Cloudiah found this amazingly awful rant — from a prolific manosphere commenter and Spearhead supporter by the name of Jacob Ian Stalk — in the comments section to a piece on feminism in The Tab Oxford, a student paper. She posted it in the comments here on Man Boobz, where it’s already generated a good deal of discussion (see comments here, here, here, and here for starters). But I thought it deserved a post of its own.
So without further ado, I present Jacob Ian Stalk’s “12-Step Program for Recovering Feminists.”
Equality is equality. Feminism is about the unbridled pursuit of power for women. Got that?
Uh, no, actually, because it’s not true, but please continue.
The age of feminism is over, thankfully. The comments here that support feminism are from the rats that refuse to leave the sinking ship, thinking there’s sustenance still to be found there somewhere. Sorry to disappoint, but there is nothing nutritious left.
So the ship is sinking at the very moment it’s run out of food that rats can eat. That’s quite a coincidence! Or is it sinking because it ran out of food? Were the dudes on the ship using rat food to plug holes in the hull?
Men the world over are waking up to the damage wrought by rampant feminism and they’re shocked to realise it all happened while they were asleep. Well, they’re asleep no more. Bleat all you like about feminism being about this or that, but the truth of it’s evil is written all over the once noble institutions of the world and the wishful bleatings of solipsistic girl-children can’t erase it. It is done. The cailphate is establishing its power base once more and Sharia law is spreading.
Huh? Because of feminism? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
Feminists have destroyed the family and have eschewed child-bearing in favour of credentialism and the illusion of success, killing their unborn children and robbing men of their will to be fathers and husbands. The laugh is on you, Western feminists, as Western birth rates have at last fallen below their replenishment rate and the Muslims are laughing all the way to the maternity wards.
Oh, dear, you got some racism in your misogyny. Two terrible tastes that taste worse together!
The best you can hope for, Western women, is to abandon feminism entirely. Abandon that idiotic notion of ‘equality’, as it will never happen. All it has earned you is the disrespect of men and an increasing number of women the world over. Feminism doesn’t make you strong. It doesn’t make you powerful. It doesn’t make you free. And it sure as hell doesn’t make you equal. It just makes you despicable.
Wait, weren’t you just complaining that feminism is about female supremacy? Now you’re admitting that it’s actually about equality – and you’re preaching male supremacy in its place?
Abandon feminism. Here’s a 12-step program for recovering feminists. There are others.
Ok, here we go.
1. Don’t be narcissistic. Never think you’re more important than men or children. Marketing departments delight in exploiting the feminist fallacy that you are. They promote ‘women’s only’ this and that, and women have bought into it. This appears sexist but it is really a marketing ploy that works because most women are narcissistic. Companies know they can charge more for goods and services by using the words ‘women only’. Narcissistic women are easily exploitable women. Be neither.
Huh. Isn’t the Men’s Rights Movement all about exploiting the narcissism of men who think they’re more important than women? (And children – at least in the case of the MRAs who whine endlessly about how unfair it is they can’t financially abandon their kids.)
2. Don’t let others make choices for you. This should be self-evident but for most of your life you’ve allowed yourself to be told what to wear, what to buy, what to eat, how to dress, where to go, how to think – in clubs, gyms, magazines, websites, books, stores and by TV talk show hosts. You’ve ‘needed’ a step-by-step guide through life, which you’ve followed with your sisters like sheep. Companies have exploited this need. Behave like a sheep if you must but obey the sheepdog, not the wolf. Better yet, be a woman who can think for herself.
… so long as “thinking for yourself” means “thinking you’re inferior to men and generally thinking the way men who hate women want you to.”
3. Get rid of the self-induced schizophrenia. Don’t insist you’re strong, confident, capable and independent one minute, then weak, frightened and vulnerable the next, especially when you’ve been caught doing something wrong. Don’t chop and change whenever it suits you – learn about who you are and be true. Admit when you’ve done something wrong. Don’t suddenly remember that you suffered abuse in the past or have some kind of mental illness or other instability, then use it to get yourself off. If you never sought help for these problems before you were caught, don’t use them as an excuse afterwards. Accept responsibility for yourself.
And for everything bad that men do as well, as manospherians repeatedly insist. If men are violent, it’s because women (allegedly) like dating violent men. If men brutalize the women in their life, it’s because the women provoke them. If a man arms himself with high-powered weapons and massacres children, his mom is to the real villain. For manospherians and MRAs generally, “responsiblity” means “a woman is always to blame.”
4. Don’t let the law take responsibility for crimes women commit. Speak out against women routinely receiving shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. If the law punishes women as it does children, treat them like children and encourage others to do so too. Don’t call these women ‘victims’ and say “they’ve suffered enough” because they’re women. Believe in, and stand up for, equal justice on the basis of gender.
