Hey, everyone. So I sat down to write something about this horrific discussion of domestic violence on The Spearhead – which some of the Man Boobz commentariat have already started discussing here – and, well, I just couldn’t do it.
I need to step back a bit from this blog for a little while to clear my head and maintain my sanity. So I’m going to take a bit of a break – maybe just a few days, maybe a week – and post nothing but interesting videos and other things having nothing whatsoever to do with misogyny or the manosphere. You all, of course, can treat this any any other thread as a totally open thread to discuss whatever you want, including the regular Man Boobz topics of misogyny and general MRA shitlordery.
I’m going to start off with the dance number that first got me hooked on Bollywood music some years ago. This is from the 1998 film Dil Se, a drama about love and terrorism. But in Bollywood, even serious dramas have dance numbers, and Dil Se’s dance numbers are gorgeous and a little surreal.
The music from the film is by A.R. Rahman, a prolific and popular Bollywood music director best known in the US for doing the music for Slumdog Millionaire.
And yes, that is Bollywood megastar Shah Rukh Khan dancing on top of a moving train without any safety harness or stunt double or CGI trickery. (Well, there are a couple of brief bits where a double might have been used.) Enjoy!
Argenti, I like your salad metaphor.
It would nice if I could just turn off my emotions, I often find them annoying and intrusive. But I also recognize that without feelings I would lack the ability to empathize, and lacking the ability to empathize makes me either a shitty human being or a human being with a serious mental illness.
The thing I always liked about the Vulcans of Star Trek was not that they don’t feel emotion, because they do. But they are trained to separate emotion from reason (NOT logic) and be able to understand when emotion clouds reason. This is dealt with very poorly on a lot of the tv episodes, and dealt with brilliantly in many of the books.
Your young man has a lot to learn. He also needs to get out of the house and interact with more people.
Dredging up my Latin…Argenti Aertheri means something like “silver sky”?
Hot buttered cider and rum for all! And I then I have to go, for I have shit to do before bed.
@Some Gal, I live in Pittsburgh. We were promised 4-6 inches of snow, got about 5 inches, and at least half of it had melted away by 4 pm. I’m just glad I don’t have to shovel anything.
@ellex
For some reason, knowing the effects are wider always makes me feel better about weather. It doesn’t make sense for more suffering to make me relieved. I am strange. I am also glad you didn’t have to shovel.
We’ve gotten snow and rain and hail today! And the wind is like out of an intensely claustrophobic Wuthering Heights adaptation. I almost fear I will start hearing “Cathy” in it. *shivers*
Some Gal — it’s shitty out here, but not unbearably so. It sounds like it’s getting worse, but I wore my expensive leather boots out earlier without worrying about getting them wet.
And thanks, I may be back later with key points from his “argument” that are actually worth discussing, because I do think he was, at times, butting up against the side of having a point. Just doing it with an, um, spear head…fuck them and their ruining my pointy metaphor!
“Dredging up my Latin…Argenti Aertheri means something like “silver sky”?”
Yep! I typo’ed ætheri but find ærtheri easier to say (and only recently got an easy way to type æ) — I was going for something akin to how every cloud has a silver lining, but that’s long, and I couldn’t find anything for either cloud or lining that I didn’t hate. Also, alliteration, I loves it!
+1 internet for getting that!
And Pittsburgh got that much? The day the not-an-ex got back from LA? No wonder ze’s cranky!
Whenever I think of Wuthering Heights I’m reminded of Dave Allen’s sketches, like the one where they’re running across the moor shouting “Heathcliff!” “Cathy!” When they finally meet, it’s “You’re not Heathcliff!” “You’re not Cathy!” “Oh, never mind …” and they fall into the grass anyway.
@The Kittehs’
That sounds hilarious. Frankly, not being Heathcliff and Cathy is probably happiest for everybody.
Ahem.
OMG that was perfect!
::dies::
@Argenti Aertheri
…. O_O That is so…bwuh. He said that? O_O
I know, I don’t think trying to tell other people to fear death or w/e (disabilty? suicided? everything he’s hit at this point?) is good, I emphasized a little with the fear of death. He’s way overblown it though, thinking other people should follow his example when they all have different fears. I also think the b/c of fear of death wanting to get download into a computer is a little over the top/ implausible, but that’s not directly affecting other people like the rest of his stuff.
