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Getting their PUAHate on

Early PUAs hold a "boot camp" on a beach.
Early PUAs hold a “boot camp” on a beach.

PUAHAte.com is an … interesting place. A site for debunking the ridiculous claims and shitty behavior of Pickup Artists? Sounds great – at least until you realize that the denizens are mostly dudes who hate PUAs for all the wrong reasons. That is, they hate PUAs not so much for being manipulative scumbags but for being ineffective manipulative scumbags — whose alleged magic formulas for bedding the hot babes don’t really work.

The other day I was introduced to a fledgling Twitter account, @puahate_txt, which reposts hilariously awful comments from PUAhate.com. This inspired me to take another look at the site and do a little poking around for awful quotes on my own. They weren’t hard to find. (It’s harder, really, to find comments that aren’t awful.)

Here’s one charming fellow, who calls himself ToadLookingMaggot, and who holds a grudge against the entire female gender because of a $3 loan gone awry.

After reading ” The manipulated man ” i saw women really for what they where, little selfish Moneysucking vampire Whores.

This rinsing stuff starts in high school if not earlier they try to leech money, food, free rides and basically anything that benefits them in some kind of form. I borrowed a female 3 dollars for meal a meal one time, for months she said that she was going to let me have it and in the end i never got them back.

It doesn’t matter if it’s 2 dollars or 2.000 dollars there freaks never pay you back. Only idiots buy drinks for women.

Men are ruining women because they let them get away with anything. Never in my life will i ever spend money on women unless we pay 5050 on a date.

Uh, obvious question here, but if you hate women, and think that they’re all “Moneysucking vampire Whores,” WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DATE THEM? I’m pretty sure that you’re not going to find many interested in you either, at least not after they get a whiff of your personality.

And that’s your PERSONALITY, not your looks. PUAhaters seem obsessed with the notion that women only date male models, and spend a lot of time bemoaning their own looks – I just quoted a guy who describes himself as a ToadLookingMaggot, after all. Yet whenever they post pictures of themselves they seem to be completely normal, average, not-actually-bad-looking-at-all guys. Guys, your problem isn’t your lack of beauty on the outside. What’s ugly is your attitudes.

Speaking of which, here’s RomanCitizen, a self-described Incel, lamenting that life is sad to all but the “top 10%” of men? Why? Because ladies walk around looking all pretty, yet for some reason they do not allow RomanCitizen to fuck them.

The life of man is a sad one

Excluding the top 10%.

Born into a world of plenty, of abundance, of denial.

See, smell, imagine.

Do not taste, touch, feel.

Like a caged animal in a harem, fed only occasionally fish heads (scraps in the game).

And when the caged animal gets the fish head (scrap), he is happy and rationalizes his pitiful existence, like many men …

But, the cage is still a cage. A fish head – still a fish head.

PROTIP: If you think of the women you don’t find sufficiently desirable as “fish heads,” and walk around in a perpetual boner-rage, you’re probably not going to seem especially charming to the women you do find desirable. Or to anyone else except perhaps the denizens of PUAHate.com. And not all of them, either.

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Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

&.l.t blockquote /.&.r.t

Um…sort of. The / goes on the closing tag, before the tag itself (eg blockquote, em). The Unicode symbols end in ; and it’s lt (less than) and gt (greater than)

Some Gal Not Bored at All

That didn’t work. Argenti is a magician. That is all there is to it.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

So this is how you do it?

Some Gal Not Bored at All

Oh. That makes sense. I went with left and right

<blockquote> Take that monster </blockquote>

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

How is that different from this?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

With a gravatar like that, of course Argenti is a magician!

“Silly blockquote monster, the more of us who can show how it is done, the more blockquotes you will have to eat.”

Wasn’t there a peer-reviewed article on the causes and effects of super-sizing blockquote serves in the blockquote monster community?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Kitteh — I think so? Hard to tell when they’re so tiny.

That invisible ally is defeated by using &lt; and &gt;

(And those? &amp;lt; and &amp;gt; and this is why JavaScript is actually a useful skill, miss one character and BREAK ALL THE THINGS. Mind you, I never pay nearly enough attention when I’m using them, as opposed to explaining them!)

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Cassandra — are you using < or &lt; ? The former will evoke the HTML tag itself, have to use the Unicode for < to get around it.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

::head spins in confusion::

Some Gal Not Bored at All

@Argenti
Thanks for explaining it btw. I think I will be able to remember since I messed it up. Corrections of my errors always stick in my head better than anything else.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Some Gal got it! w00t!

Oh and congrats Ghost Btty. You can nest them, but that’s when the blockquote monastery gets out its friends for a feast.

