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With courthouse violence on the rise, Men’s Rights activists continue to lionize the author of a terrorist manifesto urging men to burn down courthouses

Poster at a memorial for Tom Ball, an MRA who advocated burning down courthouses and police stations.
Poster at a memorial event for Tom Ball, an MRA who advocated burning down courthouses and police stations.

EDIT 6/15/13: Tom Ball’s manifesto is no longer posted on A Voice for Men, though it isn’t clear if this is a website glitch or a change in policy on AVFM’s part;  no announcement about taking it down has been made.

EDITED TO ADD: In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombing, it seems even more important to reinterate that influential Men’s Rights website A Voice for Men continues to host, in its “activism” section no less, a terrorist manifesto literally calling for the firebombing of courthouses and police stations. Until and unless that manifesto is removed, and A Voice for Men apologizes for hosting it, I will be linking to this post every time I mention A Voice for Men.

There has been another courthouse shooting. On Monday morning, the father of a man due in court for a child support hearing pulled out a semiautomatic handgun and shot his son’s ex wife and a friend of hers as they entered the lobby of the New Castle County Courthouse in Wilmington Delaware. After an exchange of gunfire with police that left two officers wounded, 68-year old Thomas Matusiewicz took his own life. The two women Matusiewcz shot were pronounced dead on arrival at a local hospital.

His son, David Matusiewcz, had earlier served time – an astonishingly short amount of time – for kidnapping his three girls and hiding out with them in Nicaragua for a year and a half. More details on the case here, here, and here; further news coverage here.

Unfortunately, despite increased security, violence in and around courthouses has been on the increase. There have been numerous courthouse shootings and other violent attacks across the country in recent months, from Texas to New York to Washington state. Sometimes the victims are family members; other times they’re prosecutors or judges.

A recent report published by the National Center for State Courts notes that

We live in a time when threats against judges and acts of violence in courthouses and courtrooms are occurring throughout the country with greater frequency than ever before. …  Individuals and groups have committed acts of violence in courthouses, often attempts to murder judicial officials, escape from custody, and disrupt or delay proceedings. Moreover, courthouses, which represent the ideals of democracy in American society, have become symbolic targets for antigovernment extremists and terrorists (domestic and international). …

In addition to shootings, bombings, and arson attacks, there have been knifings, assaults, failed bombing attempts, suicides, bomb plots, murder-for-hire conspiracies, and much more

While shootings tend to get the most media coverage, the report notes that “arson attacks, through the use of improvised incendiary devices, have increased in number and frequency.”

That’s why it’s so worrisome that A Voice for Men, the leading Men’s Rights site outside of Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, continues to host a terrorist manifesto urging Men’s Rights activists to literally burn down courthouses and police stations, even if doing so means that people are killed.

The manifesto, which I have written about several times previously, was written by a troubled man (and an admitted child abuser) named Tom Ball, who burned himself to death on the steps of a courthouse in New Hampshire in hopes that his death would inspire a wave of arson against courthouses and police stations. Dictionary.com defines terrorism as “the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.” And that is precisely what Ball’s manifesto advocates.

Here’s some of what he wrote, taken directly from the manifesto posted on AVFM. (I’ve put some of the more egregious passages in bold text.)

So boys, we need to start burning down police stations and courthouses. … the dirty deeds are being carried out by our local police, prosecutors and judges. These are the people we pay good money to protect us and our families. And what do we get for our tax money? Collaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War. All because they go along to get along. They are an embarrassment, the whole lot of them. And they need to be held accountable. So burn them out. …

You need to flatten them, like Wile E. Coyote. They need to be taught never to replace the rule of law. BURN-THEM-OUT!

Most of the police stations built in New England over the last 20 years are stone or brick. Fortunately, the roofs are still wood. The advantage of fire on the roof is that it is above the sprinklers. But even the sprinklers going off work to our advantage. There is no way they can work in a building with six inches of water. And I am certain we will disrupt their momentum once they start working out of a FEMA

At this point Ball’s manifesto is interrupted mid-sentence by  an “editor’s note” from the folks at AVFM:

Several paragraphs in this copy of Mr Ball’s original letter have been omitted. The omitted paragraphs contained detailed instructions on the manufacture and use of simple incendiary devices.