Women do tend to receive shorter sentences than men for the same crimes. But this isn’t the fault of feminism. Indeed, female judges are slightly more likely to give women harsher sentence than male judges, possibly reflecting paternalistic attitudes on the part of male judges.
5. Don’t believe everything women and feminised men in the media tell you. Many serve up slop by the bucket – celebrity gossip, slimming tips, sex tips, man-shaming tips, rape and abuse lies, etc. TV shows like Oprah and Dr Phil are filled with advice on how women can transform themselves into victims and blame everything on men, while constantly ridiculing them. Partake of more nutritious fare than this. Get your infotainment from equitable programs. Be aware of the cultural status quo from both perspectives.
I have no idea what Jacob here would consider an “equitable” program, but, really, no one of any gender should be getting life advice from Dr. Phil.
6. Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public. Don’t pretend that all women are your best friends when everyone knows nothing could be further from the truth. Openly acknowledge the reality that women despise each other unless there’s personal advantage in not doing so. Most good men can see through these attempts at deception, so lies won’t travel far. Don’t be a liar, especially not an obvious one.
I have no idea what the fuck he’s going on about here. “Don’t fake solidarity with other women, especially in public??” Do women who hate each other march around Jacob’s neighborhood arm-in-arm, pretending to be BFFs and singing the Lady Internationale? (“Arise, you prisoners of menstruation … .“)
7. Don’t seek equality with men. Masculinity and femininity are inherently different. They are neither equals nor opposites, but different parts of the sexual continuum that can’t be defined from each other. Actively separate masculinity from femininity, and separate both from the sexual politics that keep them in healthy tension. Don’t claim women can do anything men can do until you start producing your own sperm.
Um, what? Is Kate Bush not a brilliant musician because she doesn’t have balls? Is Joan Didion not a brilliant writer because she can’t jizz into a sock?
Not every sperm producer is sacred.
8. Don’t demonize male sexuality or the male sex. Both sexes can be evil, both can be virtuous. Empathy, wisdom, grace, mercy, compassion and love are all as masculine as they are feminine. Don’t invaginate our boys by shaming or medicating the masculinity out of them before it matures and don’t impregnate them with the corrosive lie that being a woman is like being a man only better. Male sexuality is a pearl to be cultured. Suffuse your sons egos with promise if you want your daughters to have good men to love.
Uh, “invaginate?” Invaginate means to “be turned inside out or folded back on itself to form a cavity or pouch.” I’m pretty sure that teaching boys not to rape their dates does not in any way, literally or figuratively, turn them into a pouch.
9. Respect the sanctuaries of men. Men are judged much more harshly than women so they need their safe retreat. They don’t have the same opportunities for emotional support as women so they need a place where they can express themselves free of judgment and ridicule. This place must be respected. Take care if you venture there as your feminine narcissism is the enemy. Don’t draw attention to yourself and don’t expect protection if you do. If you must speak don’t attempt to control the dialogue or steer it towards you. Don’t censor language to suit your sensitivities. Male sanctuary is sacred – treat it as you would a cathedral.
Dudes, if you want to start your own little clubhouses where you can call women “cunts” in peace and quiet, go ahead and do it. Just don’t pretend they’re about anything more than misogyny. And if you put these allegedly sacred sanctuaries on the internet, don’t be surprised if some people take offence. Oh, and don’t claim that, say, video games, or STEM fields, or atheism, or whatever male-heavy thing you’re into, is a “male sanctuary” that need to be protected from evil girl germs.
Some male spaces can be totally awesome:
Others, not so awesome.
10. Don’t use shaming tactics. Don’t accuse men of having anger management issues when they’re angry at injustice. Don’t accuse them of being a threat when they call you out for being a bigot or a tyrant. Don’t accuse them of having a fear of commitment when they’re merely making a choice between bravery and stupidity. Don’t assess the merit of their arguments on the basis of their attractiveness to you. Don’t attribute their views about women to past disappointments when it is merely an objective assessment of your sex. Shaming tactics are remnants of childhood so leave them in the nursery if you want to be taken seriously.
I think this one just broke the irony meter. It’s not like manosphere dudes ever use shaming language aimed at anyone.
A word of warning here. The next paragraph is the worst one in the whole manifesto, and, honestly, one of the worst things I’ve run across in my more than two years of doing this blog. TRIGGER WARNING for rape apologia.
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11. Be honest about sexual harassment. If you assert that you have the right to dress as you please and that men should be able to control their sexuality, honour their right to be shielded from yours. If you don’t want men to control themselves but instead want to control their loss of control for your own enjoyment, be prepared for the consequences when things go awry. If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves. Don’t expect men to know when it’s right to ‘harass’ you and when it’s not. Don’t treat Man one minute as an exciting and courageous hero and the next a monster intent on tyranny and abuse if you’re inconsistent in your sexual intentions and desires.