And I misheard script kiddie as script kitty, so yes, I am a script kitty magician 🙂

Some Gal Not Bored at All

And now I have fixed what was going wrong with all my youtube attempts. My browser sticks spaces in when I paste and that apparently breaks youtube imbeds.

NNY
NNY
8 years ago

pecunium, Thank you for telling me my opinion on equality. How very presumptuous of you.

The notion of white men having the most wealth/power/pull in the world is very US/Western-centric. There are a billion people in China, and not one single white man in an executive position of power. And once China starts reforming it’s economic system to be more capitalistic, there will be far more Chinese men and women on the Forbes “Billionaires List” than whites.

Can we just drop a white man into North Korea and Kim Jong-un will just hand over control of the entire country? Will all the warlords in Somalia just turn over their control if we parachute in a white dude?

Power is power and it knows no race/sex/nationality. It has more to do with people’s ingroup biases to favor other people that look, talk, act and believe the same as they do.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

To celebrate, I am sharing this again because it is my favorite thing and never fails to make me happy.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I just played that kitty vid and Mads is all worrit about it now! 😀

Wally Wick
Wally Wick
8 years ago

That is horrible, particularly all the harassment and rapeyness mixed in with minor things (who gets mad at air guitar?).

I think they’re working off the offensive stereotype that women hate guitars and all guitar-related music because they only listen to shitty dance pop.

melody
8 years ago

And who doesn’t know their dude looks at porn. I just wouldn’t look at browser history.

Besides if a dude did air guitar and there was music playing I would probably join in.

twomoogles
twomoogles
8 years ago

We need a list of people who have no chance of ever getting dates/sex/love/relationships, according to these guys.

The perpetually single includes:
Women over 30, unemployed men, women who don’t fit conventional beauty standards, nice guys, ambitious women, men who are friends with women, single mothers, poor guys, women who’ve had more than 5 sexual partners…

I mean, I know that when I look around, absolutely the only people I see paired up are couples consisting of a rich aggressive guy and a young beautiful near-virgin!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I like guitar and do air guitar on occasion. Put Cockney Rebel’s Make Me Smile on and you’ll see some truly woeful left-handed air guitar. 🙂

If by dance music they mean that electronic stuff, I can’t abide it.

I am very glad to say my man does not look at porn, but he did grow up in a different era!

Some Gal Not Bored at All

The boyfriend and I both look at porn and when we were newly together told each other what porn we primarily looked at as a way of sharing our kinks and because it didn’t make sense to us to not talk about it when we talk about masturbation, etc. We occasionally talk about it still, but that’s about as far as we care to go. We do kinky stuff together for each of us and then each of us has our own type of kinky porn. It has never seemed like a big deal to me.

I’d be upset if a guy lied about it, but if he didn’t want to share, I think I could be okay with that. I wouldn’t go looking and I would hope if he didn’t want me to know, he’d hide it so I wouldn’t stumble on it by accident. (We still don’t know who of the boyfriend’s family- brother, dad, mom – is into the stuff we found by accident of the computer at his parents’ house and we don’t want to know, but we wish we could tell whoever it is how to clear a history on a shared computer. Sheesh.)

katz
8 years ago

Our trolls shouldn’t try meeting people at the fruit growers’ association.

Everyone there is armed with fruit.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

We still don’t know who of the boyfriend’s family- brother, dad, mom – is into the stuff we found by accident of the computer at his parents’ house and we don’t want to know, but we wish we could tell whoever it is how to clear a history on a shared computer.

Wow, that’s awkward. I’d be sitting there trying to figure out who it was so that I could slip them a discrete note.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Can you just post a note with general directions on deleting browser history? Maybe with a note about this should be done periodically for the sake of the computer.

BigMomma
8 years ago

I was helping my aunt declutter her computer many years ago and was explaining how to clear the cache/history etc. Sadly, my uncle was clearly unaware that I was going to do this and/or didn’t know how to do it himself. My poor aunt was confronted with his porn browsing history, it took me a few minutes to realise what I was looking at. I think we pretended it didn’t happen and I wiped the history. It clearly was not a shared topic of conversation between them. They later divorced (over other stuff) but I still remember that day. I felt so bad for my aunt.

Some Gal Not Bored at All

I think we cleared it and tried not to think about it too much. There have been mentions about such things to both his parents during general computer how-to chats, but I think the boyfriend is too embarrassed to ever ask his brother. (At the time we found it, it was not too long after a holiday when his brother visited and while we were temporarily living with his parents. It could have been from any of them.)

We just knew it wasn’t ours. 🙂 Not only was it not our thing, but we would never have left an easy trail.

pecunium
8 years ago

niNNY: Thank you for telling me my opinion on equality. How very presumptuous of you.

And your declamation about how I, and other “feminists” are actually about “equality of outcome” was based on?

