abusive in nature—probably most will—but so what?

You are putting forth a particular ideological stance. Your unwillingness to allow that stance to be challenged undermines the legitimacy of your claims because it sends the signal to everyone who lands on your page that your ideas cannot hold up under scrutiny.

If not I volunteer him as an entry.

Not as whiny as some of the others but …I was desperate to sumbit something, but didn’t actually want to come across more assholes, so I just put up the ones I’ve already found….

/lazy.

link: http://feministdisney.tumblr.com/post/44870900296/theyearsiwasashipwreck-casketscratcher

Myoo
Myoo
7 years ago

I at least understand the people going “This is a MAN’s space and we like it the way it is!” The way things are pander to their interests and they don’t want that to go away, it’s selfish but I get it.

What baffles me is the people who deny the sexism even exists. I mean, how far gone do you have to be to seriously argue that princess Peach isn’t a typical example of a damsel in distress?

Biot
Biot
7 years ago

@ Marie: that would be Krystal that Fox is holding, and she’s also a fox. (She would be a vixen, if I were to be more technical.)

Similarly OT: when I saw that picture leading off the article I had an internal “glee!” moment. I know that the game where Krystal makes her first appearance (Star Fox Adventures) is slightly deficient in the female agency department, though. The game was not originally a Star Fox title but was developed by Rare with the intent of being a game on its own. Krystal would have been one of the two playable characters and would have been a cat instead of a fox, but some developmental difficulties were encountered, similarities between that title and Star Fox were noted, and Rare and Nintendo re-tuned the game to be a part of the Star Fox franchise.

Krystal does make appearances in the next two Star Fox games as a romantic interest of and romantically interested in Fox, but she the only female character to appear in Star Fox Assault (the immediate sequel), though she also has a part in Star Fox Command (Assault’s sequel). Star Fox Command is different in that there are multiple endings where Krystal either joins Fox’s rivals/nemeses, reunites with him, or turns bitter and goes solo as a bounty hunter who is totally unrecognizable to Fox.

I apologize for the major derail and the ensuing wall of text, but I am an avid fan of the Star Fox series (Nintendo, why u no make another Star Fox game?!), and Star Fox Adventures holds a very special place in my heart because it helped kick off my interest in creative writing (but not as fan fiction; I dabbled in fanfic later, but I still entertain fantasies of Star Fox sequels adapted from the ideas bouncing around in my head).

blitzgal
7 years ago

What are you afraid of, Anita? Why can’t people have a discourse about your material? Why can’t people make their opinions towards your content known? I understand that some comments will be abusive in nature—probably most will—but so what?

He does understand that the fact we’re reading these words so readily means that PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCOURSE ABOUT THIS MATERIAL.

And also, so what? Fuck you.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“You are putting forth a particular ideological stance. Your unwillingness to allow that stance to be challenged undermines the legitimacy of your claims because it sends the signal to everyone who lands on your page that your ideas cannot hold up under scrutiny. ”

With this utterance he has just challenged her… so he’s just eaten his own words. And the only signal she’s sending is that she’s probably sick of “get raped” getting posted.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Some Gal, I totally misread that as “Womanhood Places” and thought “Ewww, I don’t want to store bonbons there.”

Myoo
Myoo
7 years ago

It is indeed correct to say that these damsel in distress don’t exist in a vacuum like she mentions in her vid. We, however, didn’t create it at random and forcefed the population.(she didn’t say this explicitly, but that is her case in a nutshell). No, it’s an extension of our evolutionary past. The reason why these images are so prevalent is because we recognise ourselves in it. It makes sense to save a women, but not the other way around. (otherwise, the man will come off as a pussy and the girl a bit manly which isn’t attractive at all).[…]

From one guy on the comments thread at Pharyngula. He goes on for a while, this is just from his first comment.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Blitzgal, yeah… He’s not too bright on concepts such as shape, color, time or logic. Expecting him to know what freedom of speech is… eh.

katz
7 years ago

I think my favorite are the ones that are whining about how much money she made and how the video totally isn’t worth it. Other people paid more than I would have for a product I didn’t want! Waaaah!

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

Some Gal, I totally misread that as “Womanhood Places” and thought “Ewww, I don’t want to store bonbons there.”

sooo glad I finished my drinking when I read that. *immature giggles*

aworldanonymous
7 years ago

[blockquote]Choking on self-imposed forever-alone virginity… Huh. More power to ya.[/blockquote]

Could we please not virgin shame, I understand the temptation to pull ad hominem attacks on MRAs, gods, I’ve wanted to do it myself from time to time, but if we succumb, we only end up bringing ourselves down to their level.