Woah. Let’s take another look at that especially terrible comment in the middle of that mess:
If ‘harassment’ – the stares, sexual innuendos, sly touches, and even rape – magically cease to be harassment and become the foundations of a passionate new romance occasionally, admit that you don’t really want men to control themselves.
I’ve got no jokes for this one. You honestly think that RAPE can be “the foundation of a passionate new romance?” What the fuck is wrong with you?
12. Speak out against misandry. The main reason for its proliferation is that women have remained silent. Silence in the face of injustice is cowardly. It has allowed loud, obnoxious women to preach hatred with impunity, which has reflected badly on all women. When you speak out against misandry you do all women a favour. Don’t be a misandrist, don’t be a coward and don’t be silent.
At this point, I really don’t think I need to bother to point out the hypocrisy here.
Oops. I didn’t realize this was posted as a comment on a non-MRA site. But it doesn’t matter. From a practical standpoint, you’d be best served to take the advice even if you don’t like it. The feminist movement is doomed not because of us MRAs, but because of women. These days most women spend their youth with mouths agape, babbling on their cell phones and strutting around in public with the fatty sacks on their chests manipulated in such a way to attract a man’s attention. That’s literally all they do. Then once they get older they start looking to mortgage their pink clam off for private use in exchange for food and shelter. After that, they could give a shit about the rest of the world. So for your own sanity, I’d recommend you all just drop this feminism project.
Also, seriously guys, I have a journal for personal word vomit. A real honest-to-god $5 paper journal that sits in my bookshelf by my bed.
Slayer acts like we stole this guy’s paper journal out from his bedside and posted excerpts for all to see… not fucking PUBLIC SHIT ON A PUBLIC SITE.
Aw, Dragon Slayer’s mad because the women pay him no mind, they just blithley go through life ignoring him. Let’s keep that up.
Ignoring that feminism saved (saves actually) the last vestiges of my sanity…pink clam — yeah I’d time share that, reefs are well beyond my skill level (note, that’s an actual, beautiful, clam)
The flash washes her out too much. I think I need to get her in good natural light so that you can see her stripes. I’ve tried most of the camera settings, but she always comes out just looking like a solid black cat.
Slayer, you loathing and fearing women’s bodies doesn’t actually have anything to do with feminism. If breasts and vulvas fill you with such abhorrence (imagined from afar, since you seem to have little concept of what they’re actually like), it wouldn’t make any difference what women’s status and rights were, you’d still be frothing at the mouth about it. Men with this weird sort of hate fixation aren’t exactly a recent phenomenon.
DS, wrong thread. The straw feminism thread is over here.
cloudiah – maybe it’s her true allegiance to BASEMENT CAT coming out. As we all know, the camera never lies!!!
Young Woman’s Literal Day Planner for 2013:
January 1:
1. Wake up.
2. Set your mouth agape. Leave open. (Close occasionally to prevent drymouth.)
3. Make sure the fatty sacks on your chest are highly visible.
4. Get your cell phone and start babbling at it. Don’t bother calling anybody. (Be sure not to close your mouth while babbling.)
5. Start strutting.
6. Fall asleep when you get tired.
7. Repeat 364 times.
8. ???
9. Pink Clam Mortgage!
It is true, I love to manipulate my fatty chest sacs to gain male attention. How am I doing?
Cloudiah, I thought your photos were excellent.(Also, kitties! Squee!) I can see her detail fine. But yeah, your best bet is natural light. The other thing you might try is to edit the photo by turning up both the brightness and contrast. That makes nearly any photo look better. Although the second one looks like you might have done that? I’m not a Photoshop expert at all, for what it’s worth.
RE: Dragon Slayer
Oops. I didn’t realize this was posted as a comment on a non-MRA site.
You’re very observant.
But it doesn’t matter.
Yes it does. It relegates your argument invalid.
From a practical standpoint, you’d be best served to take the advice even if you don’t like it.
From a practical standpoint, you’d be best served to shut your condescending yap.
The feminist movement is doomed not because of us MRAs,
I’m glad you recognize your importance in the scheme of things.
but because of women.
Yes, women! That KFC-eating, cackling, not-attractive-to-you plague upon the planet! FIE UPON THEM!
These days most women spend their youth with mouths agape, babbling on their cell phones and strutting around in public
My god, y’all. Not only do they have the gall to laugh, eat chicken, and not be attractive to you, they do it WITH THEIR MOUTHS OPEN. They even TALK UPON THEIR PHONES. And they have the indecency to do all of this in PUBLIC!
Someone should really make a law or something.
with the fatty sacks on their chests
You drink from your mother with that mouth? Those fatty sacks gave you LIFE, child.
manipulated in such a way to attract a man’s attention.
Wait, wait, I thought you were bitching about how ugly women were? MAKE UP YOUR MIIIIIND.
That’s literally all they do.
