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Getting their PUAHate on

Early PUAs hold a "boot camp" on a beach.
Early PUAs hold a “boot camp” on a beach.

PUAHAte.com is an … interesting place. A site for debunking the ridiculous claims and shitty behavior of Pickup Artists? Sounds great – at least until you realize that the denizens are mostly dudes who hate PUAs for all the wrong reasons. That is, they hate PUAs not so much for being manipulative scumbags but for being ineffective manipulative scumbags — whose alleged magic formulas for bedding the hot babes don’t really work.

The other day I was introduced to a fledgling Twitter account, @puahate_txt, which reposts hilariously awful comments from PUAhate.com. This inspired me to take another look at the site and do a little poking around for awful quotes on my own. They weren’t hard to find. (It’s harder, really, to find comments that aren’t awful.)

Here’s one charming fellow, who calls himself ToadLookingMaggot, and who holds a grudge against the entire female gender because of a $3 loan gone awry.

After reading ” The manipulated man ” i saw women really for what they where, little selfish Moneysucking vampire Whores.

This rinsing stuff starts in high school if not earlier they try to leech money, food, free rides and basically anything that benefits them in some kind of form. I borrowed a female 3 dollars for meal a meal one time, for months she said that she was going to let me have it and in the end i never got them back.

It doesn’t matter if it’s 2 dollars or 2.000 dollars there freaks never pay you back. Only idiots buy drinks for women.

Men are ruining women because they let them get away with anything. Never in my life will i ever spend money on women unless we pay 5050 on a date.

Uh, obvious question here, but if you hate women, and think that they’re all “Moneysucking vampire Whores,” WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DATE THEM? I’m pretty sure that you’re not going to find many interested in you either, at least not after they get a whiff of your personality.

And that’s your PERSONALITY, not your looks. PUAhaters seem obsessed with the notion that women only date male models, and spend a lot of time bemoaning their own looks – I just quoted a guy who describes himself as a ToadLookingMaggot, after all. Yet whenever they post pictures of themselves they seem to be completely normal, average, not-actually-bad-looking-at-all guys. Guys, your problem isn’t your lack of beauty on the outside. What’s ugly is your attitudes.

Speaking of which, here’s RomanCitizen, a self-described Incel, lamenting that life is sad to all but the “top 10%” of men? Why? Because ladies walk around looking all pretty, yet for some reason they do not allow RomanCitizen to fuck them.

The life of man is a sad one

Excluding the top 10%.

Born into a world of plenty, of abundance, of denial.

See, smell, imagine.

Do not taste, touch, feel.

Like a caged animal in a harem, fed only occasionally fish heads (scraps in the game).

And when the caged animal gets the fish head (scrap), he is happy and rationalizes his pitiful existence, like many men …

But, the cage is still a cage. A fish head – still a fish head.

PROTIP: If you think of the women you don’t find sufficiently desirable as “fish heads,” and walk around in a perpetual boner-rage, you’re probably not going to seem especially charming to the women you do find desirable. Or to anyone else except perhaps the denizens of PUAHate.com. And not all of them, either.

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The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Urrrgh to all of those but especially the “logic without emotion is ideal”.

Not unless you’re Spock, it ain’t.

I know that all comes from ignorance (we don’t make decisions without emotion) and serious lack of self-awareness, but to me it’s also a huge red flag. It practically screams sociopath. I know, I know, far more likely just self-infatuated college kiddy, but it seems to go with cold indifference or outright cruelty too often.

/rant

BlackBloc (@XBlackBlocX)

“Equality of opportunity” vs “Equality of outcome” bullshit, an answer:

If there truly was “equality of opportunity”, the only possible reason there might not be “equality of outcome” (on the macro/society scale, not micro/individual scale) is if you believe women are naturally inferior to men, and therefore incapable of obtaining the same outcome as men.

Now women, for the exact same work as men, are paid 0.70$ on the dollar. Yes, some women are paid more than some men. Women, in general, as a class, versus men, as a class, are not.