Yes, that’s right; Ball’s original manifesto included specific instructions for constructing effective Molotov cocktails, a pretty clear indication that there was nothing figurative about his calls to “burn them out,” and that Ball literally hoped that his death, and his manifesto, would encourage a wave of arson. Indeed, that it would be the start of a literal war of Men’s Rights Activists against the US government.

Ball made clear that this war, like all wars, would mean death for some people:

There will be some casualties in this war. Some killed, some wounded, some captured. Some of them will be theirs. Some of the casualties will be ours. …

I only managed to get the main door of the Cheshire County Courthouse in Keene, NH. I would appreciate it if some of you boys would finish the job for me. They harmed my children. The place is evil. So take it out.

AVFM doesn’t have this manifesto up as a historical curiousity. AVFM posts and comments have portrayed Ball as an Men’s Rights martyr, and the manifesto is listed in AVFM’s “activism” section. Apparently throwing Molotov cocktails through courthouse windows is a form of “activism.”

Now, the official stance of the AVFM crowd is that they don’t support such violence – that they’re just predicting that more of it will occur.

Site founder Paul Elam has written:

Thomas Ball represents a tragic, dysfunctional reaction to chronic, systemic abuse. There are many possible reactions. Some even worse than his. And while we cannot, must not, condone violence, we had better learn to expect it as long as an ideological war against men is allowed to make a battlefield in our justice system and within the heart of our own families.

Then why, Paul, do you feature his manifesto in your “activism” section, alongside a link to AVFM’s “Judicial Accountability Committee?” Why do you continue to lionize the man and treat him as a martyr?

In another post, Elam further explicated his most peculiar brand of “pacifism.” (Emphasis added.)

I am a pacifist. I do not advocate violence.  But I tell you this. The day I see one of these absolutely incredulous excuses for a judge dragged out of his courtroom into the street, beaten mercilessly, doused with gasoline and set afire by a father who just won’t take another moment of injustice, I will be the first to put on the pages of this website that what happened was a minor tragedy that pales by far in comparison to the systematic brutality and thuggery inflicted daily on American fathers by those courts and their police henchmen.

It would not even so much be a tragedy as the chickens coming home to roost. And it is certainly less of an indecency than the suicide of Tom Ball.

This is from a man who evidently considers himself some kind of 21st century Gandhi.

AVFM is not the only Men’s Rights site to lionize Ball; he’s been hailed by numerous MRAs, and his manifesto (in its entirely, including the Molotov cocktail portions) has been reposted all over the internet. Indeed, some MRAS have constructed an elaborate site memorializing him and his alleged heroism. A year after his death, Men’s Rights activists organized a “memorial” protest. He’s even been remembered in song.

Helen “Dr. Helen” Smith, a Men’s Rights advocate and sometime writer for the right wing PJMedia site, said this about his manifesto. (Emphasis added.)

His statement is not the ramblings of a madman, it is the mission of a warrior in some sense. He was fighting for his rights and for yours, if you are male. He was trying to bring some urgency to the male plight in this country, one that no one appreciates or cares about until they are engaged in the battle of the courts.

You can find more discussion and lionization of Ball by MRAs, Fathers’ Rights Activists and others here, here, here, here, here and here. A few minutes with Google will turn up numerous other examples.

Why do I continue to hammer on about Ball’s manifesto? Because so many in the Men’s Rights movement are motivated primarily by anger and hatred — of women, of feminists, and of those, like judges and police officers) that they see as feminist “quislings.” Because so many in the Men’s Rights movement – like the prolific writers and videomakers associated with AVFM – stoke this anger and hatred every chance they get.