In other news, here’s TJ The Amazing MRAtheist being his entitled, misogynist-in-denial, self: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfkS9YS_T0k

aworldanonymous
7 years ago

I also fail at blockquotes lately.

Linds
7 years ago

I understand that some comments will be abusive in nature—probably most will—but so what?

As someone on Tumblr said, this is “men.txt”. Or at least “cismen.txt”. The obliviousness of how grinding and awful constant death and rape threats can be is something that can only be seen in men who have never had to deal with people constantly discussing seriously hurting you in a sexualized manner.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Virgin shame? It’s no shame to be a virgin, except if you’re an absolute asshole who repel any advance. Which was the point. Not that I don’t get yours.

aworldanonymous
7 years ago

Fair enough, I guess I’ve been spending a bit too much time around youtube and facebook flame wars, It’s kind of become a force of habit.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@The Kittehs’

That reminds me if a bit in Coupling where Patrick mishears “Why don’t men like snuggling?” As “Why don’t men like smuggling?” and includes in his answer that men have fewer “concealment crevices.”

/Moffat fan

Other than that, all I can think about is yeast infections which are not very funny.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“Fair enough, I guess I’ve been spending a bit too much time around youtube and facebook flame wars, It’s kind of become a force of habit.”
You delve into Youtube comments? WHY? Protect your sanity!

kamilla1960
kamilla1960
7 years ago

Deoridhe
7 years ago

I love that the people who say, “She trolled for offensive comments so she could have the moneeeeeez” are most likely the ones complaining now about her disabling comments.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

“Other than that, all I can think about is yeast infections which are not very funny.”

Never worked in a bakery, eh?

aworldanonymous
7 years ago

“Fair enough, I guess I’ve been spending a bit too much time around youtube and facebook flame wars, It’s kind of become a force of habit.”
You delve into Youtube comments? WHY? Protect your sanity!

Sometimes I get bored and like to drink tears of impotent MRA rage.

Kim
Kim
7 years ago

@Michael

Even if you mean well, your comment was still hurtful. It is virgin-shaming and that’s not on.

joanimal
joanimal
7 years ago

So Anita Sarkeesian, who apparently didn’t run off with all her Kickstarter money to found a Misandist Gynarchy in the wilds of Canada

I cannot put into words the disappointment I feel. I was going to sell all my worldly goods and move there,

Michael Søndberg Olsen

Kim, I wasn’t shaming him for being a virgin. There’d be no point, and yes it would be wrong.I was mocking him for his idea that women somehow prolong his virginity by refusing to sleep with him.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I don’t know where Michael has come from with his dubious jokes, but I wish he’d go back there.

hellkell
hellkell
7 years ago

I was mocking him for his idea that women somehow prolong his virginity by refusing to sleep with him.

Who’s idea? That seems to be something you’ve inferred. Either way, not on.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

This one certainly isn’t the whiniest, but I did find it amusing that they have never heard a feminist complaint about any of the misogyny in pop or general or high culture. Nope, their first exposure was Sarkeesian and videogames.

As for the video, aside from the research being done at the level of a grade student I just have a big question named “So what?”. What exactly is it supposed to prove, and what is so wrong or damaging about these “tropes”. As rightfully noted they are a plot devices from times before Anno Domini and they are legitimately used in movies, TV series, books and just about every other medium out there over centuries. What exactly is wrong with games doing that too and since when are game designers and developers supposed to abide by the feminist inquisition in every decision they make regarding a game?

All of society is misogynistic and caters to me. Why can’t games do it too? 🙁

defskyoen at Forbes.
Other than that, defskyoen basically says all the same things about Sarkeesian *gasp* seeking attention for her project, implies that she asked for the threats (shocker) and that she then made money because of them *gasp*.

I just find the lack of awareness of anything that has been happening in feminism (or, for that matter, academia and elementary/secondary education) for at least fifty years oddly charming. Like Brendan Fraser in Blast from the Past, but with hatred.

Michael Søndberg Olsen

hellkell, I agree. Sorry. That was inferred.

Marie
Marie
7 years ago

@some gal

not the whiniest, but definitely facepalm worthy.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I didn’t read Michael’s joke as virgin-shaming – and I am virgin, too, by any physical standards. I read it as creepy MRA shaming: the why of guys like this being alone, not the fact of it. Which might be splitting hairs, I dunno.

Some Gal: “That reminds me if a bit in Coupling where Patrick mishears “Why don’t men like snuggling?” As “Why don’t men like smuggling?” and includes in his answer that men have fewer “concealment crevices.”

LOL! And now I’m thinking of smuggling as in Devon and Cornwall and West Country accents. Arrr!

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