So @catches_stars on Twitter is pretty hilarious. She’s also got an OkCupid account, and regularly posts snippets of her conversations with some of the more problematic dudes who contact her, some on her main Twitter account and some on @okcupid_TXT. With her permission, and because I’m too lazy to actually write a post today, I’m passing along a few of my favorites.
This overeager fellow has a rather sudden change of heart when his stated plan runs into an obstacle, that obstacle being that @catches_stars finds him completely repulsive.
This guy is either totally high or trying some weird and misguided PUA wizardry on her. (It does not succeed.)
This foot-obsessed fellow spammed her with the same message from several different accounts.
This guy, who seems to be shirtless in his profile pic, gets what I assume is, to him, a very disappointing answer.
As does this fellow.
Romance is hard.
Now I’m imagining David’s entrance like this.
hellkell – don’t forget the theory of apartheid!
Most people have not quoted any books on the game or PUA concepts, instead, rather than just get links with references to actual elements of the game, people started with personal attacks.
ithiliana has provided links which directly challenge game concepts, which is what should have been posted in the first place.
It is not just you.
Martyn: do you have any “theories” on why you’re not really in a position to dictate what should or shouldn’t happen here?
I think being willfully obtuse is a lifestyle choice with this one.
@Martyn
What should have been done in the first place is for you to shut up and listen more. Now, what should be done is for you to fuck off. Fucking off is itself practical.
If we write and publish autobiographies in hard cover, will we be allowed to talk about our actual experiences again?
@whataboutthemoonz:
I came here to want to learn, and I did learn plenty regarding the feminist perspective on MRAs, plenty in fact. I also received a nice guide on terminology for understanding the LGBT and transgender/transsex communities.
There’s a difference with this argument though in that a lot of people dodged challenging the game entirely and proceeded to throw out personal attacks. That’s intellectually dishonest!
I’m not here to troll whatsoever. I’m here to have a decent discussion on issues which people bring up. I didn’t mention the game, someone else did. But hey, if people are going to get personal over theory which can be applied in many different ways, then how can anyone learn anything?
Aw yes Game. Many books have been written about it and thousands of blog posts posted. I can sum up Game in 5 points: 1) workout 2) dress sharp 3) have an agreeable and fun personality 4) take an interest in lots of things and 5) don’t be a spineless wimp. Oh and a bonus 6) Go after what you want (friends, dating, career, health, etc…).
There! just saved everyone a bunch of money they don’t have to spend on useless PUA nonsense. Now take that grand you were going to spend on a “bootcamp” and get yourself a gym membership/equipment, some fitted clothes and a few books on topics you never read about.
@hellkell
I think that what Martyn wants is for us to sit down like we are all in an intro level course and cite the texts. He doesn’t seem to realize that this is not an intro level class and we can all discuss Plato without citing chapter and verse first. Everyone is already supposed to be familiar with the basic concepts and to demonstrate advanced understanding.
I have actually met students like him, but they never brought the attitude outside the classroom. (Thank FSM.)
All this blather about theory … kid, do you not grasp* that
1) your take on the theory is crap. It’s been shown already from REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE that game is about manipulation that escalates all the way to rape.
2) all you have to do is read links to it yourself (like, y’know, the shit that Jeffries creature wrote and Myoo posted right here)
3) even if you were right about the theory, it DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is how it is put into practice, and how it affects people.
Are you really saying your claims about books matter more than what this shit does?
Or is it just that you spent ££££££££££££££££££££ on these books and now have to justify it?
We’re here to mock misogyny.
You stumbled in this thread by saying that iPhone users are dumb, and that Game is peachy. You failed to back up either.
“I came here to want to learn”
LOL No you didn’t. Do you think everyone is so dense and forgetful that they have no idea what things you have said? Not a single statement you have made indicated a willingness to learn.
He wants only to teach us! Why must we be so hard-headed!
Teaching emotional ladies is itself practical.
Cloudiah: Your wish is my command.
Do e books or paperback count? I don’t think mine will be in hardcover. 🙁
Some Gal: yeah, he clearly cannot read the site header. Or simply sit quietly and read old threads before making a flaming jackass out of himself.
@Martyn
We covered this umpteen times already.
By listening and asking questions if you get lost. You misunderstood a post, answered a question that wasn’t asked, people got understandably upset, you doubled down on answering the unasked question. Just admit you were wrong and shut up.
Shutting up is itself practical. (Still funny, btw.)
No, you did not.
You approach everything by assuming that you are right to begin with and then shoot down everyone who says something that goes against your assumptions. That’s not how someone who wants to learn acts. That’s how someone who thinks they know everything and wants to teach everyone else what they know acts.
And, while you claim that you are not ignoring me, you still haven’t answered my question: Why haven’t you stopped doing any of the things I’ve told you to stop?
@hellkell
At what point did I try to dictate? Unless you haven’t got a mind of your own, that’s a pretty redundant statement.
@Kitteh
When it comes to threats; sometimes I honestly don’t know what to believe when it comes to threats – I’ve seen claims from both sides of doxing and threats. But it’s a good suggestion nonetheless.
Apartheid is not a theory, it’s the practical implementation and application of racial segregation. There are sociological theories which were used to justify it, centered around how homogenous societies function better than heterogenous societies though.
(Really? Dude, really? I think you’re trolling me now! >_>)
@hellkell
Reading the site header is itself practical, while the mocking misogyny is a set of purposes governing how people should engage on this site.
katz: applause
I know Pierre has something of a backlog, but Martyn the muppet is well worthy of a comic.
I’m oppressing Martyn’s learning! Or would be, if that’s really what he came here for.
@katz
Sorry. I guess it’s because the personal attacks haven’t stopped and the personal attacks have not addressed the original arguments.
I lose respect over time for people who make personal attacks without merit when discussing abstract theory that is not in any form the actual application of said theory which harms people.
Honestly, I feel too sorry for him to do a comic about him. He’s not, it appears, miserable now, but he’ll Mr. Al in a few years and he’s too pig-headed for anyone to help him reach a different outcome.