I’m still officially on my Man Boobz staycation, but I felt I needed to mention yet another example of a woman saying that men can stop rape … and getting rape threats in return.
Political analyst Zerlina Maxwell went on Sean Hannity’s show on Fox News earlier this week and made the terrible mistake of suggesting to a hostile audience that men aren’t really doing any favors to women by telling them to arm themselves against rapists. Instead, as Salon notes, she said this:
“I don’t think that we should be telling women anything. I think we should be telling men not to rape women and start the conversation there.” She told Hannity, “You’re talking about this as if it’s some faceless, nameless criminal, when a lot of times it’s someone you know and trust,” adding, “If you train men not to grow up to become rapists, you prevent rape.”
Indeed, increased rape awareness has contributed to a dramatic decrease in rape over the last thirty years.
But apparently a lot of men were shocked – shocked! – that a woman would suggest that their patronizing advice was less likely to prevent rape than rape prevention education aimed at the demographic group that is responsible for the overwhelmng majority of rapes. That is, men.
So, naturally, the angriest of these men decided they would show Maxwell just how wrong she was … by threatening her with rape on Twitter.
Here’s just one example:
Rape culture in action.
Maxwell’s supporters have stepped up to defend her and her remarks, and have started a hashtag — #TYZerlina — to continue the discussion. If you’re on Twitter, join in .
Here’s the Fox News segment in question featuring Maxwell:
That’s not eyebrows, that’s another set of ears o.o
OT-ish but this really reminds me of someone I saw who said the word ‘mansplaining’ was being used to shut down criticism. Was that a troll here?
@kittehs
That’s much cuter than I assumed it’d be. The eyebrows just make it look a little worried. Why are you worried, little kittty? /small animal deprived.
Now you’re really into troll territory, Poxy. “Silencing”? Bullshit. You’ve already had it pointed out that JAQing off means you aren’t engaging with the answers you’re given, and you’re acting more and more trollish in these last few posts: being condescending, telling regulars how to behave,and refusing to consider your own behaviour. That’s on top of coming in admitting you don’t know what you’re talking about (and as I said, and others have also, ignoring the answers you were given. This isn’t a Feminism 101 site, something else you have failed to take away from the article you linked to. All you seem to have taken in there is the poster’s self-justifying whine, not the replies he was given.
If you’re posting in good faith, you’re doing a really bad job of it. Go away and consider your own actions before you lecture regulars here about ours.
Poxy, please shut up. We are not silencing criticism. We’re silencing a sanctimonious jackoff. No one gives a shit what you have to say anymore. If you want to be heard out, you’ll have to learn not to act like a wanker.
When I first saw that kitty I thought it looked like he had caterpillars on his head! He does look a bit worrit, though. 😀
Agh, whenever I think of “ivory tower” and “science” in the same sentence I think of that douchecanoe Richard Dawkins. Cannot abide that man, and that was before his contribution to elevatorgate. But yeah, no question real science gets totally garbled when it’s popularised, even without malice aforethought.
@Poxy: You aren’t being silenced. There is nothing preventing you from giving a measured, rational and good faith response to to my criticism of what you wrote here.
This cat with eyebrows has the perfect expression for trolls
@katz:
No? But it happened at Skepchick:
You’d have to have an actual point for us to disagree with…preferably one we haven’t heard and rebuked repeatedly.
Cassandra — instant coffee is heresy. To like it is to blaspheme the coffee gods (my mother gets real cranky when I say that every time she makes herself instant decaf, wtf’s the point of instant decaf?!)
See that right there? “Wtf’s the point of instant decaf?!” That’s a question, granted the bar for convincing me that there is, in fact, a point is awfully high, I am actually willing to listen.
Also, the goalpost shifting is a thing of beauty. For extra lulz, lawyers don’t try to blame black magic anymore so they don’t exist completely outside society? If the Criminal Minds I just finished was real, you can damned well bet that an insanity plea based on a belief in black magic would occur (Corazon, for the curious)
Maybe you live in a dorm or small apartment with no room for a coffee maker and you also get terrible headaches from caffeine.
