How would you define feminism in a sentence or two?
Wait, stop thinking, for Reddit’s ImissAOL has already provided a wonderfully concise and accurate definition:
I see modern feminism as the equivalent to letting your kids stay up all night eating ice cream.
He adds, helpfully:
Just because they feel they are getting their way doesn’t mean it is actually benefiting them.
Gosh, that’s not patronizing at all!
Sometimes doing this blog makes me hungry.
@Argenti
I meant danger to self counting. I figured it wouldn’t. I may or may not be staying on bipolar meds because of the danger-to-self side-effect and waiting to see if the fibromyalgia drug (that is the reason I went back on bipolar meds) makes it worth it. So, that is why I said temporary.
I am fine with you calling us crazies. I’ll start trying to remember what happened to those bootstraps… 🙂
The total lack of self-awareness would be cute in a kitten. Less so in a 22 year old.
@Martyn
Don’t worry about continuing the conversation. I would still love to hear any response you might have. It is okay to admit you don’t know something. (Just please don’t admit you don’t know and proceed to make guesses. I’d rather explain something than do that and counter something.)
Also, you can call me Some Gal if you want. I hope it is okay that I’ve been calling you Martyn.
Oh hi Freud! I meant sorry if the term bothers you. Sorry Some Gal, I apparently just fail today.
“@Argenti Aertheri: Interesting way to look at it. I wonder how it works if someone starts out as mother and then changes gender with full surgery but prior to being a parent was fine with being female…”
Back in 5~ with trans* 101 resources. Short version is that it is exceedingly rare for non-cis people to be “fine” with being their biological gender…that disconnect is kind of important.
Also, starts out a mother, has GRS, but prior to being a parent was fine being female…wtf? Let’s assume for arguments sake that there are trans* people who have GRS (related surgeries) that were once fine with their biological gender, and then had surgery, and then became parents…why would a FtM trans* person decide to be called a mother?!
I’m getting the feeling you’re new to trans* issues, and thus I’ll return with resources.
Crazed Bootstraps was their name before the great band split of ’75, when they became Pelvic Tilt.
Good grief. Even without knowing squat about trans* issues, if someone was “fine with being female” they wouldn’t BE getting reassignment treatment/surgery! It’s not like saying “Nah, don’t feel like wearing a skirt today, I’m gonna pinch the hubby’s jeans.”
@The Kittehs’
And now I’m crooning those two lines you quoted to myself. Sadly, they aren’t remotely the worst lyrics I’ve ever heard.
I liked Pelvic Tilt’s second album, “Spines Aligned,” but was disappointed in the love song “Kneed You.”
All the puns!
I found a trans* 101 good enough that I had to read all of it to confirm it really is that good, and it is — http://www.ohio.edu/lgbt/resources/trans101.cfm
@Martyn, before you continue blithely creating hypothetical scenarios, just stop. What for you is just an interesting abstract idea may be the deeply-felt reality and experience of someone’s life, here.
“It’s not like saying “Nah, don’t feel like wearing a skirt today, I’m gonna pinch the hubby’s jeans.””
Surgery wise, yeah, that’s entirely correct. Trans* related things wise…generally presenting as female, feeling like presenting male today, grab the hubby’s jeans… Though I’ve seen more generally presenting male/androgynous, feeling female today, grab a skirt (probably because skirts are coded feminine while pants are generally seen as gender neutral)
I’m above trans* 101 here and going to can it. I feel like more complicated things will just confuse the simpler things. (Also, I’m jealous of Mr. K’s gender neutral heels!)
Stop makin’ me laugh, my osteo did all of that last night!
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Argenti – I’ll drop it too, I’m in “I know nuthin’ and should can it” territory here as well.
I think Mr K is happy having a partner shorter than him now. He just wears half-inch heels these days!
Cowboy boots, mmm …
Is it wrong that I find the idea of a French king in cowboy boots to be absolutely hilarious?
Depends … are you thinking “with jeans and knitwear” or a la the Naked Cowboy? 😉
::Sir, sitting in chair, stretches leg, looks contemplatively at boot, asks “Why is this hilarious?”
SEE HE’S READING THIS SITE
😉
@The Kittehs’
I am afraid he may always be naked on a horse after the naked statue discussion. (Can’t see anything, blocked by the horse fwiw.) I may have to slide some cowboy boots on my mental image now.
Um, the former, thinking the latter about your partner would just be rude!
And what’s so funny? Cowboy boots are basically *the* status marker for poor southerners, then again, the classist American view on cowboy boots may be culturally limited. Either way, could always say that they’re “ironic”, it’d work with “hobo chic” being a runway thing (last year? the year before?)
Whoops, sorry Some Gal, wasn’t trying to imply that you’re rude. Just my personal definition of modesty there!
Thanks, Argenti! 🙂
Don’t make me go to the rude corner! All the trolls there will eat me!
Dammit, you owe me a cup of coffee now! 😀
See, cowboy boots don’t have those social markers here, except maybe giving C&W fans the side-eye for being SO immersed in something so American. Apart from that, to me they’re just good-looking boots (woefully uncomfortable for me, but they weren’t designed for walking). Plus they’re more or less the descendents of the heavier-duty riding boots from Mr’s time, so they have that connection.
Hey, I don’t mind if people have naughty thoughts about him. I’ve quite a few friends who’d like to jump his bones if he were available. (He’s not bothered, either – bemused, but not bothered!)
@Some Gal: I’m fine with whatever you wish to call me 🙂 I should probably do some more research on the area of father’s rights; since all I know is about the major organisations and what they promote but I do not know enough about the potential sociological effects or how the aims of father’s rights groups would affect feminism or the society-driven gender binary directly.
@Argenti Aertheri: Thanks for the link. The glossary of terms alone is very useful (I now know the inoffensive term for someone with both sex organs).
@titianblue: Okay, sure. If what I’ve said has caused any offence or upset then I apologise whole-heartedly. I would like to know how does one discuss unfamiliar issues without hypothetical examples or a theory as a reference point? I’m more than up for finding a less offensive or a more sensitive way to discuss different subjects while still receiving answers that satisfy the original idea/question.
Please don’t do that research at MRA sites, mkay? You’re at a university; consult the library.
@Argenti: after the election Owly melted down. For a while he was posting some real poison, and then David stopped letting his posts through, and then he gave up on manboobz.
I didn’t think he was capable of that.
If you’re willing to consider a critical, scholarly view of the father’s rights movement, I would look for articles by M. (Molly) Dragiewicz. She’s written a lot on the topic for peer reviewed journals.
Owly actually gave up harassing the regulars? Like, for good? That’s both amazing and unbelievable, but let’s not jinx it!
He isn’t like, idk, off firebombing courthouses or anything?
@Martyn
The sociological effects might be hard to find, but good luck! I would be very interested in what you find. You might be able to make some guesses from the historical instances where men were given sole custody of children most of the time.
Feminism is very much in favor of both (or all applicable) parents being involved in their children’s lives and sharing that responsibility equitably even after changes in the relationship(s) between parents. As society changes ideas of mothers and fathers and what makes a parent, courts will also change. They have changed a lot in the last 50 years.
MRA sites regularly exaggerate (or make up) statistics. Check their claims out for yourself. At least in the US, most men who want custody, get it. Many men don’t want custody of their children. MRAs include men who didn’t want custody when they count men denied custody. These differences matter.