It seems almost inevitable that at some point some especially angry and unbalanced Men’s Rights Activist will resort to violence – as MRAs like Elam have “predicted” again and again. (Indeed, we’re probably lucky that Ball did not choose to “take out” others before taking his own life.) This violence may well be directed against a judge or prosecutor or some other official seen as a feminist or feminist “collaborator.” When and if this violence occurs, no doubt the folks at AVFM will officially “lament” it – and then come up with elaborate explanations as to why it’s all really the fault of feminists. Indeed, in the posts of his I quoted above, Elam has already written what are in essence apologias for this violence, even before it has happened.

If the Men’s Rights movement wants to be seen as anything other than a hate group, MRAs need to stop lionizing the author of a terrorist manifesto, and they need to start criticizing those in their movement who make excuses for the violence that they so often warn us is inevitable.

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Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Cassandra — she mostly exists to dox trans* women, claim that trans* women are “pretendbians” (sp?) as a trans* woman cna’t be a lesbian, any trans* women trying to a bed a lesbian is a male rapist (I shit you not) and this is all tied to that “cotton ceiling” shit.

Also, she once pulled a John the Otter about an angry mob threatening her…and promptly dox’ed the trans* women in said “mob”.

I mean, she might be a big time TERf, but she sure as shit isn’t an important feminist in any good way.

David — I really don’t know, I read her policy once and spent a solid 10 min trying to figure out which side of her line in the sand I even fall on (funny if she wasn’t so threatening)

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

I kind of want to see the “they attacked me with scary weapons!” meltdown, just because it’s funny when people are overdramatic. But yeah – she seems like a genuinely awful person, but why MRAs think she’s an important feminist figure I’m not sure, other than that it would be convenient for them if she was.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Cassandra — the “high” lights — http://fucknoradfems.tumblr.com/post/25974432795/widdershinsgirl-askchangelgrace

And the whole 20 min video, hosted by the bug herself —

Yes, there is lots of yelling, yep, plenty of swearing, also NSFW, Brennan did a half attempt at covering her, but one of the women is topless (she’s un censored in the first link). Assault? Attack? Yeah maybe if you meant verbal…

And Brennan dox’ed a trans* woman I know via twitter, I am extra pissed at her currently. (Like, home address, twitter, email, the whole fucking nine yards) So fuck her “I don’t have a hit list”, she’s at least as bad as Elam.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

And if you can’t make out what Brennan said to cause the “that actually is sexual harassment” bit, the woman she said it to posted this — http://nutsandboltsoftrans.wordpress.com/2012/06/24/i-am-the-lady-who-cathy-brennan-sexually-harassed-at-dyke-march/

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Granted that I gave up early on because it’s not all that much fun watching people shout at each other, but I don’t see any “attack”, just a bunch of people shouting at each other.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

I googled Brennan a while ago and yeah, mind-bogglingly horrible.

Is a guantlet a glove fulla shit? That would also be apt for an MRA. Though it’d have to be a very big glove considering their apparently endless supply. IBS got nothin’ on this lot.*

*I have it, so I know whereof I speak!

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Listening to it while I patch my frankengloves with pecunium’s alpaca yarn (and apparently some of his hair, glad to see I’m not the only one who gets it in everything!). Around the 15 min mark we have Brennan claiming that calling women bigots for “recognizing that female and male are different, that is gaslighting”.

Yeah, calling trans* women women is gaslighting. Plus “because of my female socialization” [I] think you’re a predator. Yep, she went there (just after 16 min)

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Oh and I’m getting violently angry, I’m walking away now is some GOTCHA to Brennan.

And of course, claiming that trans* women try passing a dick off as a trans* clit and “it’s toxic to females” (hey, she’s almost right, all that shit about trans* women’s dicks is toxic to trans* women!)

Just past 18 min for those who really need to hear that.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I should stop hitting post, because 30 seconds after that last round of BS she’s all on about how she gets hundreds of calls from young lesbians to help them they don’t want to transition but their friends are saying this is what they have to do now. And then rounds of BULLSHIT!

Ok, mostly bullshit, plenty of butchs did transition when that started really being a known thing. Like, yeah, 40~ years ago there where trans* men living as butch lesbians who had the OH GODS the 70s! And trans* is a thing and want…I like the sound of that.