Oh right, the straw feminist in your head. So if purity of response to the written word is the touchstone, physician heal thyself.

Power is power and it knows no race/sex/nationality. It has more to do with people’s ingroup biases to favor other people that look, talk, act and believe the same as they do.

And the importance of China/North Korea to the “equality of outcome” you are accusing “feminists” of being in favor of is…?

Nothing.

So the derail is just that, an attempt to actually avoid the issue, and pretend that I said things I didn’t say, in response to things you actually did; unless you are going to tell me you are out there fighting the good fight for equality in China and N. Korea.

How do you propose to enforce an “Equality of Opportunity”, here, and abroad.

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

NNYdon is moving goalposts? Say it ain’t so.

You’d think there’d be other sites he could be an insufferable gasbag at.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

It has more to do with people’s ingroup biases to favor other people that look, talk, act and believe the same as they do.

Can we give this statement some sort of award for epic stupidity? What’s the most powerful demographic group in the world? White men (and, on a bigger scale, white people in general). Are white men (and/or white people) the demographic majority?

If all that was going on was people right now (historical context, what’s that?) favoring those who resemble them then the assumed norm would be either Chinese or Indian, and that’s who would be running the world.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Everyone there is armed with fruit.

Yes, and I doubt the trolls would have done self-defence courses.

http://youtu.be/ByZqx30OvVs

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

Can we give this statement some sort of award for epic stupidity?

Just this one? Brandon deserves many Epic Stupidity awards.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Off topic // on OP — dear gods, check out those hats! Tallest guy, center, the two huge ones to the left of him (his right) — holy shit those are absurd!

On topic — eat the banana, rendering your attacker unarmed.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I love the way the guy at centre front (the one with his foot against his knee) has his thumbs tucked under his armpits like he has a waistcoat or braces on. I’m hoping he’s doing it deliberately, ie. knowing how strange it looks!

NNY
NNY
8 years ago

pecunium, What strawmen? Practically every article on major feminist websites is about “Women are only X% of Politicians/Firefighters/Board Members/CEO’s/etc…

Equality of outcome tries to enforce an equal 50/50 split which is what feminists are always harping about.

You can’t enforce equality of opportunity. You just try and create a level playing field and you let people make the choices they want to make.

Nothing prevents anyone from campaigning from office, taking the firefighters test or attend their local police academy.

The importance of highlighting China and North Korea was to show that white people don’t just have free reign over the world. The Chinese can exert an enormous amount of power on the US if it so choose to do so.

The second point was that if the Chinese become even more capitalistic, they have the possibility to become the dominate culture in the world. Maybe in 50 years all those white people that you say run everything will be forced to learn Mandarin.

If you only look at the world from a US-centric lens, yes the percentages are heavily skewed towards whites being in control/power. But when you include other cultures, that percentage shrinks.

It appears feminists are saying “See this pool of countries that are predominately white…well white people run them. See! White people rule everything!”

What derail? What issue? All you have done is talk shit and make the claim that I don’t support equality. Which is a flagrant lie. Hell, I didn’t even give any concrete examples of equality disputes and you just came running in saying “Pfft, you don’t support equality”. You are like the quintessential knee-jerker.

I’ll even give you your quote:

“Nope. You believe in forms of equality, a kabuki of rituals that allow someone to perpetuate inequality, with the pretense of fairness.”

What do feminists always like to say? Oh yeah, citation needed.

timetravellingfool
timetravellingfool
8 years ago

does ninny imagine north korea has some degree of real international power beyond temper tantrums for food aid?

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

They’ve supposedly been testing nuclear weapons, but seeing how I hear such things flittered through fox and/or my father, apply salt.

Oh, latest bullshit theory from him as to why America will be at war here? The Chinese will invade Long Island sound, and our little harbor in particular. Note, we’re not in NYC, or really all that close.

So, Suez Canal or Panama? Cape of Good Hope, Drake Passage or the truly dangerous way through the straits of Magellan? Northwest passage! (northeast passage in this case?)

Well that settles it, climate change isn’t a thing but China’s gonna invade the east coast via the northwest (northeast) passage!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Strewth, Argenti, your dad could give Owly a run for his money.

Trae Dorn
8 years ago

North Korea: Somehow internationally important even without functioning furnaces.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

North Korea – important because it sits an alarmingly short distance away from Seoul, the capital of a country that has trading relationships with pretty much every major world power.

(Also I think China is getting a little tired of taking in refugees who flee North Korea in search of a. a relatively reasonable government and b. food. Things are pretty bad when the Chinese government looks relatively reasonable.)

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

It’s not that long ago I was reading about people in North Korea being reduced to eating grass to try to survive, things are so bad in parts of the country. Yeah, when China is preferable, things are really bad.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

“Strewth, Argenti, your dad could give Owly a run for his money.”