Small animal deprivation?! Baby hamster to the rescue!
(Tries to think of a reason for instant decaf)
So, um, say you like the taste of coffee, but not really, and you don’t have any coffee making equipment and can’t afford to get any, and you don’t need the caffeine boost. Maybe then.
I have a friend who keeps trying to get me to try the “coffee sticks” from Korea, where you just add water to get cappucino, etc. Generally Korea makes great coffee, but I’m just not buying the idea that the instant kind with “milk” included is worth drinking.
Or maybe you are making a coffee-flavored dessert (many such recipes call for instant coffee crystals because they’re water-soluble) and you’re going to give it to kids so you want to minimize how wired they get, or AWWW BABY HAMSTER
D’awwww That baby hamster is so adorable!!!! <3
Is Poxy making less sense as zie goes on? Because I couldn't tell what the last post was saying, but then again, that may just be my bedtime activating.
Katz — then why drink it at all? That stuff doesn’t taste like coffee, coffee ice cream or something would be more coffee-like. Though really, I only care if I have to confirm that you are not handing me a cup of coffee and not telling me it’s instant decaf. That’s a double sin.
Whatever, in matters of taste…just don’t make me taste it, my tastes are against it.
Also, show of hands, who here gives a fuck what happened to someone not here, on some blog that isn’t this one?
Bedtime powers, activate! It isn’t just you. I mean, I can follow the gist of it, just not the why. Mind, I can follow wtf ABNOY is saying, and am semi-fluent in Owly.
re: coffee
I’ve never understood decaf coffee. Then again, I only drink coffee for the caffine, so maybe that’s inevitable. (I’m also a total wuss with my coffee, I end up dosing it up with so much cream and suger and chocolate….)
I dunno, I’m an herbal tea drinker.
I’ll pretend you’re understanding more because you’re fluent in troll then, even though it’s probably the sleepy reason. But rather than accept it I have got some sugar to perk me up, because going to bed would just be ridiculous*
*tongue in cheek, not sure how to clarify that here.
This is probably just my me-ness again, but I don’t quite understand your show of hands question, sorry. It was a little vague (was it supposed to be?) Idk i’m rambling.
I have no objection to good decaf that tastes like regular coffee, it’s just that the instant kind always tastes either weak or bitter to me. I figure if I’m going to expose my stomach to that much acid I may as well be getting a caffeine kick out of it.
@ Marie
May just be that the acid bothers your stomach, but also, where do you usually buy it? I find that Starbucks requires the addition of lots of milk and sugar for me because I just don’t like the taste, whereas say my local coffee house I don’t find myself adding nearly as much of either since the coffee is smoother. Also, not sure why, but for me iced coffee requires less milk and sugar.
I have never actually “SQUEEd” in my life until I clicked on that baby hamster link.
Poxy, I don’t know if you’re a troll (as we use the term here) or not, but you are definitely being an asshole. If you’re not a troll, try a little introspection about why you’re getting such a negative reaction.
If you are a troll, step on LEGOs for all of eternity.
My mum drinks instant decaf. She likes it and neither of is interested in the matter of making coffee; also she doesn’t want the caffeine (also even if we wanted to have coffee-making machinery, we have literally no space to keep it). Could we knock off what’s sounding like coffee snobbery, kthanks?
Normally I just make it in a coffee maker (so, grocery store). I think it’s the taste thing, though, because I just don’t like the taste of many coffees. The time I had coffee at starbucks I had to add a lot of sugar and stuff, too, though. I figured since it was a store only for coffee the coffee would actually be good. :p
BTW favorite fruity herbal tea.
http://www.farleaves.com/shop/tea_page.php3?tea_id=73
Favorite spicy/ gingery herbal tea.
http://www.mightyleaf.com/loose-tea_herbal-tea/ginger-twist-loose-tea/
Favorite roobios blend.
http://www.mightyleaf.com/loose-tea_herbal-tea/organic-african-nectar-rooibos-tea/
Yeah, “how is this relevant?” was my thought on that one.