Forced? Oh fuck no? Anything remotely current? Nope. Reason I know that? Was reading about one such person earlier (the author of Stone Butch Blues)

And it ends with Brennan screaming something about how “they” stalk people in real life (seeing how she said it, we can assume she didn’t mean how she dox’s people). And then fade too lack with her screaming about how this is elitist crap. You know, I’ve heard that one before…from homeless // formerly homeless // sex worker // former sex worker trans* women — how debating some gender theory crap is useless while they sleep on the streets. Brennan’s a fucking lawyer, guess who I’m going with here?

A lawyer, calling something elitist crap, saying that academia is the problem.

I think my brain just broke.

Now to clean the hair off my bed, seeing as how I now have pecunium’s hair and that each I brushed off my head earlier and HOLY FUCK does it not take many strands of waist length hair to make a mess! (I am highly amused that he literally spun a piece of himself into the yarn…some combo of the artist and pagan in me finds this truly fitting)

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Gah. D’you think it’s worth listening to more of her shit, Argenti? 🙁

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Well, I just finished, so I’d say just skip to the 15 min mark, the first 15 are a combo of nothing understandable as people yell over each other, and the entirely predictable “no trans* women are not FEMALE” and “I am not cis! I. AM. NOT. CIS!!” (That clip is in the first link I gave, it’s NSFW but really short and Totally Worth It)

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Ha, I’d swear there’s a bit in The Once and Future King where the Wart says to Merlin “Did you know you’ve been knitting your beard into that for the last three rows?”

Kittehserf
8 years ago

I wasn’t thinking of listening to it myself, I was a bit worried for you listening to it.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Oh and on the topic of knitting* I got three gorgeous balls of yarn tonight – one angora cotton, moss coloured; one merino/alpaca/synthetic in mixed browns; and one in a deep rose pink, almost heading to burgundy or wine colour. I’ve started a beret in the last one with a deep brown brim. In that shade, it should be safe from predatory hat stealers!

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

You hope. I have my doubts that he cares about it being pink. Hell, wasn’t pink a boys color in his day? I know it was in the Victorian era, but idk before that.

And I’ve seen it before, it’s one of the few times Brennan isn’t in a position to be dangerous. Of course, being outnumbered is apparently an attack and assault, but yeah, she’s that one lone voice screaming in the dark. And like one of the other women says “take your second wave feminism…” — she can shove it. Her dox’ing people bothers me far more than her in a screaming match against people who are there by choice.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Missed Merlin! That’s hilarious. I’ve seen my hair into things before, it’s frightening easy if your hair is long enough and you’re working close to your body. Leaning over fabric to sew it? Thank the gods I don’t use a machine!

Kittehserf
8 years ago

“You hope. I have my doubts that he cares about it being pink. Hell, wasn’t pink a boys color in his day? I know it was in the Victorian era, but idk before that.”

Oh jeez, it was, too. Wedding portrait of William II of Orange

I haven’t managed to sew my hair into stuff accidentally, but I sure have got hair knitted into stuff. Fortunately it was hair already detached!

Sewing hair with a machine … OW. Reminds me of that wartime ad Veronica Lake did. Tuck that hair away!

Masculist Man
8 years ago

Female bigots. You work for them,Dave. Yes,NOW has endorsed what Lorena Bobbitt did by standing by her. I see clogia and pissandra don’t agree with me. That’s cool because I hate feminists and as long as they hate me I’m doing my job. Check these out,bitches: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminist-quotes.html

http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2011/10/feminist-quotes-2.html

Masculist Man
8 years ago

Feminazis,quit lying. You know you really love Brennan and stand by her. You’re just lying by playing damage control. And yes I laugh at you too because you and your movement are a joke,a dirty foul offensive joke but a joke nonetheless. You’re a joke,femen’s a joke. Speaking of femen I love how Putin had no problem locking up their worthless asses. I hope they rot in lockup for a long time. Speaking of jokes I glad pussy riot is locked up,they’re probably doing each other right now. I’ll bet every lesbian here (which is every female here) could join them. The only thing to get between you girls is a double headed dildo.

