Over at The Spearhead, the boys are thinking about tomorrow – to be more specific, about the year 2020, the date at which an MRA calling himself The Fifth Horseman predicted in an eccentric online manifesto that a convergence of forces would lead to the popping of what he calls “the misandry bubble,” and that the ensuing gender apocalypse would put the uppity ladies of the world firmly in their place.
In a post, Spearhead head boy W.F. Price notes that “cliodynamicist” Peter Turchin is also predicting big changes around 2020 (though unlike The Fifth Horseman, Turchin doesn’t base any part of his theory on the development of super-hot Virtual Reality sexbots). This naturally inspires the assembled Spearheaders to start scratching their own crystal balls, enthralled with visions of a future Armageddon that forces the ladies to come crying to them for forgiveness.
Jay R, a sort of apocalyptic deficit hawk, blames the ladies for the US government’s big debts:
Government has acted as though economic principles don’t apply to it — borrowing can increase forever without significant consequence. Riiiiiiiiight. And let’s not forget that the bulk of government debt and spending is a transfer of resources from men to women. It is primarily women who owe this debt. Will they be able to repay it? Only with massive devaluation of the currency.
And then he imagines women owing men a whole other sort of debt, which he has simply made up, and predicts that this debt will come crashing down on women’s heads – a notion that seems to give him a bit of a rage-boner:
Similarly, women’s social debt to men — the incalculable damages resulting from women’s wholesale breach of the social contract — is unsustainable, and when the crash comes, women’s tears will be bitter indeed. This is justice — but still regretable, if one thinks how things might have turned out if radical feminist hatred had not comandeered the process of compromise between the sexes.
True equality for women is on the horizon. When they finally are accorded the same treatment as men, and realize how far they have fallen — how much they themselves have been devalued as a sex — they will think themselves in hell.
Rod Van Mechelen of Backlash.com has an even more elaborate apocalyptic fantasy – although he’s a bit less certain about its outcome being a good one for men. In this portion of a long comment, he speculates about a couple of possible (by which I mean completely and ludicrously impossible) outcomes:
Demographically, the relative value of fecund females is set to go hyperbolic by 2020, when insane policies in Asia and the Subcontinent will manifest a shortage of women of child bearing age. In the past, when war has created a shortage of men, peace and prosperity were the result. What will happen when we have a shortage of women? Will we see a rise in female power, with matriarchies like the ones in Robert Heinlein’s classic, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? Will we see rampant homosexuality and mandatory sexual servitude for women, as in J. Neil Schulmann’s The Rainbow Cadenza?
Uh, I think I’m going to go with “none of the above.”
Prolific MRA commenter and regular A Voice for Men contributor Keyster predicts (surprise, surprise!) economic collapse and riots in the streets.
[W]hen the money runs out and California becomes Greece, the federal government will step in with “emergency funds” and National Guard troops…a federal government that continues to borrow abroad to sustain itself. Do you see the snake eating it’s tail yet? And we have to wonder why there’s a nationwide shortage of guns and ammo?
Naturally, the rioters will be black.
If you thought inner city blacks were angry over Rodney King, just wait until they become desperate for food. Asian shop owners will be over-run in days, further distribution to these war zones will cease – and they’ll branch out to the tony suburbs seeking sustinence and easy prey. Drones will be called in to contain the rovering marauding gangs.
Keyster predicts that all these scary riots will lead the (presumably non-black, non-rioting) ladies to start batting their eyelashes at big strong (presumably non-black, non-rioting) men.
Men will notice a decided shift in women’s once hostile attitude towards them. “Can I get you a sandwhich honey?” “Are you thirsty?” “Need a back rub?”
They will be actively engaged in seeking out male protectors and openly using sexual allure to attract them as mates. Men are so much better at defending themselves from bad guys, so you’ll want one with you if you’re a woman.
Greyghost, meanwhile, imagines that the anti-uppity-female effects of an economic collapse will be enhanced by … the development of a male birth control pill. (You may need to read this one slowly; Mr. Ghost is not what you’d call a great communicator.)
