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Feminists! Give up your misandry, accept that women are inferior, and oh, this MRA rant gets worse. Much worse.

Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk's horrific rant
Whatever this kid is saying is guaranteed to be smarter and less offensive than Jacob Ian Stalk’s horrific rant

Cloudiah found this amazingly awful rant — from a prolific manosphere commenter and Spearhead supporter by the name of Jacob Ian Stalk — in the comments section to a piece on feminism in The Tab Oxford, a student paper. She posted it in the comments here on Man Boobz, where it’s already generated a good deal of discussion (see comments here, here, here, and here for starters). But I thought it deserved a post of its own.

So without further ado, I present Jacob Ian Stalk’s “12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists.”

Equality is equality. Feminism is about the unbridled pursuit of power for women. Got that?

Uh, no, actually, because it’s not true, but please continue.

The age of feminism is over, thankfully. The comments here that support feminism are from the rats that refuse to leave the sinking ship, thinking there’s sustenance still to be found there somewhere. Sorry to disappoint, but there is nothing nutritious left.

So the ship is sinking at the very moment it’s run out of food that rats can eat. That’s quite a coincidence! Or is it sinking because it ran out of food? Were the dudes on the ship using rat food to plug holes in the hull?

Men the world over are waking up to the damage wrought by rampant feminism and they’re shocked to realise it all happened while they were asleep. Well, they’re asleep no more. Bleat all you like about feminism being about this or that, but the truth of it’s evil is written all over the once noble institutions of the world and the wishful bleatings of solipsistic girl-children can’t erase it. It is done. The cailphate is establishing its power base once more and Sharia law is spreading.

Huh? Because of feminism? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

Feminists have destroyed the family and have eschewed child-bearing in favour of credentialism and the illusion of success, killing their unborn children and robbing men of their will to be fathers and husbands. The laugh is on you, Western feminists, as Western birth rates have at last fallen below their replenishment rate and the Muslims are laughing all the way to the maternity wards.

Oh, dear, you got some racism in your misogyny. Two terrible tastes that taste worse together!

The best you can hope for, Western women, is to abandon feminism entirely. Abandon that idiotic notion of ‘equality’, as it will never happen.  All it has earned you is the disrespect of men and an increasing number of women the world over. Feminism doesn’t make you strong. It doesn’t make you powerful. It doesn’t make you free. And it sure as hell doesn’t make you equal. It just makes you despicable.

Wait, weren’t you just complaining that feminism is about female supremacy? Now you’re admitting that it’s actually about equality – and you’re preaching male supremacy in its place?

Abandon feminism. Here’s a 12-step program for recovering feminists. There are others.

Ok, here we go.

1. Don’t be narcissistic. Never think you’re more important than men or children. Marketing departments delight in exploiting the feminist fallacy that you are. They promote ‘women’s only’ this and that, and women have bought into it. This appears sexist but it is really a marketing ploy that works because most women are narcissistic. Companies know they can charge more for goods and services by using the words ‘women only’. Narcissistic women are easily exploitable women. Be neither.

Huh. Isn’t the Men’s Rights Movement all about exploiting the narcissism of men who think they’re more important than women? (And children – at least in the case of the MRAs who whine endlessly about how unfair it is they can’t financially abandon their kids.)

2. Don’t let others make choices for you. This should be self-evident but for most of your life you’ve allowed yourself to be told what to wear, what to buy, what to eat, how to dress, where to go, how to think – in clubs, gyms, magazines, websites, books, stores and by TV talk show hosts. You’ve ‘needed’ a step-by-step guide through life, which you’ve followed with your sisters like sheep. Companies have exploited this need. Behave like a sheep if you must but obey the sheepdog, not the wolf. Better yet, be a woman who can think for herself.

… so long as “thinking for yourself” means “thinking you’re inferior to men and generally thinking the way men who hate women want you to.”

3. Get rid of the self-induced schizophrenia. Don’t insist you’re strong, confident, capable and independent one minute, then weak, frightened and vulnerable the next, especially when you’ve been caught doing something wrong. Don’t chop and change whenever it suits you – learn about who you are and be true. Admit when you’ve done something wrong. Don’t suddenly remember that you suffered abuse in the past or have some kind of mental illness or other instability, then use it to get yourself off. If you never sought help for these problems before you were caught, don’t use them as an excuse afterwards. Accept responsibility for yourself.