Now when you’re using weaselwords to say “equality of opportunity is not equality of outcome”, while YOU think you come off as “hey, I’m just a fair and reasonable guy asking questions”, what WE who are not dupes are hearing is “we already have equality of opportunity, therefore bitches ain’t shit”.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

Kitteh — partly college naïveté (thank you auto correct!), partly ASD, partly deciding to get emotional once I made it personal. If I didn’t think I could possibly get through to him I’d give up. Though…

Pecunium, this is my usual headache dude, do you think I should just give up trying?

I’m too damned stubborn sometimes… (and just drunk enough currently!)

talacaris
talacaris
7 years ago

Seeing that you are talking about North Korea, here is som real information:

Fundamental Rights of Citizens

The DPRK practically guarantees the people genuine political freedom and rights according to the fundamental requirement of the Juche idea for enhancing man’s independence and creativity in every way.

In the DPRK the rights and duties of citizens are based on the collectivist principle, “One for all and all for one.” The Socialist Constitution of the DPRK specifies that the state effectively guarantees all the conditions for the democratic rights and liberties as well as the material and cultural well-being of the citizens.

All the citizens who have reached 17 years of age have the right to elect and to be elected, irrespective of sex, race, occupation, length of residence, property status, education, party affiliation, political views and religion. They also have freedom of speech, the press, assembly, demonstration and association, freedom of religious beliefs and they are entitled to submit complaints and petitions.

The workers, peasants and other working people, as masters of power, participate in state administration and freely engage in socio-political activities in political parties and public organizations.

The working people have the right to work and rest, the right to education and free medical care and freedom of scientific, literary and artistic pursuits. Women are accorded equal social status and rights with men. The state affords special privilege to mothers and children. Marriage and the family are protected by the state.

The working people are guaranteed inviolability of the person and the home and privacy of correspondence. The rights and freedom of citizens steadily increase with the consolidation and development of the socialist system.
Management of Socialist Economy

The government of the DPRK leads and manages the economy by the principle of right combination between political leadership and economic and technical guidance, the unified leadership of the state and creativity of every unit democracy and unified control, the political and moral incentives and material incentives.

The unified and detailed planning, created by President Kim Il Sung and intensified and developed by General Kim Jong Il, is the best scientific and revolutionary system of planning and method. The unified planning prevents in advance the departmentalism and localism of the producers and subjectivism and bureaucratism of the state organs by combining the state’s centralized guidance with the mass line so that it helps to draw up dynamic and scientific plan.

The detailed planning helps to grant the whole and detailed balance of national economy by calculating every element of production concretely and enabling all the branches to come into the finest details in managerial activities in a nationwide scale. Thus, it helps to eliminate the factors of imbalance and spontaneity in economic development and develop national economy rapidly.

Labour System

The socialist labour system in the DPRK is the one that is centered on the popular masses, and it provides the working people with independent and creative labor lives free from exploitation and oppression. In the socialist system of the country where people are masters of the state and society, every working-age citizen has the right to labor on equal terms irrespective of nationality, sex, age, social affiliation and religious belief.

The rights to labor include free choice of occupations, offering stable jobs and labor conditions and rewards for labor according to quality and quantity of labor. In the country where unemployment was gone long ago, the right of a citizen to labor has been proclaimed and substantially provided .by law. The labor law which was proclaimed in June, Juche 35 (1946) introduced a 8-hour labor regime and was reinforced by the Socialist Labor Law newly adopted in April, Juche 68 (1979). The daily labor span is also 7 hours or 6 hours according to the conditions of heavy and special labors.

The socialist reward-for-labor regime is materialized through salaries, bonus and bounty according to the quality and quantity of labor and through distribution by working-day in the cooperative economy. Under-age child labor is totally prohibited in the country.

The State and Social Benefits

Apart from gains by labor, the people enjoy enormous additional benefits from the state thanks to socialist policies enforced by the Party and the government.

Food Supply Benefit
The state supplies food to workers, office employees and even newly-born babies. The state purchases rice at the price of 189 won per kg and corn at 96 won per kg from cooperative farms and sells rice at 46 won and corn-processed noodles at 33 won.

