How would you define feminism in a sentence or two?
Wait, stop thinking, for Reddit’s ImissAOL has already provided a wonderfully concise and accurate definition:
I see modern feminism as the equivalent to letting your kids stay up all night eating ice cream.
He adds, helpfully:
Just because they feel they are getting their way doesn’t mean it is actually benefiting them.
Gosh, that’s not patronizing at all!
Sometimes doing this blog makes me hungry.
And, to actually understand what the stats are telling us, who do we think is doing the vast majority of the assaulting, sexual violence and rape on both men and women (and sorry to be binary – using the stats quoted)?
@kitteh:
Witchcraft! I think of an answer and my power goes out!
Here’s one: owningyourshit.blogspot.co.uk
That’s the blog of most reasonable MRA I know of online in terms of the content she produces. If your challenge was to think of a *male* MRA online, then yeah, you’ve got me there. I’ll be honest, I don’t know any blogs or websites owned by any notable male MRAs online where I haven’t disagreed with a sizeable portion of their rhetoric.
But I do happen to know men offline that consider themselves to be MRAs (who also consider themselves to be feminist allies), so there are reasonable MRAs. So I know it’s possible for MRAs to exist that don’t act inherently misogynistic.
@cloudiah:
That article is hilarious. In an economy that relies on communication and thinking over physical strength, nerds are excelling… This is because the job market is better suited for nerds, and the idea that jocks are more competitive than nerds has all but disappeared…… I can only dream….
I also hate this idea that the solution to Feminist/MRA disagreements are for the two sides to get together and have a chat.
Fuck no. It wouldn’t work. MRAs are not listening. That’s why they say shit like women are “freaking begging” to be raped, like Elam, or that pleasing men’s penises “raises women above livestock” like TyphonBlue.
Fuck that. They’re regressive, anti-feminist shitheads who need to expurgate their crania from their colons and make a long list of apologies before we can even begin to ponder discussion as equals.
WOTN, try searching “GirlWritesWhat” in the box on the sidebar here at Manboobz before you call her “reasonable” again.
I don’t know how anyone can watch GWW speak and not immediately notice that she has issues. That woman looks like she’s at that simmering rage point where someone might go postal at any moment, and she looks that way all the time.
Of course it’s GirlWritesWhat. Of course it is.
I still stand by my previous assertion that she is the absolute most harmful of the whole gang.
aka Things that never happened
Come on, guys, can’t we just see both sides? Sure, MRAs claim most rapes are actually false accusations from vindictive bitches, but feminists think it’s okay to call men creeps when they refuse to take no for an answer! We all need to shoulder our share of the blame.
@cloudiah
Just like how I need more information before I can decide if I’m human or not. I thought I was, but some people say women aren’t. How to decide?
I wonder how many of the men who consider themselves feminist allies are considered allies by feminists. Perhaps it’s a similar proportion as those men who say “No, really, I love women …” are not misogynists?
Greta another twit who wants to look at “both sides.” Well, twit, one side (MRAs) does not think the other (women) is fully human, so fuck that noise.
Of course you think GWW is reasonable, you’re not very bright.
^ men known to Wotn, I mean …
Nerd, every country has different laws regarding parental leave. Here in the U.S., for example, we have no mandatory parental leave for either mothers or fathers. Here’s a simplified breakdown by country:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/lab_par_lea_pai_mat_lea-labor-parental-leave-paid-maternity
Paternity leave is a great idea and fathers should definitely have more freedom to take care of their kids. I hope you aren’t just trying to argue that it’s okay for women to be discriminated against in the workplace as long as men also get screwed in some way. Neither of those things should be allowed to stand.
I need ice cream after reading all that.
Sicilian kiss – seriously lush.
@Viscaria:
The UK Home Office sampled cases in 2005 and based on their raw data of recorded rape accusations, 8% of accusations were considered to be false allegations (with a estimated maximum of 9% and minimum of 3%). That’s a scary percentage but it is blown out of proportion by most MRAs. [Even the most pessimistic exaggerator would not likely go as far as to say potentially 1 in 10 accusations are false.]
@titianblue: My litmus test: Can’t deny patriarchy without the result being “let’s not talk about this”? Actively calls out men on even tacit sexism? Will not stand for women being referred to as bitches even casually? Yeah, that’s someone who’s likely also considered an ally by feminists. (Bonus points: States that most MRAs use the label as a cover for blatent misogyny)
Thanks pal.
9_9
Nerd, I don’t think you’re really qualified to answer titianblue’s question, for a host of reasons.
@WaroftheNerd
Is that percentage false accusations against a person or just false claims of rape? It makes a big difference if no one will ever be even questioned as in the latter cases, don’t you think?
Hey you guys, calling people bitches is fine as long as you do it casually. And tacit sexism isn’t really worth calling out. I mean, as long as you’re polite about it, you can think anything you want to, right? It doesn’t make you a bad person unless you’re explicitly sexist.
Gosh, for someone who’s trying to see both sides of the issue, this one sure has all the MRA talking points and statistics at his fingertips.
It’s Stoner part 2.
They’re deluded if they really believe this two sides nonsense. He probably thinks every opinion he has is valid and should be aired.
If you mean aired in the sense that one might air out a room that smells musty then sure, that seems like a good idea. I’m just not sure why he thinks anyone else wants to come over and take in the slightly stinky breeeze.
@Some Gal Not Bored at All:
Well, the report doesn’t seem to separate false allegations which proceeded from those that didn’t, so it’s possible that out of the 8% of classified false allegations, some of them may not have been false, the police may have just assumed them to be false. Bad policing can work both ways. It may look cynical but under different counting rules (looking at admitted false allegations) the result is 3%.
To quote: “There were 216 cases classified as false allegations: as a proportion of all 2,643 cases reported to the police this amounts to 8 per cent; as a proportion of the 1,817 cases not proceeding beyond the police stage it is 12 per cent. In only six of these cases was there evidence of anyone being arrested, and in only two cases were charges laid, although there were at least 39 named suspects. ” (Google hors293.pdf if you want to see the report, it’s based on UK crime stats from 2005)
@katz: I have a habit of reading too much stuff. I look at both sides and wonder why decent feminists and decent MRAs don’t collaborate to catalyse the process of working towards true equality.