And for everything bad that men do as well, as manospherians repeatedly insist. If men are violent, it’s because women (allegedly) like dating violent men. If men brutalize the women in their life, it’s because the women provoke them. If a man arms himself with high-powered weapons and massacres children, his mom is to the real villain. For manospherians and MRAs generally, “responsiblity” means “a woman is always to blame.”

4. Don’t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Speak out against women routinely receiving shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. If the law punishes women as it does children, treat them like children and encourage others to do so too. Don’t call these women ‘victims’ and say “they’ve suffered enough” because they’re women. Believe in, and stand up for, equal justice on the basis of gender.

Women do tend to receive shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. But this isn’t the fault of feminism. Indeed, female judges are slightly more likely to give women harsher sentence than male judges, possibly reflecting paternalistic attitudes on the part of male judges.

5. Don’t believe everything women and feminised men in the media tell you. Many serve up slop by the bucket – celebrity gossip, slimming tips, sex tips, man-shaming tips, rape and abuse lies, etc. TV shows like Oprah and Dr Phil are filled with advice on how women can transform themselves into victims and blame everything on men, while constantly ridiculing them. Partake of more nutritious fare than this. Get your infotainment from equitable programs. Be aware of the cultural status quo from both perspectives.

I have no idea what Jacob here would consider an “equitable” program, but, really, no one of any gender should be getting life advice from Dr. Phil.

6. Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public. Don’t pretend that all women are your best friends when everyone knows nothing could be further from the truth. Openly acknowledge the reality that women despise each other unless there’s personal advantage in not doing so. Most good men can see through these attempts at deception, so lies won’t travel far. Don’t be a liar, especially not an obvious one.

I have no idea what the fuck he’s going on about here. “Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public??” Do women who hate each other march around Jacob’s neighborhood arm-in-arm, pretending to be BFFs and singing the Lady Internationale? (“Arise, you prisoners of menstruation …  .“)

7. Don’t seek equality with men. Masculinity and femininity are inherently different. They are neither equals nor opposites, but different parts of the sexual continuum that can’t be defined from each other. Actively separate masculinity from femininity, and separate both from the sexual politics that keep them in healthy tension. Don’t claim women can do anything men can do until you start producing your own sperm.

Um, what? Is Kate Bush not a brilliant musician because she doesn’t have balls? Is Joan Didion not a brilliant writer because she can’t jizz into a sock?

Not every sperm producer is sacred.

8. Don’t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Both sexes can be evil, both can be virtuous. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion and love are all as masculine as they are feminine. Don’t invaginate our boys by shaming or medicating the masculinity out of them before it matures and don’t impregnate them with the corrosive lie that being a woman is like being a man only better. Male sexuality is a pearl to be cultured. Suffuse your sons egos with promise if you want your daughters to have good men to love.

Uh, “invaginate?” Invaginate means to “be turned inside out or folded back on itself to form a cavity or pouch.” I’m pretty sure that teaching boys not to rape their dates does not in any way, literally or figuratively, turn them into a pouch.

9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. Men are judged much more harshly than women so they need their safe retreat. They don’t have the same opportunities for emotional support as women so they need a place where they can express themselves free of judgment and ridicule. This place must be respected. Take care if you venture there as your feminine narcissism is the enemy. Don’t draw attention to yourself and don’t expect protection if you do. If you must speak don’t attempt to control the dialogue or steer it towards you. Don’t censor language to suit your sensitivities. Male sanctuary is sacred – treat it as you would a cathedral.

Dudes, if you want to start your own little clubhouses where you can call women “cunts” in peace and quiet, go ahead and do it. Just don’t pretend they’re about anything more than misogyny. And if you put these allegedly sacred sanctuaries on the internet, don’t be surprised if some people take offence. Oh, and don’t claim that, say, video games, or STEM fields, or atheism, or whatever male-heavy thing you’re into, is a “male sanctuary” that need to be protected from evil girl germs.

Some male spaces can be totally awesome:

Others, not so awesome.

10. Don’t use shaming tactics. Don’t accuse men of having anger management issues when they’re angry at injustice. Don’t accuse them of being a threat when they call you out for being a bigot or a tyrant. Don’t accuse them of having a fear of commitment when they’re merely making a choice between bravery and stupidity. Don’t assess the merit of their arguments on the basis of their attractiveness to you. Don’t attribute their views about women to past disappointments when it is merely an objective assessment of your sex. Shaming tactics are remnants of childhood so leave them in the nursery if you want to be taken seriously.

I think this one just broke the irony meter. It’s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.

A word of warning here. The next paragraph is the worst one in the whole manifesto, and, honestly, one of the worst things I’ve run across in my more than two years of doing this blog. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia.