Benefits from Providing Houses
The state is involved in building and allotting dwelling houses free of charge, and the people are ignorant of dwelling tax. It is the only country that builds and allots dwelling houses for working people and bears most of the utility costs. The state builds rural dwelling houses for nothing and never receives rentals from the cooperative farmers.

Benefits from Free Medical Care
The country enforced free medical care for workers, office workers and their dependents since January Juche 36 (1947). Universal free medical care was enforced since January, Juche 42 (1953) and the complete, universal free medical care since February, Juche 49 (1960).
Thus, the state bears totally the expenses of medical checkups and treatment, bed and board in hospitals, medicines, and even travel costs to and from sanatoria.

Benefits from Free Education
The country enforced universal free education at all educational institutes since Juche 48 (1959). Today the country offers the complete 11-year compulsory free education which enables from kindergarteners to university students to study free of charge. Even college and university students are learning supported by scholarships from the state.

Benefits from Tax Exemption
Thanks to the popular policies pursued by the Party and the government of the Republic, the country eliminated the devilish tax regime enforced by the Japanese imperialists, landlords and capitalists and gradually reduced some taxes which led to abolishing the agricultural tax in kind in Juche 55 (1966) and a small amount of income taxes paid by workers and office workers in April Juche 63 (1974), thus completely eliminating the tax regime, a legacy of the old society.

Benefits from Social Insurance and Social Security System
Female workers take 5 months of maternity leave, and in case of having more than 3 children, receive salaries equivalent to 8 hours’ work even though they work for 6 hours. When workers become physically impaired due to diseases, wounds and other factors, they are provided with relevant subsidies, treatment and living conditions from the state. Old pensioners (men over 60, women over 55) receive pensions and old people and orphans devoid of care receive living conditions from the state.

Source (because some people are prone to say Citation fucking needed):http://www.korea-dpr.com/index.html

Noadi
7 years ago

For some reason I do not trust your citations. Maybe because it’s official propaganda from an oppressive dictatorship.

talacaris
talacaris
7 years ago

“Maybe because it’s official propaganda from an oppressive dictatorship.”
Slanderous!!! Do you have any evidence thet the DRPK is anything else than a peace-loving prosperous democracy? Do you have any reason to think they might be misleading in their official channels? Are you aware that this might be taken as an insult against the Juche ideology and the Great and Dear Leaders &c?

Bad_dog
Bad_dog
7 years ago

@talacaris

Bahahhahhahahahahahanjahahahahahahahhahahahha…. Right… You go on an believe that.

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

@Kitten:Exactly, without emotions you couldn’t decide ANYTHING. And regarding Spock, as much as I love Star Trek it annoys me that all vulcans use the word “logic” completely wrong. Mere logic is stuff like modus ponens and modus tollens. Mere logic doesn’t dictate that you ought to do ANYTHING AT ALL. It tells you how to draw conclusions from premisses, but not which premisses to start with.

Bad_dog
Bad_dog
7 years ago

If it was sarcasm I do apologize. There are way too many trolls who spout nonsense and earnestly believe it.

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
7 years ago

@talacaris not sure if serious

Creative Writing Student

@Bad Dog

I can’t decide whether Talacris is a genu-troll or a faux-troll. I’ve worked out that gentle mockery is best – if they’re serious then they’re the butt and if they’re joking then it’s a mutual laugh.

Particularly as Talacris often flip-flops from genu-troll to faux-troll. It confuses me.

Falconer
7 years ago

The second point was that if the Chinese become even more capitalistic, they have the possibility to become the dominate culture in the world.

Clearly we will have to step up production on Adam Smith’s Trading Company. Quick! Chop down all the forests around Washington, D.C.! And then queue up The Great Library! One free technology (as long as it is known by two other civilizations) can’t be beat!

NNY
NNY
7 years ago

pecunium, removing discriminatory practices isn’t forcing an outcome. It’s leveling the playing field and making things more equal. Which I support. Forcing an outcome would be just placing women in CEO roles to satisfy a 50% parity. Which I don’t support.

Then you said:

“And when this is done, women and minorities end up being represented proportions equal to their participation.”

