Mocking misogyny: It’s not just for the present day. Here, from 1915, a pointed parody of misogynistic anti-Suffrage arguments by writer/poet Alice Duer Miller. (Note to extremely literal-minded MRAs: She was not actually advocating that men have the vote taken away from them. Nor are we.)
You can find many more examples of Miller’s sharp wit in her 1915 collection Are Women People? The whole thing is available online and in various ebook formats on Project Gutenberg.
Graphic via Roqayah Chamseddine (@iRevolt on Twitter).
I’m sorry, what was the conversation supposed to be about again?
New blog post!
*No, that’s not what the conversation was about. 😉
I don’t really do recipes I just add things till the batter looked right. It works so whatever. I’m sorry for you loss.
BTW, on Diogenes whole ‘there is no Patriarchy, you must be ready to abandon your beliefs.’
Dude.
Duuuude.
So, um, I’ve mentioned my upbringing as a rightwing fundie, right? Have I mentioned that I actually haven’t managed to make a clean break from my family yet? That I still pretend to be all religious and do all that stuff to avoid the huge case of shunning coming my way? No? That’s because I feel like a fucking coward because of it.
Yeah.
But the thing is, I spent the weekend at a religious conference.
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING SPEECH WAS ABOUT HOW TO GET WOMEN BACK IN THE KITCHEN.
Oh, maybe not outright. It’s about men leading! Being spiritual heads of their household! Being knights! Being strong! Etc.
Big conference. Dudes as far as the eye can see. (not that big, but for the area, big enough that it has a wide geographical reach)
I’ve been to this Tuesday-night meeting that Diogenes scoffs at. I’ve been there. I’ve been going to it my whole life. I’ve been the agent of the Patriarchy, the jack-booted thug explaining to women why they can’t lead, can’t do theology, can’t be part of the sphere of ‘important things.’
And it seemed perfectly natural, normal and right until fairly recently.
So, Cynic, I put your challenge back to you. What evidence would you accept?
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And on a completely different note, food insecurity. OMG. So I’m a professional, fairly successful. (sometimes I wish I could come here and post and read more often, but I have to zip off to work presently)
But I grew up working-class poor. Dad worked construction. Y’all probably know what that means. It means off-season we had to rely on unemployment and food stamps. It means that these days I hoard food, because that little voice in the back of my head is sure that when the cupboards go bare we aren’t going to be able to refill them, so we can never, ever allow the cupboards to be anywhere near bare. It means I have a secret stash of snack food where nobody else can find it, just in case.
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@emilygoddess–dittoing what everybody else said.
Howard, its funny that you mention “the cupboards must never be bare, or else”. I’ve kept the same quirk, and man do I get antsy when the food starts running low…
Diogenes, go and read the MRA and Christian movements. They spell it out pretty clearly, what they think of women. They speak often and long about what needs to be done to make women stay in our place. They spell out very clearly what should happen to women who step out of line. Personally, I’d be happy if these types of men ONLY talked this shit on Tuesdays. That would be one day out of the week women, gay people and transexuals could walk about and live our lives a little more freely.
I’m sorry for your loss, emilygodess.
@Howard: I have food issues too. I have to have food in my pantry and food in my car. My issues have a lot to do with as a child not having enough food.
@emily – I’m sorry for your loss. This is a pretty awesome and easy chocolate cake recipe, if you’re still looking for some chocolate recipies. I recently made it for my gram’s birthday and it was pretty awesome. http://www.tasteofhome.com/Recipes/One-Bowl-Chocolate-Cake
As far as Diogenes goes, I can only say, thanks dude, for demonstrating why allies are important. But to answer your question, no, the only people who complain about societal issues are not necessarily those directly impacted by those issues. Not everyone in the world is a totally self-absorbed asshole (which I know is really hard to imagine since you are one). For example, I care a great deal for my gay friends who can’t legally get married yet in my state, even though I’m not gay. People care about other people! Totally whacky, right?
Howard, please accept your prize of one internet.
RE: emilygoddess
I’m sorry for your loss. Sucks ass.
RE: howardbann1ster and pillowinhell
Heh. If I have too much food, I get fucking twitchy. (What have I done to DESERVE this food? Food is for OTHER people.) And Howard, I’ve been in the stuck with family situation. It sucks. My condolences.
emilygoddess — sorry for loss, but I haven’t any easy chocolate recipes (besides the easiest, buy chocolate, unwrap/open, eat chocolate)
Semi-related to the food discussion // FYI — it’s eating disorder awareness week. Which I mention more because y’all are the awareness spreading types than because I think you need a dose of awareness (am I making any goddamned sense? I need to balance my coffee with some whiskey)
MOAR WHISKEY!
“I’d like to hear what kind of evidence would change you mind, D. I’ll look for your answer when I get back. I’m going jogging (TO COMPENSATE FOR MY FAILED DIETZ!!11!) Have fun with the pinyata, y’all.”
-Zanana The Pegging Queen
I would agree to patriarchy existing if there was a centralized campaign to marginalize women. The pre-suffarage era institutionalized only men having a say in government, for example. I’m not as quick to say that social institutionalization counts though. Only men can be masons, (or freemasons, or whatever they call themselves) but men created the organization, and there’s nothing preventing women from creating a similar organization for themselves.
But without evidence of such a campaign, I am just not willing to agree to the concept.
“You’re kidding, surely. Have you never heard someone complain about injustices that affect other people? Or even ones that affect the group they belong to, though said injustice might not have hit them?”
-The Kittehs
I have a few friends who grew up in South Africa. They’re white, and they remember apartheid. They disagreed with it, but apartheid didn’t make them bitter. Now, the people it affected? I’m sure some of them were or are bitter.
Shut up, Diogenes.
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Well thats interesting. It seems that without a definition, you can warp “patriarchy” to mean whatever you want it to.
Otherwise, you’re complaining about the actions of individuals. Other people can be annoying, but similarities between them does not constitute a conspiracy against you.
Shut uo.
Did they DO anything about apartheid? Were they jailed? Shot at? Tortured? Had family members killed?
Go away, you ninny.
Some Gal, I’m not some kind of friendless troglodyte.
These are my close friends.
Oh, is that what that sound was I thought I heard a bratty kid outside chanting “me me listen to me me I’m really special me me me why is nobody paying attention to me me me me you all suck” over and over again.
Well I have a cousin who grew up in South Africa. She is white and she was active against apartheid to such an extent that she was blacklisted by the then government. Since she had dual UK nationality and sufficient funds, she was privileged enough to be able to leave the country for a while when things got too hot for her. Some of her less privileged friends were “disappeared”. She went back at the first possible moment that she could and you can bet that she is bloody bitter about how apartheid affected other people.
Go away, little boy. No here wants or needs your “thought” pellets messing up the carpet.
“Racist much?
And apparently only rich, thin, attractive people can have valid opinions. You heard it here first.”
-Titan Blue
Its not inaccurate to assume most Mongolian speakers are Mongolian, or that most Russian speakers are from Russia.
And I don’t know where you got that second half. Any supported opinion is a valid one.
I wouldn’t know. If you’re as annoying and obnoxious elsewhere as you are here, I’d say you are a friendless troglodyte.
Assumes facts not in evidence.
(Too cliched?)