Iām still officially on my Man Boobz staycation, but I felt I needed to mention yet another example of a woman saying that men can stop rape ā¦ and getting rape threats in return.
Political analyst Zerlina Maxwell went on Sean Hannityās show on Fox News earlier this week and made the terrible mistake of suggesting to a hostile audience that men arenāt really doing any favors to women by telling them to arm themselves against rapists. Instead, as Salon notes, she said this:
āI donāt think that we should be telling women anything. I think we should be telling men not to rape women and start the conversation there.ā She told Hannity, āYouāre talking about this as if itās some faceless, nameless criminal, when a lot of times itās someone you know and trust,ā adding, āIf you train men not to grow up to become rapists, you prevent rape.ā
Indeed, increased rape awareness has contributed to a dramatic decrease in rape over the last thirty years.
But apparently a lot of men were shocked ā shocked! ā that a woman would suggest that their patronizing advice was less likely to prevent rape than rape prevention education aimed at the demographic group that is responsible for the overwhelmng majority of rapes. That is, men.
So, naturally, the angriest of these men decided they would show Maxwell just how wrong she was ā¦ by threatening her with rape on Twitter.
Here’s just one example:
Rape culture in action.
Maxwellās supporters have stepped up to defend her and her remarks, and have started a hashtag — #TYZerlina — Ā to continue the discussion. If youāre on Twitter, join in .
Hereās the Fox News segment in question featuring Maxwell:
katz — dear gods yes! I’ll eat it fresh, or palak paneer (goddamned do I miss having home cooked Indian down the road, loved that little mart)
@katz
I dunno, I’ve had frozen creamed spinach I like. Maybe I’m just weird. Though me and my mom did home make creamed spinach, which was really good, but took 3 burners and a lot of effort. I also always get it frozen for spanakopita, because its only one ingredient and hopefully not too noticeable. (it also turned out my mom bought feta made from cows milk instead of sheep or goats for that. *faints* though cows milk is cheaper…)
/food rambles.
The greatest thing about growing up in S CA is the fresh veggies. My mother came here from South Dakota, my father from Idaho, and they never stopped appreciating that — which is why I grew up loving vegetables.
No worries, Argenti! š And I’m right there on the mayo. Way to destroy the flavour of an egg sandwich.
katz – I don’t think I’d ever eaten cooked spinach. Its reputation preceded it, lol. But yeah, fresh, it’s my favourite green, I shove it in all my sandwiches.
Marie, you make spanakopita too? I swear that is my favorite food and I would eat it every day if I could.
It turns out I am much sicker than I had thought, so now I’m at a loss as to what to do tomorrow. For the meantime though, I won’t be sleeping, so I’d love to talk about tea!
Mighty Leaf really has figured out how to get a loose leaf experience from a bag. It’s great! No muss, no fuss, right quantity of tea, you can do a pot or a mug or a cup no problem. I’ve never actually seen it sold in stores, though, just coffee shops. Good Earth carries it.
Holy bananas do I love spanakopita.
Marie, if you like your spinach that way, more power to you! I would never want to discourage someone from liking a food (or, really, anything) that they liked. But lots of people dislike spinach because they’ve only had it certain ways, and they are missing out!
Palak paneer is the food of the gods. Swimming rama is another fantastic use of spinach.
spanakopita is amazing.
I haven’t made it in years though.
Very sad.
Viscaria are you sick too?
Viscaria, so sorry you’re sick. Are you able to stay home?
Glad to see so many people here love spanakopita š I actually have made it to eat every day for lunch, because I’m horrible at thinking of what to get, but the batch I made was so big some of it went bad before I could eat it all š um, anyhows, one of my favorite foods.
Random question, but do you guys prefer your spanakopita just made in the big pan, where it’s all one block and you cut it into rectangles, or where you individually wrap them into triangles? I like triangles better, for some reason I’m convinced they taste better, even though it’s probably just a weird me thing.
@viscaria
sorry to hear that you are sick š I hope you feel better soon.
Meep, feel better Viscaria!
Also, idk if it was this thread, but Dawkins’s idiocy also includes this doozy — http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundation_articles/2012/12/22/physical-versus-mental-child-abuse
Trigger warnings for um, emotional, sexual, physical abuse of children, callousness and general lack of humanity.
I like spanakopita in triangles.
What is swimming rama, katz, and can you fax me some?