I’m sorry if that sounded defensive, I mean, idk I’m having a hard time knowing how my tone is today.
Hugs accepted 🙂
Sorry for ranting/derailing about me again.
I think this is the thread I started angsting on? Anyway, I actually did get around to talking to my dad today. It went better than I expected, but not amazing. Apparently he did try to talk to the therapist him and my mom were seeing about it before sending me to kiddie asylum and she was the one who recommended it. I’m no therapist, but it seemed hiiiiighllly unprofessional to try to diagnose someone w/o meeting them, so I would love to tell her off.
They also bought some weird parenting books, and when I pressed him for what kind he said there was one called ‘the explosive child’ O_o which just sounds …. unreliable to me, but maybe that’s my ickiness getting in the way.
And the meds they were having me take were for bipolar stuff. :/
/sorry for dumping.
Marie —
I kind of paraphrased and summarized a shit ton of rage inducing stupidity, but this one is a direct quote:
Yeah, that totally makes perfect sense…in a world where the death rate isn’t (eventually) 100%; where the things that a easiest to prevent should be prevented before the harder to prevent ones; where only the affected person matters, not their friends and family; and, capping off the stupid, where the holocaust is 1/6th as important as all those people dying every year from their bad bad cancer and heart disease inducing lifestyle habits!
“I’m sorry if that sounded defensive, I mean, idk I’m having a hard time knowing how my tone is today.”
No worries! And the hugs are free, take all you want!
Hilariously, I have both my iPad and Mac out just to sort through whether he had any debatable points. I really am too damned stubborn for my own good!
Dump away! Or at least, I’m the last person to have any standing to complain, I do it often enough XD
And yeah, diagnosing anyone with any consult, particularly a child, is squicky at best.
If you don’t mind, I have a question. That med, I’m assuming you don’t remember the name, but did you get periodic blood tests? …I need to double check something…
Sorry if that’s prying, I have most of a psych degree and my not-an-ex got one and is now a pharmacy student…plus I have my own medicine cabinet of psych drugs. My interest is piqued.
Argh! “There are so few transgender people I have a hard time caring about them getting murdered compared to the murders of poor people, who are far more numerous”
That’s a direct motherfucking do you have empathy at all quote.
I was really trying to format out the email stuff so I could read it all like a court transcript, and then THAT.
@argenti aertheri
*is squicked out by that guy* the holocoust one was bad enough but that last one O_O gah.
Yay for the hugs! *takes hugs and hoards hugs* …*names all the hugs* /is weird.
It’s not prying (at least for me). I don’t think I ever got a blood test for the med. :/ I may have had one when I entered the kiddie asylum, but none since then, or when I was supposed to be taking them. To be honest, even if you do get more pry-y I don’t mind, since you aren’t acting like I have to say it, and I’m also curious about what was going on. At least I got a little from my dad’s end but the whole thing was 7 years ago.
Seconding being squicked out by Mr Lives In The Cloud* Boy, with a side order of wtf at his wilful stupidity. Since when is caring about murders a democratic voting process, with the largest demographic getting empathy/sympathy simply because they’re the largest? That’s idiotic as well as fucking callous.
*pun intended
Because raw numbers!! This is me taking a break from turning the 24 page transcript of that convo into a bullet point outline. I need that dancing goalposts gif, a print copy of derailing for dummies, a print out of my fallacy list, at least four highlighters, a tall glass of mango juice with about two shots of good vodka, a large bag of chocolate chips, and some way of making my ethics hurt less…the chocolate might work…
I’m collecting a separate list of “head mets wall” quotes, I’ll share whenever I finish. Maybe we can get enough mockery to rectify my ire.
I’m cranked out term papers and research reports the night before (don’t tell the not-an-ex, I did that with the research project we met on!) — but this? *screams*
Social justice issues are just divisions in the more important fight for economic equality! See, that’d be hilarious if said by a first year sociology student that just discovered Marx, especially so if it was between bong hits. Not so much by a college grad with a genius IQ.