[L]et’s say a male birth control pills comes out before cold fusion or some other extender of government wealth. What happens when even a coward to stand up to the femine imperative knows this misandry is unsustainable and figures out a male pill will maybe cause a correction while he still can be a coward. A woman without child is a worker drone and not eligible for entitlements.The US may look like China with low wage factories full of female workers with male mechanics/technicians keeping the machines running.
What is really funny and would be interesting to check out. Knowing women from reading and discussing female nature with you all here in the manosphere in general with the male pill being a pleasant wife might be the herd status symbol of the future. Take civil unrest combined with poor economic opportunities with men having the finale say so on who gets pregnant or not and we have a new status symbol.
Like Keyster, who once boasted on The Spearhead of dating a 14-year-old when he was 25, Greyghost seems enamored of relatively weak and dependent gals:
Next to a dog female fear is a mans best friend. Fearful insecure women tend to be more polite and pleasant to those around her.
Dream on, guys. Dream on.
joanimal — I just looked up that pharyngula piece and I think the BS at the beginning might be sarcasm. If I’m reading the rig piece, it starts with horrorific levels of BS/sarcasm but ends with this —
She was five years old. He got less than a year in prison for her torture-rape-murder.
I have to wonder…is the oil really worth it?
Argenti,
yes that is the correct story.
Please don’t judge PZ too harshly, His feminism appears to me to be genuine and heartfelt. I was put off by his sarcasm as well in this article, but we all have our own coping methods when dealing with horrors, especially those sanctioned by authority.
To me this still comes back to are these MRAs real? How can anyone look at societies and not notice that where vioilence against women and children is spoken of, violence against women and children occurs. It is not a freaking accident.
joanimal — I think MRAs and their ilk have a fundamental disconnect from the rest of us — they see the same, but think that violence against women and children occurs because it is spoken of and shunned. That is, men get more violent when shunned for “minor” acts of violence (eg every time an MRA claims that being allowed to slap wives would prevent beating them)
Whereas the rest of us see it as things that had been hidden being spoken about and made public — not a change in rates of violence, but in reporting. (And, of course, the silly obvious fact that it’s be weird to be talking about violence that didn’t occur, so duh there’s violence against women and children when it’s spoken of…tautology is tautological)
Oh and regarding PZ, I agree that the article seems genuine, I’m just off put by sarcasm that could have violent people agreeing with it. It’s probably a matter of taste though.
Define “real”. Do some of them really believe the things they say? Apparently so. Are they capable of doing much damage politically? Probably not, but possibly if governments don’t really know who they are and accept them as just a group working with, say, male victims of domestic violence. Are they capable of influencing others to do violent things on a more case by case basis? Yep.
The last scenario is where all small groups of internet political warriors are most dangerous, imo.
I wouldn’t mind living in a treehouse, were it weatherproof. I have such a low-furniture existence that the only tough bit would be the mattress. JUST AS LONG AS THE ROOM WAS A RECTANGLE. No more triangles for me!
And oh, Dragon. Yes, sweetie, the commenters here HATE gay men. That’s why I’m so loathed.
Also, random, but the TV here just has Hitler being jabbed by demons with pitchforks. Without sound only makes it more surreal.
Yes, LBT, you are totally not liked and accepted here! It’s all a FRONT to confuse teh manly menz of teh MRM! XD
There’d be a worldwide glass shortage if their stupid was bottled.
I’m taking bets on ArksyDragon’s response to LBT’s comment about Manboobz and gay men being a rant about how evil women oppress gay men by being too friendly with them.
RE: Kittehs
You folks are damn good actors, that’s all I got to say.
I don’t roll my eyes at Dragon because he’s bi. I roll my eyes at Dragon because he’s a DOUCHE.
Personally, I prefer to loathe LBT with sparkles and candy.
I roll my eyes at him because he calls himself Dragon Slayer too. Slaying the fire-breathing dragon of feminist oppression!