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11. Be honest about sexual harassment. If you assert that you have the right to dress as you please and that men should be able to control their sexuality, honour their right to be shielded from yours. If you don’t want men to control themselves but instead want to control their loss of control for your own enjoyment, be prepared for the consequences when things go awry. If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves. Don’t expect men to know when it’s right to ‘harass’ you and when it’s not. Don’t treat Man one minute as an exciting and courageous hero and the next a monster intent on tyranny and abuse if you’re inconsistent in your sexual intentions and desires.

Woah. Let’s take another look at that especially terrible comment in the middle of that mess:

If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves.

I’ve got no jokes for this one. You honestly think that RAPE can be “the foundation of a passionate new romance?” What the fuck is wrong with you?

12. Speak out against misandry. The main reason for its proliferation is that women have remained silent. Silence in the face of injustice is cowardly. It has allowed loud, obnoxious women to preach hatred with impunity, which has reflected badly on all women. When you speak out against misandry you do all women a favour. Don’t be a misandrist, don’t be a coward and don’t be silent.

At this point, I really don’t think I need to bother to point out the hypocrisy here.

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Dvärghundspossen
11 years ago

@Katz: I think the widespread idea is that both sexes need time away from a heterosexual partner where they can hang out with friends of the same gender because MEN ARE FROM MARS AND WOMEN FROM VENUS AND CAN NEVER TRULY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. Makes me wanna puke.

Dragon Slayer
Dragon Slayer
11 years ago

Evolution hasn’t programmed women to reciprocate affection. From a reproductive standpoint, they exist to gobble as much hot sour cream as possible and then propagate the species with the best DNA they can wrangle. Men, on the other hand, are programmed for targeted monogamous affection, the better to protect the female who chooses him as her sperm donor. In modern society, this dynamic has changed, as women don’t just require elite semen, but also financial security, which more often than not can be better provided by a biologically inferior male, to whom she transfers access to her love tube sometime in her early thirties.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

I preferred the Just So stories by Kipling, they contained more imagination that the just so stories associated with evo psych and pop evo psych.

Kiwi girl
Kiwi girl
11 years ago

@cloudiah, cthulhu for another anatomical part: http://www.etsy.com/listing/111166008/pattern-cthulhu-cocksock-willy-warmer

Hey, it’s hand-crafted. 🙂

Some Gal Not Bored at All
Some Gal Not Bored at All
11 years ago

In modern society, this dynamic has changed, as women don’t just require elite semen, but also financial security, which more often than not can be better provided by a biologically inferior male, to whom she transfers access to her love tube sometime in her early thirties.

Shows how much he knows. I’ve transferred access to my love tube multiple times and I won’t be 30 until this summer.

(I may have just thrown up a little.)

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
11 years ago

Maybe Flagon Slayer is just a really, really drunk David Attenborough.

Some Gal Not Bored at All
Some Gal Not Bored at All
11 years ago

I am actually a little happy that Dragon Slayer’s evopsych nonsense contradicts the vast majority of evopsych nonsense with its strange fixation on how oxytocin makes women fall instantly in love as soon as they orgasm. I’m also a little amused and a lot sickened. So…that all feels interesting.

lowquacks
lowquacks
11 years ago

strange fixation on how oxytocin makes women fall instantly in love as soon as they orgasm.

I associate that more with Christian Purity movement stuff/abstinence education than the MRA-style evopsych, which seems to be very keen on the “women will hypergamously fuck alphas and use betas as servants, thus betraying both” model.

I imagine there’s a level of overlap between the two movements, of course.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Love tube? Seriously?

cloudiah
11 years ago

Hot sour cream?

Etsy rocks.

cloudiah
11 years ago

Dragon Slayer, just say that you think men rock and women suck. It is clearly what you believe. Honesty, dude.

Yoyo
Yoyo
11 years ago

Whoo elite demon semen! Sounds like a heavy metal band that never made it outside of the Swedish Forrest .

Ps little draggy I’ve been supporting my husband and now kids since I was 17, what’s more I’m happy to do so, my clam must be purely decorative. :-p

amavra
11 years ago

DS – How many euphemisms for vulva/ vagina do you have there? I am sure you can be more creative than that. Really go for the gold next time.

Yoyo
Yoyo
11 years ago

Hey cloudiah, you and tulgy are welcome to use my chest cavity for crunchy nibbles, that way we can enjoy the components from your vagina, tulgys vas deferens while we laugh at the movies from our own personal vag Chanel .
How good is that, and no ads too.
How I’d it go again from the previous thread? And that’s the truth?