Gad, when I was a union rep I fought so hard against these attendance policies that forced people to come to work sick to avoid getting written up for absenteeism. IN HOSPITALS. YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU MIGHT WANT TO AVOID EXPOSING PEOPLE TO GERMS. Sorry for the all caps. It makes me a little bit mad.
(Now I am an evil manager but in a unit that encourages people to stay home when they’re sick, in part because of my fighting.)
@Melody, yes, and I hope you feel better soon!
@Kittehs, I’m at something of a loss, really. I thought, really bad cold, work is going to suck, but I’ve missed too much work and anyway our other administrator is out of town and we really absolutely cannot both be out of the office at the same time, so I’d just work at half-capacity and push through. But if I’m stop reading now if you’re squeamish going to be puking my guts out all night, I’m not entirely sure if that’s an option? Not really sure what my next step is.
Anyway thanks for the well-wishes all but we don’t have to talk about me anymore, it is both self-centred and icky. I’d rather talk about spanakopita on account of yum.
@Argenti Aertheri
ew. what is up with that guy? I’ve only read the first paragraph, but my experience being raised by christian parents wasn’t that they threatened you w/ hell all the time, they said hell was only a place where you’d go if you were really, really bad, like if you killed a lot of people. Though I guess I should be glad they were the kind of christians who believed that most of everybody would go to heaven, not just straight people, or people who believed in (christian) god, but…gaaaahh that article.
My favorite story (=the worst story possible) was the woman who had a heart attack and went back to work the next day to avoid losing her perfect attendance record. Which if she lost it would mean a reduction in her pay. Goddamn, made me so mad.
Yeah I should say too that I’m very privileged to be a salaried worker who can take as many sick days as I like, which puts me in a much more fortunate situation than some (like you Melody :(, if I was reading right before.) It’s just a matter of deciding whether I can do so without screwing over a bunch of other people.
I remember that little gem of step-on-Legos-foreverishness from Dawkins. He really is a colossal turd. Perhaps he should listen to the evidence being given at the Royal Commission being held here now into institutional responses to child abuse. Somehow I don’t think “believing in hell” is what destroyed people’s lives or drove them to suicide.
from the article:
gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh grimace.
god, I’m going to end up ranting here amn’t I.
You guys tell me if you want me to stop talking about it.
That perfect attendance thing is appalling.
Cloudiah, swimming rama is nothing but peanut sauce (and your choice of meat or tofu) served over fresh spinach and topped with ground peanuts. It’s like the Platonic ideal of Thai-American food.
Viscaria, if you can’t work, you can’t work. Period.
ugh š That sucks. My dad’s fiance has a job that’s also not covered like that, she’s a contract mailwoman, but she and the other mail people seem to cover for each other when they’re sick or need something, though that’s probably a lot harder in other jobs, since in hers they just take another route for a day or so and return the favor later.
I hope the woman recovered okay from her heart attack.
Every time I read about the work situation in the US I want to scream – it is so fucking 19th century. Ours has gone downhill over the last couple of decades, undermining hard-won gains, but it is still nowhere near that bad. I’m a wage-earner, permanent part-time in a small business, which means I don’t have the protection against things like unfair dismissal that someone in a large company does, but hell, I get the normal paid sick leave -five days without a certificate, after they’re used or if I’m off on a Friday or Monday I need a cert – and paid annual leave (pro rata, so it’s about three weeks). Yeah, I’ll come in when I’m not well, but that’s when one of my two coworkers is away, because you cannot expect someone to run a shop + mail orders + shipping orders (as in, orders for ships that are leaving port) on their own for eight hours. The way people are treated in the US is beyond disgusting. Land of the free? Egalitarianism? More like punishing anyone who hasn’t been an ENTREPRAHNEUAH and made a few million in a week.
Marie – Dawkins is a prize fuckwad. He’s one of the sort that paints everyone who has religious belief as if they were all identical with the Westboro Baptists or the Taliban, and has no concept of nuance or different teachings or different people having different conclusions about their faith. He’s also extremely sexist and snobbish – classic Oxbridge ivory-tower privileged man.
And married to Lalla Ward (Romana II from Dr Who). He must have qualities that don’t show in public, that’s all I can say.
I loved it when Andrew Denton wound him up in an interview once, asking what his star sign was. Did Dawkins ever look WTF pissed … š
Katz you have graciously put up with a lot of self-absorbed whining from me in the past as well as now, and your advice in response is always practical and reasonable, and I will take it very much to heart.
What gets me about Dawkins is I used to really like him! I look back on that and cringe.