Really? Where is the evidence of this? Yet another citation needed. This just seems like wishful thinking on your part. You want this to be true, so you believe it.

“You, however, are happy with the way things are (with women, and minorities being underrepresented; which is what I said.”

Again with telling me what I think and feel. Seriously, you just sound arrogant. How do you know what makes me happy? Every day the US is becoming more and more equal. And tomorrow, I hope it gets even better. So please don’t go around telling people what they think they believe, you just make yourself look foolish.

“If you think the present system offers equality of opportunity, and women and minorities are represented at far below their participation, then either there isn’t a level playing field, or you think white men are somehow more capable (in the US)”

I think our society is becoming more and more level every day. I just don’t think we need to prop women into job roles just for the sake of filling a quota. Your gender or race should have no bearing on employment. Your work ethic, skills and education should determine if you get the job.

twomoogles
twomoogles
7 years ago

…what feminist sites focus mostly on ‘women are only X percentage of firefighters’ type articles? The ones I read focus mostly on social issues, violence against women, gender roles in the media….

This strawman is tired. The idea that feminists’ main goal is to have 50/50 participation in everything, and no gender differences exist, is something I pretty much only hear from people complaining about how feminists ‘go too far’. Feminists I know will cheer on a woman who is a firefighter, but also will argue we should value ‘conventionally’ feminine jobs like nurses or teachers just as much as ‘conventionally’ male jobs. .

joanimal
joanimal
7 years ago

@twommogles
And you don’t hear the other half of that strawman nonsense anymore: women are weaker than men and the standards will need to be lowered. It turned out 100-pound women didn’t apply for firefighting jobs. The ones that could lift the heavy ladders did.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Just read the second article (I’ll catch up with the others later) – interesting and scary stuff. And something the “logic is soooo much better than emotion” drelbs should learn.

Liked the way the comments were all about Vulcans. 😀

Dvärghundspossen
7 years ago

Yeah, firefighting IS a physically heavy job. The suit and the oxygen tanks together that you wear when entering a burning building weigh like fifty kilos, so it’s fairly plausible that many more men than women would be firefighters even in a perfectly feminist society. However, in a perfectly feminist society we wouldn’t have idiots going on about how NO women can possibly be good firefighters.

cloudiah
7 years ago

Pecunium, I hope that performance makes it to YouTube!

pecunium
7 years ago

Cloudiah: No chance of that, thank goodness. There are some photos, and when they are available I will post links.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

David, what a wonderful human being Dr Miele is. Thank you for posting that article. It should be required reading for the bonerwhiner brigade. I’m damn glad to have read it to add perspective for myself, for that matter.

Nikki
Nikki
7 years ago

I agree w/you about everything you said here. But — dare I say it? — I think the PUA-haters have kind of a point in that the PUA gurus are trying to exploit how horny/insecure/lonely these guys are to sell them b.s. CD’s/DVD’s/seminars/whatever. They’re right that these scam artists are trying to bilk them out of money and that their advice won’t help them. They’re right to be indignant about it and to want to tell other men to not be hoodwinked by the PUA charlatans. Even if this is the first thing in their lives they have ever been right about.

Womenbuttz
Womenbuttz
7 years ago

P.S. How do I submit a misogynistic blog for you to tear apart for my amusement? ; )

Kayla F
Kayla F
7 years ago

These guys write with such… “vivid…” imagery. They’re clearly channeling their creativity into the wrong place. They need a better outlet. I’d love to see a MRA/NaNoWriMo mash-up.

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

Nikki (if you’re also Womenbuttz, going by that PS?) – drop David a line with the info; you can contact him by clicking on the pic of his head.

NightShadeQueen
NightShadeQueen
7 years ago

this is why JavaScript is actually a useful skill, miss one character and BREAK ALL THE THINGS.

NightShadeQueen
NightShadeQueen
7 years ago

Arg, mix.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

NaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaNNaN Batman!

leftwingfox
7 years ago

I watched that video 4 or 5 times. Thanks NightShadeQueen!