Briznecko
Briznecko
8 years ago

Oh MM, someone didn’t water down your juice box and now you’re all riled up. Go play with your basketball outside then it’ll be time to wind down for your afternoon nap.

Aaliyah
8 years ago

Feminazis,quit lying.

Quit being disingenuous rape apologist misogynistic assholes, MRAs.

You know you really love Brennan and stand by her. You’re just lying by playing damage control.

You aren’t going to find any fans of Brennan here, no matter how much you wish it were true. We don’t tolerate assholes like her.

And yes I laugh at you too because you and your movement are a joke,a dirty foul offensive joke but a joke nonetheless.

Your movement spits on anyone who isn’t cis, heterosexual, white, and male, and you’re calling our movement a joke?

Speaking of femen I love how Putin had no problem locking up their worthless asses. I hope they rot in lockup for a long time. Speaking of jokes I glad pussy riot is locked up,they’re probably doing each other right now. I’ll bet every lesbian here (which is every female here) could join them. The only thing to get between you girls is a double headed dildo.

=S That’s not creepy and gross at all.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

Masculist Man, what are you talking about? Nobody is denying that women can be violent criminals. I don’t know what you’re trying to prove by showing us a list of terrible women. I could make a list of terrible men, and you know what that would accomplish? Jack squat.

Female bigots. You work for them,Dave. Yes, NOW has endorsed what Lorena Bobbitt did by standing by her

I don’t believe that NOW endorsed Lorena Bobbit’s crime. I’m calling BS on that, unless you can prove it. And if it helps, I denounce her crime and any other heinous crime committed by a woman. Also, you remind me of Hal 9000 when you call him Dave, except Hal was much more likable.

Feminazis,quit lying. You know you really love Brennan and stand by her. You’re just lying by playing damage control.

Why engage with what the people here actually say, when all you have to do is make up what you want them to say or believe?

Oh sure, feminists claim they think Ace of Base was a mediocre band, but I know that deep inside, they think it was the greatest band of all time. Don’t deny it, you Ace of Base fans! I know your secret thoughts!

talacaris
talacaris
8 years ago

MM
Sscch, don’t speak too loud, the Illuminati will be looking for you, or maybe the gray aliens will find you first and you know what that entails..

Gametime
8 years ago

Check these out,bitches: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2010/02/feminist-quotes.html

http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2011/10/feminist-quotes-2.html

Oh hey, quotes from feminists, it’s a good thing no one factchecked these and revealed that they are pretty much all either taken out of context or entirely fabricated.

Wait, no, the opposite of that: http://manboobz.com/2011/02/15/factchecking-a-list-of-hateful-quotes-from-feminists/

Gametime
8 years ago

Also I love how Masculist Man is all “FEMINISTS PRETEND WOMEN NEVER DO HORRIBLE THINGS” and we’re all “uh no some women are terrible, we never denied that” and he’s all “NO BUT YOU TOTALLY DENY IT HERE’S A LIST OF UNSOURCED QUOTES FROM PEOPLE I KNOW YOU SECRETLY SUPPORT”

Flawless reasoning.

talacaris
talacaris
8 years ago

Ace of base

She’s going to get you

All that she wants is another baby
She’s gone tomorrow boy
All that she wants is another baby
All that she wants is another baby

So if you are in sight and the day is right
She’s the hunter you’re the fox
The gentle voice that talks to you won’t talk forever
It is a night for passion
But the morning means goodbye
Beware of what is flashing in her eyes
She’s going to get you”

See the spermjacking reference. Totes an MRM tune.

cloudiah
8 years ago

NOW didn’t “endorse” Bobbitt. They wanted the courts to acknowledge that her husband had raped and abused her, and take that into account, which they did. (The prosecution’s own expert witnesses acknowledged that her husband had raped and abused her. These facts are not in dispute.)

