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Yes, Martyn, FUCK OFF.

I believe it’s difficult to be anything but ableist when living in a capitalist society. Overall, I think people deserve the right to choose whether to bring someone into a world where they will be at such a severe disadvantage they’d encounter more suffering than joy. I know society has come a long way in terms of making the lives of severely disabled (“severely handicapped” to use the more precise term) more enjoyable, but there comes a point where potential parents must make a responsible, informed choice.

Your privilege and lack of knowledge is showing again, and damn, is it ugly.

@Martyn

What is more suffering than joy? Is being in pain every day to the point that you can’t leave the house more suffering than joy? How about if we add mental illness?

Fuck you are ableist.

I am aware of the term ‘ableist’, I do not believe anyone should be discriminated against for any disabilities they acquire. I believe it’s difficult to be anything but ableist when living in a capitalist society. Overall, I think people deserve the right to choose whether to bring someone into a world where they will be at such a severe disadvantage they’d encounter more suffering than joy. I know society has come a long way in terms of making the lives of severely disabled (“severely handicapped” to use the more precise term) more enjoyable, but there comes a point where potential parents must make a responsible, informed choice.

I spent a year working with both physically and mentally disabled people working at an IT-related charity which tried to provide their volunteer workers with a semblance of fair working life. Society doesn’t enough to provide more severely disabled people with an equivalent life to those who are more able IMHO.

You are aware that there are various forms of dis-ability (as in, differing from the ‘norm’, if there’s a better, non-pejorative term that encompasses both physical and mental, I’ll be happy to accept correction) that are hardly ‘severe’, but still affect people on a day to day basis, right?

So say a day comes when tests can be run to show if a child is going to suffer from any sort of dis-ability. I have a hard time believing even the best tests are going to be able to tell if something will be a minor problem or a major one.

And technology keeps progressing, and making more and more things livable with. If I didn’t have access to spell check, a lot of my writing would be look really foolish, as I have mild dislexia. Pre-spellcheck days, I’d never have been able to consider a writing-based profession, even though my meta-ability to write is good.

He’s still here, and still fucking that chicken? What an asshat.

That makes abortions due to genetic disease a net win for society.

See. Right there. Despite framing eugenics as some personal choice, you just pointed out the societal justifications for it.THATS the fundamental impulse that leads turns all of eugenics from “personal breeding strategy” to “engine of inhuman oppression.”

It’s also why we think you’re a worthless waste of sperm.

But you know, let’s come at the abortion angle from a totally different standpoint: feminism.

“Women should be able to choose whether or not they have a child.” That’s it. No societal judgement, no faux objective viewpoint (hell, you haven’t even explained why less children with Down Syndrome is actually a good thing for society. I’d love to hear your explanation, because I’m sure it’ll show just how black your shrivelled little heart really is).

It doesn’t judge whether the child is good for society; doesn’t assume it’ll be “better” just because it’s white straight, cis, male, neurotypical and physiotypical. The ability to care for a child with special needs simply one of many possible reasons to have, or not have a child.

No eugenics required.

@hellkell: Show how, or it’s just a meaningless assertion.

@pseudo_star_17

To give an example, a lot of racists who want to use the n-word (without being called racist) say “well, the ORIGINAL DEFINITION doesn’t say what race blah blah.” But any dictionary that gives only a semantic definition of racial slurs, without mentioning how demeaning they are, is giving an incomplete and IMbalanced definition, misleading people into thinking “it’s just a word”. It’s erasure and minimization and semantics, which let lazy-thinking, armchair philosophers pretend they are above the real world applications/history of the theories they discuss.

And then there’s a lot of people who discuss the “n-word” in it’s original terms and use it when describing oppressed black people at the time. To give an example, Quentin Tarantino isn’t a racist.

The definition is separate from the use.

You’re a privileged, ignorant, entitled asshole, Martyn. I feel bad for all women, POC, people with disabilities, LGBTQIA people who are unfortunate enough to have you in their lives.

Hardly ignorant, no-one else here has claimed to have read the source materials in the case of the game. Not reading the source materials then claiming better knowledge than someone who has, is ignorance.

P.S. I don’t think I’ve ever not gotten on with the above in general, everyday life. I treat people as equals and I don’t judge them for any perceived “privilege” they may have.

@leftwingfox

See. Right there. Despite framing eugenics as some personal choice, you just pointed out the societal justifications for it.THATS the fundamental impulse that leads turns all of eugenics from “personal breeding strategy” to “engine of inhuman oppression.”

That’s because making assertions without providing the justifications is pointless. Critical thinking 101.

“Women should be able to choose whether or not they have a child.” That’s it.

Based on the first quote, one could say that’s the fundamental impulse that turns abortion from “a medical necessity to protect potential parents and potential children from experiencing great suffering” to “a tool for disposing of unwanted children”. If you can’t see the logical flaws in what you’re saying, then I think yeah, I am definitely privileged (in having a brain that can discern theory and theoretical justifications from malevolent practices).

Hardly ignorant, no-one else here has claimed to have read the source materials in the case of the game. Not reading the source materials then claiming better knowledge than someone who has, is ignorance.</blockquote

Actually, I've read several versions of "How to Succeed with Women" from cover to cover. I've also read blog entries by Roosh and Roissy. I've also been hit on by many men attempting to use some of the tactics and techniques recommended by "game" gurus.

How many men have attempted to pick you up while practicing game theory?

Stupid block quotes.

Yeah, Martyn is a dipshit in theory and practice. He’s very lucky that extreme tediousness is not banworthy.

@Martyn

Once again because HOLY FUCK you are slow: your “source materials” are themselves biased. They are written by people who thought up/support game. Of course they are not going to present it in any way other than glowing terms so it sounds good on paper. (Otherwise men won’t buy their merchandise you clod).

Also: seconding the citation required for “Tarantino isn’t racist”. But beyond that (and that it’s a non sequitor) that example does not even work. Tarantino USING the n-word in his movies is a PRACTICE. And (giving him a huge benefit of doubt) it is done deliberately with knowledge of the negative implications of the word. It’s not theory, it’s practice. He’s not saying “well, since I’m using it in a movie describing things, the definition doesn’t matter”, he uses it BECAUSE the definition has such strong implications. Seriously, is it hard to be this stupid?

I don’t think I’ve ever not gotten on with the above in general, everyday life. I treat people as equals and I don’t judge them for any perceived “privilege” they may have.

Dude, oppressed people have tons of practice at tolerating ignorant bigots like you. And, from your position of privilege, it’s easy to ignore any microaggressions you make towards them. But again, my point is that I feel SORRY for people in those groups who have to be around you because of what a bigoted piece of shit you are. No one with any sense would want someone like YOU for an ally.

As for that second sentence, I bet you think being “color blind” in terms of race is something you can actually achieve.

Again, holy fuck, your stupidity is astounding.

@Martyn

I treat people as equals and I don’t judge them for any perceived “privilege” they may have.

No one (that I know of) judges people for “perceived”* privilege** they may have; we judige them for how they (ab)use that privilege.***

*asshat

**seriously, you are such an asshat putting that in quotations marks ESPECIALLY after the word perceived.

*** asshat