Marie — I doubt it was lithium then, and I’d question giving anything else that’s traditionally used for bipolar disorder to a kid (well, I’d question lithium too, but at least we’ve been using it long enough to know wtf it does). Basically, if it was lithium and they weren’t doing blood tests, that’s dangerously stupid; if it was anything else, I have serious questions about giving it to a child (mine for example? Risk of DEATH RASH, a condition that is, in general, more likely in kids) — either way, I consider your decision to stop taking it to be smarter than the decision to prescribe it.
Honestly? I took a course in child psychopathology, relatively recently, outside ASD and ADHD we know fuck all. Unfortunately, I doubt you’ll get your answers, because I doubt anyone really had their shit together.
Of course, I’m pissed at my psych currently, I haven’t felt this level of “no one is fucking listening” since I was ~16 (that’s not a commentary about age, but that I was a fucking mess then)
First year bong hits…that’s what I need…
Or more accurately, the bong and the people I used to share one with. A collection of frat boy wannabes, commies, artists, and a strange set of majors — psych, poli-sci, art, think there was a CS hippie…a business major libertarian (pro tip, stick to fucking them, they get messy to get involved with…and just don’t fuck republicans, never sleep with the enemy 🙂 )
*dies laughing* the only one of them that might’ve said that social justice was less important than economics was the business major, but genocide being less important than heart disease? I wouldn’t want to clean up the mess after everything from nachos to bong water got everywhere (for those unfamiliar with bong water, it smells like a combo of swamp and ass…and nothing like swamp ass…)
Fun times…even with the first year baby Marxist!
In funnier things, I have a pair of crazy pills dangling off my lips. I should swallow then and then find my chapstick!
Flabbergasted, I am
/yoda
Total non-major in anything here, but … does he seriously think prejudice and hatred of “the other” would disappear along with economic inequality? Does he even consider that those very prejudices are what prevent so many people from having any chance of basic economic security, let alone economic equality with the majority?
Oy.
I am seeing you doing a really bad vampire impression with those pills (capsules?) tucked into your top lip. 😛
“I am seeing you doing a really bad vampire impression with those pills (capsules?) tucked into your top lip.”
And sending a pic of it to the not-an-ex! XD
I’m on break from converting to outline because that’s where I got to — how economic equality would allow for better lobbying and grassroots efforts (note he does not consider himself an activist and has fuck all clue). That, and argh I looked at it again!
“And, presently being poor, I’m affected by the greatest social justice issue of them all. Money, more than anything else, is the unit of power.”
It’s MRA “logic” but from someone who can form sentences. Yeah poor cis straight white men with “high functioning” ASD are totally exactly as oppressed as poor trans* women of color! (Dear gods, intersectionality? That’s just divisions, y’all need to stop having divisions and focus on my money problems!)
Look, obviously economic inequality is a thing, but dear gods is that worse for some groups than others!
I require tea, guess I’ll make something cheap and easy, I lack the patience currently to brew white tea.
The old ad here had it “A cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down,” which apart from the Bex sounds like what you need!
I’ve decided to finish this and then make good tea as a treat. There is a point to this, sort of, once I have this mess in something resembling debatable points, I’m letting Pecunium have a go at it. Because some of it is valid, or valid enough I kept at it for a few days, but it’s so mired in SHIT.
Also, y’all will get the most outrageous of the quotes 🙂
Now letting Pecunium loose on Cloud Boy would be interesting … /schadenfreude
“If this sounds familiar, it’s because its also one explanation as to why poor whites can be racist when they have more in common with poor blacks than they do with the powerful. It gives them someone to be better than.”
Via joanimal
And this is why racism et al need to be prioritized over “everyone just has to work together to solve income inequality, because solving that will make racism et al easier to solve” — fuck yes all of the above need to be solved, but argh! You do not get to say to people who are minorities in ways besides being poor, that your poor white (male, cis, straight, erc) ass needs them to stop being divisive by worrying about racism et al!
Because goddamned yes, we need to work together, but people in positions of privilege telling people with less privilege what they have to do? OH HAI oppression!