Here is the NOW statement:

Kim Gandy, executive vice president of the National Organization for Women, said today, “We’re glad the jury rejected the twisted argument that a battered woman should be locked up in a prison cell.”

NYT story with background and quote.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

Ha ha ha, I’ve heard that song a million times and never thought much about the lyrics. She is out to steal all the sperm and FINALLY GET THE BABY SHE DESERVES!

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

NOW didn’t “endorse” Bobbitt. They wanted the courts to acknowledge that her husband had raped and abused her, and take that into account, which they did. (The prosecution’s own expert witnesses acknowledged that her husband had raped and abused her. These facts are not in dispute.)

I can’t say I’m surprised that Masculist Man was disingenuous about this.

Nepenthe
Nepenthe
8 years ago

@Masculist Man

2.3/10

That’s shitty trolling right there son. “Clogia”? Pathetic.

@thebionicmommy

I’ve always interpreted “baby” as in “lover” or “quick lay”.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
8 years ago

@Nepenthe,

True. That’s probably the correct interpretation, but it’s still funny to imagine it as a sperm jacking theme song.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

I secretly like a woman who, at best, thinks I’m a delluded victim of the patriarchy? And more likely thinks I should die in a fire? The mind, it fucking boggles.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Awww, poor little MM is upset about something.

Hey Argenti, guess who pinched my cable cap again this morning ‘cos it keeps his ears warm? I said he could always make his own and he said “Why bother when I have this one?”

I called him a cat and he said “Thank you.” 😛

hellkell
hellkell
8 years ago

What the fuck is MM having a tantrum about?

I’m calling Pell.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

It is very Pellish, isn’t it? All those soiled nappies.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Oh dear, mum and dad let MM on the internet without adult supervision again. Seems like they need a lock on the liquor cabinet too.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Also those were the weakest attempts to turn nyms into insults ever. Unless cloudiah is Dutch, in which case I will give you a few small points for the footwear reference.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

I got the feeling they caught him looking at porn again.

cloudiah
8 years ago

Well Dutch and Danish are pretty much the same thing, right? Lots of blonde hair, blue eyes. Cheese.

pecunium
8 years ago

Oh, Masculist: You don’t get it. manboobz is the gauntlet. All you need to do is link to some moderate MRA.

So far no one has done it. The best they seem to have is AVfM: which advocates terrorism.

Masculist Man
8 years ago

You know maybe you feminists are right maybe we are bad people: http://mensrightsboard.blogspot.com/2013/05/evil-men-and-good-women.html

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Woman good man bad. Hi Owly.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

Failtroll needs to drop the V for Vendetta mask. Even the shitty movie was too good for him.

pecunium
8 years ago

More hit-trolling? Couldn’t they at least try for subtle at it.. make it look like a citation, or something?

Gametime
8 years ago

This guy is way too succinct for Owly and way too intent on advertising his shitty blog to be Pell. I think he’s genuinely new.

Kittehserf
8 years ago

Owly and Pell’s love-child? Or hate child, in their case?

Scary thought.

pecunium
8 years ago

He’s not quite new. He’s just got nothing original, and 1: never sticks around, 2: prefers dead threads to active ones.

Argenti Aertheri
8 years ago

Oh, I wasn’t trying to say he was Owly, just that we’ve heard it all before. And on that note, it’s time for today’s random Emilie Autumn moment!

http://youtu.be/u7ijQZ21DYk

emilygoddess
emilygoddess
8 years ago

I love how these guys are still harping on the Lorena Bobbitt case – literally 20 years old – to “prove” them women are just as violent as men, while anyone here could probably cite a dozen stories of male-on-female violence from this year alone.

My partner hangs out on a right-wing-watchdog blog, where they refer to the Magical Balance Fairy: when people try to use one example of a Democrat behaving badly to prove that both major parties are just as bad. I wonder if this is her twin sister at work: trying to use Zombie Solanas and Lorena Bobbitt to prove that the problem of male-on-female violence is overblown.

Briznecko
Briznecko
8 years ago

Apex Fallacy!