RE: CassandraSays
That’d require him to actually ACKNOWLEDGE something anyone here has said. And trolls seem to have a history of completely forgetting my gender.
On the off-chance he DOES respond, I figure it’ll be more of, “They only do that to build a false impression!” (Never mind that I already went all through this with an MRA ages ago, and he caved and admitted there was no place in the movement for me.)
Remember the rant about buttered manatees checking out hot men at conventions? That’s totally the way he’s going to go. I’m waiting for him to suggest that yaoi should be banned as hate speech.
I thought ArksyDraggin’s bit about how he’d totally fuck women if we’d be “more respectable” was priceless. This from a bloke who finds some remarkably convoluted (if unoriginal) ways to express his loathing of women’s bodies.
That sound you hear is the women of the world weeping at the idea of being deprived of some dragon loving.
It’s so hard not to make “fuck you, I’m a dragon!” jokes every time he shows up, but not everyone would get it.
OT rhetorical question: If a cat who doesn’t approve of being cuddled sits still and purrs while being cuddled, are they:
1) Weakening
2) Indulging the human for a moment
3) Messing with your mind for the lulz
4) Furthering their Master Plan?
I think it’s
5) Too lazy to move
or 5) Luring you into their soon-to-be-sprung trap?
RE: CassandraSays
The men I know who like yaoi will be shocked, I’m sure. (And is bara okay or not okay by that logic? Gah, never mind, I can’t keep up with that crap.)
RE: Kittehs
I argue ‘indulging’ myself, but am not a long-term cat owner, merely a cat uncle.
If I wanted some dragon loving, it’d be this sort of dragon.
LOL I like 5). Both of ’em!
Of course with a cat it could be all of the above. Contradiction, why not? It confuses the humans more.
I would get it! But then I would have a sad, because apparently that guy was murdered 🙁
What?! OK, that joke isn’t funny any more, then.
Here’s the UFF writeup. Be warned, there were some ~edgy~ comments on FurAffinity about him deserving it, etc.
OK, this reply is laaaate, but hopefully you’re still reading Lumi!
lumi | February 18, 2013 at 9:04 pm
So, you guys are smart with animals, and LJ is not helping so I ask here: how do you encourage an elderly dog to eat more? Her teeth are fine, the vet says her bloodwork is excellent, but even when I put awesome treats at the bottom of her dish she still only eats half of what she used to (a recent development). She’s less active now that she’s old, but still losing weight. Her only other issue is she needs help sometimes with stairs. I’m very attached to her and it’s worrisome. (15 years old, labrador-border collie mix)
I don’t know any special sorry, but the things that come to mind are:
(a) if you’re not already, puppy food could be a good choice. Old dog food tends to be cut calorie – puppy food differs from adult food only in that it has a different calcium:phos ratio for growing bones, which makes no difference for adults, and has higher protein and fats, which is all good. Old dog food does tend to have joint supplements in it though so you’d want to add those yourself probably.
(b) making or buying some sort of gravy mix/anything yummy At 15 years old, if she’s losing weight, a bit of crap food that’s not good for her teeth isn’t going to matter nearly as much as getting her to eat. Something with lots of omega fatty acids would be good for her too, as well as possibly appealing.
(c) If you’re around, lots of small meals is good if she’s not comfortable to eat so much in a sitting. Even if you work all day but can offer her breakfast, then two meals at night spaced out it might help.
(d) What blood tests has your vet done? Generally for an old dog check we just do a series of 6 tests that basically test blood glucose, liver and kidney function. So they hit the main bases but there could be something else going on. Does your vet do a thorough hands-on exam?
(e) That said, it’s not uncommon for very old dogs to get a bit manky and not have the same appetite. If you can get her weight stable, even if she looks skinny, and she seems comfortable, I wouldn’t worry too much. It’s the way it goes when you’re 100 years old!
Good luck! Also, if you haven’t posted photos (I’m well behind here), please do. 🙂