He really could!

pecunium
8 years ago

niNNY: What strawmen? Practically every article on major feminist websites is about “Women are only X% of Politicians/Firefighters/Board Members/CEO’s/etc…

That strawman, where observing a fact (men are disproportionately represented) and wanting to remove the discriminatory practices which cause it = forcing an outcome where women (merely for being women) are given jobs.

You can’t enforce equality of opportunity. You just try and create a level playing field and you let people make the choices they want to make.

And when this is done, women and minorities end up being represented proportions equal to their participation.

You, however, are happy with the way things are (with women, and minorities being underrepresented; which is what I said.

The importance of highlighting China and North Korea was to show that white people don’t just have free reign over the world.

And it was a strawman because I never said they did.

What do feminists always like to say? Oh yeah, citation needed.

Actually, that’s more a this cite (and Making Light) habit. Perhaps you’ve been here before?

But, for citiation I think the post I’m quoting here is good enough.

If you think the present system offers equality of opportunity, and women and minorities are represented at far below their participation, then either there isn’t a level playing field, or you think white men are somehow more capable (in the US).

In either case, you aren’t arguing for equality.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Argenti – your old man doesn’t have family in Texas, does he?

::shudders::

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I just found this great kitty fail on an old post:

http://youtu.be/WoV7Vjo24Pk

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Kitteh — thankfully no. My mother’s side is all over the damned place, but they range from sorta conservative to Woodstock while pregnant (and her kids and grandkids) to anti-vax’er. That one, unsurprisingly, annoys me the most.

My father’s side is all New England. To the point that when some uncle I’d never heard of died he got a fair chunk of money (and proceeded to spend most of it and whine about taxes). Point here is that they’re a tiny lot until my generation, and we’re liberals and fashion designers and having kids at 20~ and marrying their tattooed father (hil-fucking-larious listening to my father rant about her first born’s name…baby-daddy is Native American, my father’s 1/8th Native…but the name is clearly Not White!!!)

Racism, it’s hilarious sometimes.

Whiskey and tea, it’s awesome all the times. Sorry about the All About Me post, I’m less than sober (and debating less wrong talking points, Pecunium see your email about that headache, thanks!)

joanimal
joanimal
8 years ago

The perpetually single includes:
Women over 30, …, women who’ve had more than 5 sexual partners…

I mean, I know that when I look around, absolutely the only people I see paired up are couples consisting of a rich aggressive guy and a young beautiful near-virgin!

/sarcasm

Oh fer gods sake, this meme still exists? I should get out more…

The most idiotic meme in the history of mankind: I wants a young inexperienced women who nevertheless is flawless at fellatio, enjoys anal, and is stellar at all 119 positions of coitus. How can anyone over the age of 6 believe competence without experience is possible?

/rant

Cthulhu's Intern
8 years ago

But if they’re experienced, they get loose! What that has to do with fellatio and anal, I don’t know, but still!

Also, does this count as a cute cat video?

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Argenti – call me nosey but I like all about me posts, ‘cept when they’re from boring douchebag trolls who are boring.

So, weird family but Not Related to Owly is a plus. Quite a big one. Being related to him would be like a life sentence to the corner of shame, or at least the corner of profound embarrassment.

joanimal – I keep thinking those twits should see some film of my suburb. It’s on the fringes of Melbourne, fairly poor, and while not a food desert at all, it reflects the effects of economics on diet and health. In short: lots and lots of people who are far from conventionally attractive, plenty who are overweight, none who look like they’re cashed up. And guess what? They’re in couples! Lots of pairs around! Lots of men and women looking pretty happy in each other’s company! Talking! Holding hands even! How can this be? Are these guys betas and omegas or something, settling for less-than-supermodel women? (Because there are SO MANY supermodels in my city.)

It really serves MRAs right that they live in self-inflicted loneliness and misery, because I don’t see much likelihood of many of ’em – the older ones, at least – ever being fit to live with. I know they can change, we’ve really classy folk right on this blog who have, but the toxic ones … mmmf.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Cthluhu’s Intern – that is absolutely a cute cat video! 🙂

pecunium
8 years ago

BTW: Having a great time in Calif. Just did a gig as Floyd, with Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem.

We brought the house down.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Pecunium — w00t! *passes over the whiskey in congratulations*

Kitteh — kk, thanks!

Also, D’AWW yes lions are cats! And I’m having a baby’s first Marxism argument, plus consequencalism, plus logic without emotion is ideal, plus how all social justice is less important than wealth inequality. And it looks like another round of stupid has just arrived in my inbox!

Pecunium, pass that whiskey back this way, I’m going to need it!