No, actually breasts have nourished billions of children. But you’ve already proved you’re about as bright as the earth’s core.
Then once they get older
No! Not IN PUBLIC! Where’s my male sexuality, I need some pearls to clutch…
they start looking to mortgage their pink clam
You really, really, REALLY don’t know what a vulva looks like, do you?
off for private use in exchange for food and shelter.
No sir, I’m afraid that sex work is still illegal in many countries. Also, fuck, food and shelter comes from BURGER-FLIPPING. My body parts are worth WAY more than that.
After that, they could give a shit about the rest of the world.
It’s true. No feminist has ever supported any other cause, such as birth control, abolitionism, labor rights, or Prohibition. No sir, we be completely selfish. You got us all pegged.
So for your own sanity, I’d recommend you all just drop this feminism project.
To paraphase Cliff: “That’s a nice movement you got there. Be a shame if something were to happen to it…”
Oh dragon baby. I promise to take my fun bag and use it to advance the cause of looser males – not! Sorry sweet the majority of males and females love the increasing equality of both. If you we’re a little less total fail one day a man or a woman might care for you a little.
Ah shit, I’m starting to rival Pecunium for loquaciousness.
Shorter Dragon Slayer: “You revolting pink-clam fatty-sack-chested women should take my advice. I’m telling you this because I care for your sanity, it’s for your own good.”
you’ve already proved you’re about as bright as the earth’s core.
Why thank you.
Go LBT. Get mouthy with the troll. Potty he’s such poor sport.
I love it when LBT fisks the trolls.
Sometimes I combine my fatty chest sac manipulating with my phone babbling. Efficiency!
Oh draggy draggy draggy. If you don’t like the females stick with males, or dirt or fish, I promise our cash box clams won’t even notice. It must be hard to be both behind the times and intellectually challenged.
So I was trying hard to find a Cthulhu bra, but it appears that no one has made one yet.
Why?
Everyone’s kitties are so cute! (My kitty is sleeping on a towel we used to wipe up all the snow that managed to make it through the hallway, up the stairs, and into our apartment. She’s kinda gross.)
RE: Dragonslayer
Why thank you.
You are sincerely welcome.
RE: Argenti
Damn, I wish MY clam was that fucking decorative. Mine can’t even get Christian radio properly!
In my youth, I did not have a cell phone. In fact, I didn’t get one until I was nearly 30.
Oh and what did I do in my “youth” (by which I’m going to make a very generous assumption that Dragon Troll doesn’t mean when I was in high school but after I became a legal adult). I graduated summa cum laude from a very highly respected private college where I was awarded a prize in my department that was only given when the entire faculty voted unanimously it was deserved. Then I earned my MS from another highly respected R1 university. I worked in publishing, video production and new media. Oh and then I went back and got my doctorate and became a college professor.
All without the help of a man, btw.
Fun fact: the institution where I earned that BA? Didn’t admit women until after I was born. They were forced to open their doors to everyone. By feminists. Without the feminist movement, I wouldn’t have been able to attend that school.
Oh and on behalf of all the young women I taught over the last 10 years, go fuck yourself. Those young women were amazing. They had ambition and drive and a fucking amazing work ethic. They were intelligent and thoughtful and cared deeply about each other and the world. And not one of them had any ambition of “mortgaging” their bodies off, all of them wanted careers, including the highly successful young woman who married her college sweetheart while working as an assistant manager at a company. They were the ones worrying about how to get a job in a cratered economy, not the guys, who came to every seminar and workshop they could, who networked like crazy because they knew how hard it was going to be. To suggest that they did nothing with their lives but wait for some raging asshole like you to save them is not only insulting, it’s laughable.
If you we’re a little less total fail one day a man or a woman might care for you a little.
I’m of the opinion that women aren’t really capable of love. I mean sure, they’ll barter access to various body parts- temporary bodyguard for butt action, manservant for intercourse, and such- but that’s not really “love” in the way it has been traditionally defined, by men. I suppose the only pure expression of “love” is that found between two men.
Re: Dragon Slayer
I’m of the opinion that women aren’t really capable of love.
I’m of the opinion that you are full of shit. But then again, I have a sister.
I mean sure, they’ll barter access to various body parts
It’s true. For twenty bucks, she gives me access to her spleen every other Thursday. In exchange, I give her access to my liver on Sundays.
– temporary bodyguard for butt action,
Ah, there’s that wonderful turn of phrase I know you so well for.
manservant for intercourse, and such-
Damn, you mean I could be FUCKING my sister, all this time? I feel so cheated.
but that’s not really “love” in the way it has been traditionally defined, by men. I suppose the only pure expression of “love” is that found between two men.
Dude, please don’t join me on the gay side of the fence. I don’t want you and your woman-hating as.
…wait a minute. WHAT THE HELL ARE LESBIANS SUPPOSED TO BE?