The Kittehs' Unpaid Help

I like your new gravatar, leftwingfox! 😀

leftwingfox
7 years ago

Thanks! 😀

ellex24
7 years ago

Wow, you’ve all been busy the last few days! I had to be busy with other things and I’m just catching up.

But I wanted to say, in reference to the original post, that ToadLookingMaggot and Roman Citizen, by their own self-descriptions, make me visualize them as this:

Somehow, I think even Gollum would manage to blame his inability to get a date on the fact that he was a wizened, homicidal creature suffering from some form of dissociative identity disorder and an addiction to a malevolent magical artifact, not to mention years, perhaps centuries, spent eating fish and goblins in a cave; rather than blaming all the hobbit ladies he never even went out and met for being unwilling to fuck an unemployed former hobbit.

I wonder if Andy Serkis ever complains that women are only interested in him because he played a wizened, homicidal creature with DID and an addiction problem in several very popular films…

Jones
Jones
7 years ago

Don’t have time to read the comments here but I saw the article and puahate.txt twitter feed. I put two and two together and realized someone here set the twitter up. So I set up an email to tell you the twitter is really funny!

I am two..thr..;;ee.,..oh, the woman member of puahate. I had to leave due to death threats. I shouldn’t be posting here. If you look in the archives for my username (remove the punctuation) you will see my many posts. No way to prove I’m real, That’s the way of the internet.

Jones
Jones
7 years ago

Thank you, yes, sorry I misread the article.

I was a mod at one time. You can tell from this thread that your coverage and the twitter account have really upset them. Everyone responding in the thread is a mod, a former mod, the Admin, or a protege of the Admin, i.e. a troubled young man taken in under the Admin’s wing.

http://puahate.com/showthread.php?t=62251

Anyway, it’s great what you all do here.

AnotherFrustratedChump
AnotherFrustratedChump
7 years ago

If your standards for “attractive woman” come through the models you see on the covers of magazines at your local drugstore’s/convenience store’s magazine shelf, then it’s easy to see women who don’t match up as “fish heads,” and still crave them. Male sex drive usually doesn’t turn off during a period of deprivation; on the contrary, as the posters you’re mocking will attest to, it only gets worse. If you’re starving, “any crumb seems like gourmet cuisine.”

As for attitudes, it’s difficult for them to find out what’s a positive attitude to attract women especially since they once took the snake oil offered by the PUA industry. Who would they turn to ask? Most women don’t want to explain to men they don’t find attractive just what they find unattractive about them, for instance. Perhaps the “ToadLookingMaggot” (maybe he meant “Maggot-EatenToad”?) felt that women get so many free passes (such as opened doors, free drinks at bars, etc.) from men that he feels he isn’t going to do it anymore without reciprocation.

And maybe a poem like this would be better for encapsulating what they’re feeling?

There’s love enough for he
love enough for she
love enough for you
But no love for me.

Argenti Aertheri
Argenti Aertheri
7 years ago

The occasional free drink I never asked for…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axPe_p0OLcY

Kittehserf
7 years ago

A thread necromancer? Who’da thunk?

hijackthemic
7 years ago

It’s weird that the people on that website reject PUAs, but the only thing they reject about their worldview is that it doesn’t work to get them laid. The dehumanizing of women, the simplistic reduction of social skills, the fantasy that women are all constantly trolling for one night stands and have no emotional side to even satisfy—that’s all true of course.

Worse/Funnier is that they blame their looks for their lack of success with women, as if the smell of anger, insecurity, and hate wasn’t more than enough to scare away anybody. But most of them don’t have the awareness to even know that people give off vibes or make a social impression, because they don’t have the social instinct themselves to know this.

OmletteTurtleDove
OmletteTurtleDove
7 years ago

The irony of course is that these PUA hate guys are more misogynistic and hate filled towards women than the “real” PUAs, some guys that get into gaming women learn things about women and more importantly themselves and come out with a better world view than they had before. These PUAhate mothafvckers just sit around in a puddle of thier own tears and semen, bitching about how “women only want kids to fulfil their narcissistic desires” at least the genuine PUAs are doing “something” about their unforfilling predicament, instead of just moaning.

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