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I love Flagon Slain’s notion that cleavage is something that only came about with feminism. You’d never think breasts have been fetishised for centuries by men in Western culture.

portrait of a young woman, by Cranach

Mary, Duchess of Buckingham, by Wright

Princess Pauline Borghese

Queen Alexandra

And those are just from more recent centuries.

Oh, and the “women can’t love” bit? I think I hear my husband laughing in the background. Flagon Slain, you’re projecting again. Has it occurred to you that someone as full of bile and hatred for women as you are is hardly going to be loved by any woman? Why would any woman waste her time trying to get close to you and show any affection? You’ve already decided we’re terrible gold-digging monsters. And really … we don’t need your type of man around. There’s a whole world of lovable men out there. You not being one of them is your problem, not ours.

Some Gal Not Bored at All
Some Gal Not Bored at All
11 years ago

@lowquacks

Yeah, it is definitely Christian purity stuff, but I think we’ve had MRAs spouting it featured here. It is tied into all of the women want love, men want sex stuff that a lot of the non-PUAs seem to still believe. I think elthat most of the guys would say that women fall in love with alphas and want to have sex with them, but marry betas.

The oxytocin thing gets way more play in mainstream misogyny than the hypergamy theories imo. It is one of the new ways that men and women are different and that still gets a lot of attention in places that really should know better. (I HATE the oxytocin theory because it is just a shiny new version of “women are controlled by hormones and men are not” thinking. The old versions were bad enough without new “science” to bolster them. smh)

eli
eli
11 years ago

Yoyo,

And that’s real!

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What is love? If it is faithfully severing your partner,

Pear_tree – best. Freudian. typo. evah. 😉

eli
eli
11 years ago

Kitteh’s,

I noticed that one earlier. I was afraid of drawing people who would rant about the wife of a has-been rock star and something that happened on a vapid talk show.

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I couldn’t resist the temptation … and if those sort of idiot trolls do turn up, well, all the more chew toys!

::laughs evilly::

katz
11 years ago

I think the widespread idea is that both sexes need time away from a heterosexual partner where they can hang out with friends of the same gender because MEN ARE FROM MARS AND WOMEN FROM VENUS AND CAN NEVER TRULY UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER. Makes me wanna puke.

Yes, there’s that whole idea that women’s and men’s interests are incompatibly different, so women need to get together to do macrame and talk about babies and men need to get together to fix engines and talk about politics, but there’s another layer to lil’ draggy’s comment.

Because the “men are from Mars, women are from Venus” idea only implies that men and women are incomprehensibly different; if their secret conversations were leaked to each other, they’d be expected to be boring and/or incomprehensible to the other sex, but not necessarily offensive or antagonistic.

But draggy’s feeling that of course women will be horrified if they see MRA talk taken out of its sacred man-grounds, and that doing so constitutes a betrayal, indicates that he just thinks women and men flat-out hate each other and need time alone so they can say so.

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But draggy’s feeling that of course women will be horrified if they see MRA talk taken out of its sacred man-grounds, and that doing so constitutes a betrayal, indicates that he just thinks women and men flat-out hate each other and need time alone so they can say so.

The mistake what-a-drag is making, of course, is that he’s thinking MRAs represent men as a whole. We know MRAs talk hateful shit about women because they do it in public (even if dragging-his-arse doesn’t grasp that the internet is public). Nobody would expect them to behave any differently in their Sacred Man Caves, because their constipation movement is solely about hating women.

But men … well, all men =/= MRAs. So yeah, Draggin’ Butt fails again.

eli
eli
11 years ago

But draggy’s feeling that of course women will be horrified if they see MRA talk taken out of its sacred man-grounds, and that doing so constitutes a betrayal, indicates that he just thinks women and men flat-out hate each other and need time alone so they can say so.

Actually, I’m thinking the women probably aren’t allowed to do so.

Shaenon
11 years ago

Did someone just discover the “bromance” genre? It’s a heady thing, I know, but keep your pants on. :p

I’m editing one of those manga right now! (Which is why I’m on Manboobz so much: well-deserved rewrite breaks.)

Tulgey Logger
Tulgey Logger
11 years ago

Donkey Brayer just doesn’t seem to understand the difference between himself, the MRM, and the rest of mannity. Some of us in that last group even like women and think they are human beings. 5 men may sometimes go with 5 women 4 bear. And that’s real.

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